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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/24/2006 2:37:22 PM   
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The Vickers Mark VI tank (slot 481) seems to be defined as an aircraft gun.

Noticed that when assigning pilots to the multiple WC squadrons starting the game with no pilots, the pilots a) weren't drawn from the pool b) appeared in alphabetical order and c) generally had a very high xp level, averaging in the mid 70's. Bug?

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/24/2006 7:51:10 PM   
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One imagins all sorts of hilarity at roll-call




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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/25/2006 12:37:43 AM   
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Band of real brothers? :P

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/25/2006 7:22:14 AM   
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I have this too, and one unit is all CDRs! Where did you get the art? I like it alot.

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/25/2006 1:11:11 PM   
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I think Subchaser made it (go figure) for UV. He did a number of alternative drop screens at some point. They're available at Spooky's - except this one as far as I can tell. You're welcome to it of course. I'll need to know where to send it though

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/27/2006 7:46:48 PM   
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Device slot 360 CW Rifle Squad upgrades to 356 Indian Light Squad. Same in stock. Just wondering...

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/27/2006 8:22:14 PM   
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Andrew said that one is on his fix list.

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/28/2006 1:13:11 AM   
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Andrew said that one is on his fix list.


Yes. it is fixed.

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 2/28/2006 4:39:01 AM   
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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/2/2006 11:40:29 PM   
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Broken Hill Proprietary


The Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited's ("BHP") ownership of shipping commenced late in 1917, following several years of chartering and nominee-participation. Success of the mining origins, in the west of New South Wales during the mid-1880s - the Company was incorporated in Melbourne in August 1885 - and the Port Pirie smelting operations and Newcastle coal linkages established by the turn of the century all contributed to the perceived shipping need and it was a natural progression.

Chartering and ownership of variously-named ships preceded the 1920 commencement in service (under fresh names) of the first of BHP's "Iron-named" ships, Iron Baron and Iron Prince, though Interstate Steamships Limited's Iron Monarch had been serving BHP from slightly earlier. The period to the late 1930s included difficult economic times for the nation and during that stage Australian Iron & Steel Limited became a BHP subsidiary.

As the Second World War opened, the Company had eight ships in service , while two "new-builds" joined these as the war progressed:-

Ship Built Gross Tons In Service
Iron Knob 1922 3349 1923-1955
Iron Master 1921 3351 1923-1957
Iron Prince 1923 3352 1923-1956
Iron Warrior 1923 3345 1925-1957
Iron Baron 1936 4584 1936-1966
Iron King 1936 4584 1936-1967
Iron Knight 1937 4812 1937-1943
Iron Chieftain 1937 4812 1937-1942
Iron Monarch 1943 4816 1943-1972
Iron Duke 1943 4818 1943-1970

From early in the war, the ships were strengthened to various levels, to bear gun platforms, to carry naval ("D.E.M.S.") gunners, to have anti-mine paravane booms fitted to the bows and to carry extra rafts and emergency supply and rescue equipment. Lives were saved later as a result and further defensive improvements occurred as the war progressed.

Two BHP ships were lost to enemy action, both "close to home". Iron Chieftain, en route Newcastle-Whyalla at night on 3 June 1942, was torpedoed and sunk east of Sydney by Japanese submarine I.24. Her Master and Chief Engineer were among the twelve crew lost. The thirty-seven survivors were rescued from a raft by HMAS Bingera and from a lifeboat washed onto The Entrance beach. Early February 1943 found a ten-merchant ship escorted convoy (OC 8) en route Melbourne-Newcastle, with Iron Knight, fully laden with iron ore, the leading vessel. Off Eden on 7 February, she fell victim to Japanese submarine I.21. Torpedoed and sinking immediately, the crew loss totalled thirty-six, including the Master. Fourteen survivors were taken, from a raft, to Sydney.

The company Interstate Steamships Pty. Limited had worked in close association with BHP for many years. At 1941 it owned two ships: Iron Crown (built 1922, 3353 gt, in service 1923-1942) and Echunga (built 1922, 3362gt, in service 1925-1957). BHP's important wartime activities were indirectly impacted by the loss, laden with iron ore, of Iron Crown on 4 June 1942. Torpedoed by Japanese submarine I.27 off Cape Howe, Victoria, she went down, with thirty eight of her forty two crew lost.

There were other shipping losses which, while not of their own vessels, impacted directly on BHP's specialist maritime operations: on 12 June 1942, off Sydney, the Panamian ship Guatemala, bound from Newcastle to Whyalla carrying coke and on 11 April 1943, off Lord Howe Island, the Yugoslav Recina bound Whyalla-Newcastle carrying ironstone. Both torpedoed, they were among a number of ships made available to Australia by the British Ministry of War Transport, as a result of greater access to charterings following the 1941 Mediterranean campaigns.

Through the improving counter-offensive years of the war, BHP's fleet, though not always without industrial difficulties, sustained its service to the nation's major heavy industries sector, Australia's platform for post-war re-building and the Company's threshold for its new era's ships.



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Don Bowen - 3/3/2006 12:54:47 AM   
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Don. Have you seen this site yet?

http://usmm.org

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/3/2006 12:59:08 AM   
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Thought perhaps these vessels might be included.


Ron,

I haven't been doing anything with new ship classes, except when I have followed Don's lead from his own work.

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/3/2006 4:27:55 AM   
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Thought perhaps these vessels might be included.


Ron,

I haven't been doing anything with new ship classes, except when I have followed Don's lead from his own work.

Andrew


I think Don just missed these. They are aussie coastal ore carriers so would not really venture offmap. Maybe because of this they are assumed to be helping move resources abstractly during the resource phase.


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Base Ship Repair (class 486) - 3/8/2006 11:56:49 PM   
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Base Ship Repair (class 486) - all armament (1x76 1x20 1x20 1xMG 1xMG 1xMG 1xMG) pointed forward

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/9/2006 12:49:03 AM   
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Thought perhaps these vessels might be included.


Ron,

I haven't been doing anything with new ship classes, except when I have followed Don's lead from his own work.

Andrew


I think Don just missed these. They are aussie coastal ore carriers so would not really venture offmap. Maybe because of this they are assumed to be helping move resources abstractly during the resource phase.



Actually I specifically skipped all bulk carriers. In addition to these ships there were a number of U.S. and Canadian vessels along the west coast. These were special purpose ships that carried only ore in bulk or else timber and did not carry general supplies. It would have been nice to be able to specify a ship that can carry raw resources but not finished goods but that just is not available. Besides, there is no shortage of AKs.

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/11/2006 11:10:09 AM   
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class LPD Belle Grove (class 361) [shouldnt be Ashland?] - look at 40mm Bofors: 4xF 4xF 4xRS 4xRS
- wrong facing OR to many guns (since my sources list them as having only 12x40mm)

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 3/18/2006 10:59:38 PM   
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Class 428: Australian AMC - wrong facing of 152mm guns: 1xF 2xRS 2xLS 1xC 1xF (one of ships of this class should be named Kanimbla not Kanimba)
Class 1386: Australian LSI - look at Vickers machine-guns, not symetrical: 2xLS 2xR

Ship Centarus (AKA Andromeda class) should be named Centaurus

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Aircraft weaponry - 3/25/2006 1:12:53 PM   
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Some minor errors in the CHS database relating to weapons on CW aircraft (mainly carried over from the stock OOB):
Lysander - should be 2 x .303 Browning F and 1 or 2 x .303 Vickers K TR

Wirraway - rear armament should be 1 x .303 Vickers K TR

Albacore - rear armament should be 1 or 2 x .303 Vickers K TR, no BR mount, but should have ASV surface surveillance radar.

Empire - leaving aside the issue of whether any more than two Empires were armed, I have never heard of any aircraft sporting a quadruple Lewis mount. The only quadruple mounts in RAF service were turrets for four Brownings. Given the weight and complexity of a Boulton Paul quadruple turret, I would think it highly unlikely anyone would have even thought of trying to shoehorn one onto an Empire. Delighted to be proved wrong, but would suggest that unless can be proved otherwise, an improvised armament of a single Lewis or Vickers K in each of the F and R or TR positions would be more appropriate.

Sunderland - a real mess here; problem is which mark to represent? Again, quadruple Lewises most definitely out. The R turret should always be 4 x .303 Browning. Other positions vary by Mark...
Mark I - 2 x .303 Browning F (ignoring the very early production run that had a single Vickers K in the nose), 2 x .303 Vickers K at S (later upgraded to 2 x .5 Brownings)
Mark II/III - 2 x .303 Browning F, 2 x .303 Browning TT, (some also sported the 2 x .303 Vickers K at S as crew mod)
Mark V - 6 x .303 Browning F (2 in turret, 4 fixed - fitted for flak suppression on surfaced subs during attack run), 2 x .303 Browning TT
And of course, ASV radar.
Personally I would suggest a Mark III, since these represented the bulk of the production run.
As for bombload, it should be four 500lb or eight 250lb or eight DCs.

Do-24K - should be 20mm HS404 in lieu of the Solothurn cannon.

Lancaster - wholly fictional 2 x .303 at S need to go. Should have H2S radar.

LB-30 - again, odd quadruple mounts, this time for Vickers... Given that although these aircraft had been built for the UK, they would only have been armed once they arrived in Britain (and not with quad Vickers!), I should have thought that in USAAF service armament would have approximated to the B-24A, say 1 x .30 or .5 Browning in F, 2 x .30 Browning in R, 2 x .5 Browning in S, maybe 1 x .5 Browning in BR

Liberator VI - more likely to have UK armament of 4 x .303 Browning in R and no ventral turret but ASV radar (at least for those sqns primarily in GR role).

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 3/30/2006 4:00:48 PM   
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In China, the base Pioting ís named Paoting on Andrew's map. Similarly Kaigan/Kalgan.

The IL-4/IL-4c doesn't seem to have its bombload reduced - its 10X250kg AP.

The four INA brigades appear in Tokyo, attached to CEA. Is this deliberate?

AS Plancius arrives D+147 at Tjilitjap. Any change of giving it an entry point less likely to be in Japanese hands? Dunno if the Black Hole thing applies to arrivals at minor bases.

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/1/2006 3:37:14 PM   
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Class 1523 Small Norwegian AK: wrong facing of MGs: 2xF 4xRS 4xLS 2xF

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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 4/1/2006 6:23:05 PM   
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Thought perhaps these vessels might be included.


Ron,

I haven't been doing anything with new ship classes, except when I have followed Don's lead from his own work.

Andrew


I think Don just missed these. They are aussie coastal ore carriers so would not really venture offmap. Maybe because of this they are assumed to be helping move resources abstractly during the resource phase.



Actually I specifically skipped all bulk carriers. In addition to these ships there were a number of U.S. and Canadian vessels along the west coast. These were special purpose ships that carried only ore in bulk or else timber and did not carry general supplies. It would have been nice to be able to specify a ship that can carry raw resources but not finished goods but that just is not available. Besides, there is no shortage of AKs.

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Roger that...makes too much sense.


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RE: 2nd USMC Para Btn - 4/6/2006 3:40:22 AM   
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There seems to be some inconsistancy with the RNZAF Corsair sqd's. The Kittyhawks upgrade to the Corsair III/IV, while those that arrive on-map do so equipped with the F4U-1. Is this deliberate to allow upgrades to later Corsair models?

Any thought to changing Commonwealth sdq aircraft/upgrades to the lend-lease version rather than the US version of an aircraft whenever possible? There's something weird about seeing an RAAF aircraft with that big star on the side - having it swapped for the RAF roundel isn't perfect, but at least less weird. Further, I presume lend-lease wasn't entirely unlimited, and perhaps better served by having Commonwealth nations draw aircraft from the generally smaller pools when possible.

No.28 sqd RAF (slot 1386) upgrades Lysander I - Hurricane IIb etc, but it's max no. of aircraft is 12. Maybe this should be 16?

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/8/2006 3:57:44 PM   
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In China, the base Pioting ís named Paoting on Andrew's map. Similarly Kaigan/Kalgan.


The map I have mainly used as a source for Chinese names - the 1945 American National Geographic map of China, used Paoting (as an alternate to Tsingyuan) and Kalgan. I know that Chinese names sometimes appear differently on different maps, so sometimes it is not easy to pick which name should be used...

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/12/2006 7:11:37 AM   
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Slot 3200 USS Utah CA? This appears just be be a hull with alot of armour and no weapons or the ablity to move for that matter.

3052 HMS Venerable There isn't a bomber or torpedo bomber squadron on this carrier, was that intentional?

I noticed that there is a Midway class thip however there isn't a Midway ship, that for what if additions of our own?

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/12/2006 7:38:56 AM   
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The Utah was an old battleship that was sunk at Pearl Harbor. She was unarmed. She had been used as an AA training vessel before the war IIRC. Game-wise she is eye-candy and a bomb and torpedo magnet. I kinda like the idea of having her in CHS, but I will edit her out in order to get a good first turn PH strike.

I dunno about Venerable. She could have been used as a plane transporter like U.S.S. Long Island. The CHS people would be able to tell you.

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/17/2006 3:29:22 PM   
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No 117 Squadron

"In November 1941, the bulk of the squadron moved to Egypt, leaving the communications types in the Sudan. Freight services were now being operated to airfields in the Western Desert and from August 1942 it was using Dakotas for similar duties to Malta. In November the squadron at last standardised on a single type, which in this case was the Hudson.

In June 1943 the squadron converted to Dakotas and began operating services around the Mediterranean, which lasted until October when it moved to India. Operations began there in January 1944 after the unit had undergone parachute training."


Arrival 420215 -> 440115?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn116-120.htm
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No 131 (County of Kent) Squadron

"In March 1944, it received Spitfire VIIs and was employed on bomber escort duties and these were maintained until October, when the squadron was declared non-operational in preparation for being embarked for India. The squadron re-assembled on 5 February 1945 at Amarda Road, but before becoming operational, its Spitfire VIIIs were re-allocated to the Royal Indian Air Force and the squadron disbanded on 10 June 1945. Sixteen days later the squadron was reformed when No 134 Squadron at Ulundurpet was renumbered."

So essentially this sqd is a dublicate of No 134 sqd?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn131-135.htm
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No 216 Squadron

"1943 saw the squadron settle down to routine missions including VIP flights and in March, Dakotas began to arrive and by May the squadron was solely equipped with this type. With the Dakotas the squadron began scheduled flights although some paratroop and re-supply missions were carried out.

In April 1944, the squadron sent a large detachment to Burma, where it carried out re-supply drops and casualty evacuations from the area. By the end of the war, the squadron was acting much in the role of an airline with scheduled services throughout Africa, the Middle East, India, the Mediterranean, Southern Europe and even back to the UK."


Including this sqd overstates its role in combat ops?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn216-220.htm
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No 321 (Netherlands) Squadron

"Originally formed at Pembroke Dock from personnel of the Royal Netherlands Naval Air Service on 1 June 1940...on 18 January 1941, the squadron was absorbed by No 320 Squadron.

Following the invasion of Malaya and Java by the Japanese in December 1941/January 1942, four Catalinas of the Royal Netherlands Navy managed to escape from Java and reach Ceylon. These aircraft ands crews were immediately pressed into service carrying out anti-submarine patrols over the Indian Ocean. A further five Catalinas arrived in May and on 15 August 1942, they were all formed into a new No 321 Squadron.

The squadron was based at China Bay in Ceylon until 1945 but it operated detachments from South Africa, Masirah and Socotra at various times during this period."


Given that the Dutch Catalina sqd's are likely to survive, and given that part of this sqd operated off-map, perhaps this sqd is in effect a dublicate?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn310-347.htm#320
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No 353 Squadron

"Formed on 1 June 1942 at Dum Dum near Calcutta from elements of No 62 Squadron and No 103 (Coast Defence) Flight, Indian Air Force. It began patrolling the Bay of Bengal using Hudsons on 13 July and continued on these until 8 August 1943.

In August 1943 the squadron moved to Palam where it took over the mail flights of No 194 Squadron. Dakotas were added to its inventory in April 1944 to form 'D' Flight and by October Dakotas had replaced Hudsons completely."


Including this sqd overstates its role in combat ops? Upgrade to Dakota I?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn353-361.htm
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No 357 Squadron

"Formed at Digri on 1 February 1944 by raising No 1576 (Special Duties) Flight to squadron status. The Hudsons and Liberators of No 1576 Flight formed 'A' Flight of the squadron whilst a Flight of four Catalinas was added to make 'B' Flight, these operated from Redhills Lake near Madras.

The squadron carried out supply dropping missions to guerrilla forces in Burma using the Hudsons, whilst the larger aircraft operated as far afield as Sumatra and Malaya drooping supplies and landing agents. The Catalina Flight was raised to squadron status on 21 March 1944 as No 628 Squadron but 'C' Flight was added in early 1945 equipped with Lysanders and at the same time the Hudsons were replaced by Dakotas.

It continued to carry out its clandestine operations until the end of the war."


Special ops sqd? Including this sqd overstates its role in combat ops?

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No 358 Squadron

"Formed on 8 November at Kolar, in India, it was composed of personnel from No 1673 HCU. Equipped with Liberators it began operations in January 1945 when it bombed Mandalay on the 13th.

However, this mission proved to be its one and only bombing raid as it was immediately transferred to special duties, dropping supplies and agents behind enemy lines. Its first mission on 22 January shows how hazardous these were when the squadron lost three of the eleven aircraft dispatched.

The squadron continued in this role for the remainder of the war."


Special ops sqd? Including this sqd overstates its role in combat ops?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn353-361.htm
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No 618 Squadron

"Formed shortly after No 617 on 1 Aril 1943, this squadron was also created to undertake special operations with a smaller version of Barnes Wallis' 'Bouncing Bomb'.

It was formed at Skitten from a nucleus of crews provided by No's 105 and 109 Squadrons and was equipped with Mosquitoes, which each carried two of the smaller 'Highball' devices.

It was next decided to send the squadron to the Pacific for similar duties against the Japanese. Embarking aboard two RN carriers in October 1944, the squadron arrived in Australia in December. A detachment was sent to the British Pacific Fleet base at Manus in March 1945, but when it became obvious that there would be problems operating an RAF unit in an area controlled by the US Navy, the squadron was disbanded on 29 June 1945."


No combat ops and disbanded before the end of the war. Delete?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn611-620.htm
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No 628 Squadron

"Formed from a nucleus provided by 'B' Flight, No 357 Squadron, this unit equipped with Catalinas operated in the meteorological reconnaissance and air sea rescue role from its base at Redhills Lake.

It operated over the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean, disbanding 1 October 1944."


Including this sqd overstates its role in combat ops?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn621-650.htm
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Having reviewed the RAF sqd's I might add that, on the basis of the above site, the CHS team has done a pretty good job on the OOB.

However, some findings:

1. Minor changes to the arrival date of 38 sqds, mostly to a later arrival date.

2. Slight changes to the upgrade path of 15 sqds, primarily around whether -> Hurricane IIB -> Spits or Hurricane IIC (the IID/IV I take it) -> Thunderbolt.

3. No evidence of the RAF flying the C-46, however "No production C-46s were supplied to the RAF, but the original CW-20 prototype was purchased by the USAAF and supplied to Britain in 1942; BOAC used it for 18 months or so, mainly for flights to Lisbon, but it was broken up in late 1943."
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c46_tech.htm

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RE: Aircraft weaponry - 4/18/2006 2:00:26 AM   
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However, some findings:

1. Minor changes to the arrival date of 38 sqds, mostly to a later arrival date.

2. Slight changes to the upgrade path of 15 sqds, primarily around whether -> Hurricane IIB -> Spits or Hurricane IIC (the IID/IV I take it) -> Thunderbolt.

3. No evidence of the RAF flying the C-46, however "No production C-46s were supplied to the RAF, but the original CW-20 prototype was purchased by the USAAF and supplied to Britain in 1942; BOAC used it for 18 months or so, mainly for flights to Lisbon, but it was broken up in late 1943." http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c46_tech.htm


Thanks for the information. I will take a look. If you have any similar adjustments please let me know ASAP as we are getting very close to wrapping up the next CHS update (finally).

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No 5 Squadron

CHS 155: Mohawk IV -> Thunderbolt II

Rafweb.org: Mohawk IV -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark005.htm
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No 17 Squadron

CHS 155: Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire Vb -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Rafweb.org: Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn016-20.htm
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No 34 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire Vb -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Rafweb.org: Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark034-35.htm
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No 36 Squadron

CHS 155: Vildebeest IV -> Beaufort I -> Beaufighter VIC

Rafweb.org: Vildebeest IV -> Wellington III

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark036A.htm
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No 42 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim IV -> Mosquito B.XXVI

Rafweb.org: Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

Note: Arrived in theatre flying Beauforts, but reequipped with Blenheims before commencing combat ops.

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark042.htm

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn041-45.htm
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No 52 Squadron

CHS 155:C-46 Commado

Rafweb.org: Dakota I

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn051-55.htm
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No 60 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim I -> Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire Vb -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Rafweb.org: Blenheim I -> Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

Note: Only the RAF and the RCAF flies the Blenheim. Only No. 60 & 62 Sdq's flies the Blenheim I. All other sqd's starts with the Blenheim IV. Thus the default upgrade path could be set to Blenheim I -> Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IID/IV - Thunderbolt II, which would allow No. 60 sqd the correct upgrade path per rafweb.org. The divergent Benheim IV sqd's would have to have their upgrade path set manually, of course.

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark060.htm
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No 62 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim I -> Hudson I -> Beaufort V-IX -> Beaufighter Mk21

Rafweb.org: Blenheim I -> Hudson I -> Dakota I

Note: re-equipped with Hudsons in January 1942, and was absorbed into No. 1 (RAAF) sqd before the end of the DEI campaign. In April 1942, the Hudson-equipped No. 139 sqd (not in the game) was renamed No. 62 sqd. It re-equipped with Dakota's May-July 1943 and operated in a transport capacity to the end of the war.

Arguably the the upgrade path should be Blenheim I -> Dakota I as the sqd operated with Hudsons for 1.5 years against 2 years with Dakota's.

Of all the Hudson-equipped sqd's of the RAF, RAAF & RNZAF, No. 62 is the only sqd that upgrades to the Hudson. Thus the peculiarities of No 62 sqd could be accomodated if default upgrade Hudson -> Dakota I, setting the other sqds manually. However Martin 139 -> Hudson I -> Beaufort V-IX -> Beaufighter Mk21, but I guess this path is hypothetical anyway (?). Perhaps Martin 139 -> Hudson I -> Dakota I is more realistic, as the paucity of Dutch pilots would presumably cast them in a patrol/tranport role rather than combat?


Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark061-63.htm

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn061-65.htm

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn136-140.htm

Source: http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/h62.html
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No 84 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim IV -> Mosquito B.XXVI

Rafweb.org: Blenheim IV -> Vengeance I -> Mosquito FB.VI

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark084.htm
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No 96 Squadron

CHS 155: C-46 Commando

Rafweb.org: Dakota I

http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark094-97.htm
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No 113 Squadron

CHS 155: Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire Vb -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Rafweb.org: Blenheim IV -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark113-115.htm
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No 146 Squadron

CHS 155: Mohawk IV -> Hurricane IIB -> Spitfire Vb -> Spitfire VIII -> Spitfire XIV

Rafweb.org:

(Hawker Audex 12/41 -> 10/42)

......Mohawk IV: 3/42 -> 5/42

......Buffalo I: 3/42 -> 5/42

...........Hurricane IIB: 5/42 -> 1/44

................................................Hurricane IID/IV: 12/43 -> 5/44

.............................................................................................Thunderbolt II: 6/44 -> 6/45 (disbanded)



Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark145-150.htm

"It eventually formed at Risalpur from 'B' Flight of No 5 Squadron on 15 October 1941. Equipped with Audaxes, these were taken to Dum Dum in November 1941 to provide air defence of the region. In March 1942, the elderly Audaxes were replaced by Mohawks but in April these went to No 5 Squadron and it received Buffaloes instead. However, these were also to be short-lived as in May, the squadron moved to Calcutta, receiving Hurricanes, although a few Audaxes were retained for communications purposes. The squadron then moved to Bengal to provide fighter cover for the area until January 1943, when it began ground attack operations over Burma using advanced bases, where necessary.

The squadron moved to Burma itself in April 1943, where it continued it ground attack operations but also resumed an air defence role. In February 1944, rumours of an impending carrier borne attack led the squadron being sent to Southern India to combat this, but the attack never happened and in Jun it converted to the Thunderbolt. It returned to operations over Burma in September continuing its ground attack role until disbanding on 30 June 1945."


Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn146-150.htm

Given that the text stresses how the sqd primarily operated in a ground-attack role and air-defence - rather than air superiority role - and that it never flew Spits, perhaps a case could be made for:

Mohawk IV or Buffalo I -> Hurricane IID/IV -> Thunderbolt II

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No 194 Squadron

CHS 155: Hudson I -> Dakota I

Note: No 194 sqd operated Hudsons in a transport capacity from 10/42 to 9/43, doing mail- and VIP-runs. It then retooled with Dakota's and commenced combat ops in 2/44. So possibly this sdq should arrive early '44 with Dakota's?

http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn191-195.htm
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No 205 Squadron

CHS 155: Catalina I

Rafweb.org: Catalina I -> Sunderland

http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark205-207.htm
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No 353 Squadron

CHS 155: Hudson I -> Beaufort V-IX -> Beaufighter Mk21

Rafweb.org: Hudson I -> Dakota I

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark331-360.htm
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No 436 Squadron

CHS 155: C-46 Commando

Rafweb.org: Dakota I

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark430-443.htm
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No 11 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-02-15

Rafweb.org: "Following the withdrawal of British troops from Greece, it went to Palestine from where it took part in operations to occupy Syria from the French and then in August to Iraq where it took part in the occupation of Iran before returning to Egypt in September 1941.

Yet another move took place in March 1942 when the squadron went to Ceylon remaining there until January 1943 when it moved into Burma."


Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn011-15.htm
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No 22 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-04-15

Rafweb.org: "Operations continued against coastal targets and shipping until March 1942 when the squadron began its move overseas, arriving in Ceylon on 28 April 1942."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn021-25.htm
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No 28 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-01-15

Rafweb.org: "Lysanders arrived in September 1941 and these where used against the Japanese in Burma from December [1941]."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn026-30.htm
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No 31 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-04-15

Rafweb.org: "It operated throughout WW1 along the North-West Frontier of India, assisting the army in its struggle against dissident tribesmen. Equipped with BE2s and Henri Farmans, by the end of the war it had 16 of the former and 34 of the latter on strength. Unlike its contemporaries in Europe the end of the war brought little change to its daily life and in 1919, its equipment was standardised on the Bristol F2B.

These were retained until February 1931 when Wapitis arrived and with these operations continued. However, in April 1939, the squadron converted to the bomber-transport role for which it was equipped with Valentias, ex-No 216 Squadron and absorbing the Bomber-Transport Flight at Lahore. DC2s began to arrive in April 1941, which were used with the Valentias to support the RAF station at Habbaniya during the Iraqi revolt of that year, but by September the Valentias had been replaced altogether.

When the Japanese invasion of Burma, the squadron carried casualty evacuation missions and re-supply sorties. Dakotas were received in April 1942 and used alongside the DC2s until the later were finally retired in May 1943."


Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn031-35.htm

"From Magwe on 21 March nine Blenheims and ten Hurricanes attacked Mingaladon airfield, Rangoon, destroying 11 Zeroes in the air and 16 on the ground. The Japanese hit back with 230 aircraft in the first of six attacks which finally put paid to the RAF aircraft and airstrips at Magwe and Akyab; the surviving aircrew and ground staff had to leave Burma on foot. Ancient Vickers Valentias of 31 Squadron now came into the picture, evacuating the wounded and dropping limited supplies to the harassed divisions as they retreated north towards the Imphal Plains in India."

Source: http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol065pf.html

"Now that they had command of the air the Japanese fighters and bombers ranged over a wide area of northern Burma, attacking Lashio, Mandalay, Loiwing and Myitkyina. Their assault on Mandalay, delivered on 3 April, was particularly devastating...Meanwhile the Japanese ground forces were advancing with great rapidity. Before the end of April they had reached Lashio and cut the Burma Road; and with their capture of Mandalay a few days later all hope of holding northern Burma had to be abandoned.

Great and timely aid to both troops and refugees was given by the unarmed and unarmoured Dakota and Valentia transport aircraft of No. 31 Squadron from India. Flying far beyond the normal limits of endurance for men and machines, they dropped food and medical supplies along the routes and, landing wherever they could in Burma, brought out thousands of sick and wounded soldiers and civilians."


Source: http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-3RAF-c12.html

"27 March

The Japanese launch a three-day assault on Akyab, destroying a further seven Hawker Hurricanes. The surviving aircraft are evacuated to India. Over 8,600 civilians are airlifted to safety by Douglas Dakota transport aircraft of No.31 Squadron RAF and the 2nd Troop Carrier Squadron, United States Army Air Force (USAAF)."


Source: http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/milestones-of-flight/british_military/1942_3.html

Note: So the sdq had been in India for 25 years before transferring to Iraq during the "revolt" there in May 1941. I've been unable to determine when exactly the sqd transferred back to India, but the last quote above would suggest end of March '42 at the latest, but stricktly speaking it could be anytime from June 41 onwards. Possibly the arrival date should be set to 42-03-15.

Total confusion about which aircraft they were flying - possibly they had all three types on strength?
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No 42 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-10-15

Rafweb.org: "Anti-shipping and minelaying operations began in June 1940 and continued until June 1942 when the squadron was transferred to the Far East. However, the situation in the Middle East resulted in them being held in the area and attached to No 47 Squadron, so it was December [1942] before the squadron arrived in Ceylon. In February 1943 the squadron changed role when it re-equipped with Blenheims which it used over Burma."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn041-45.htm
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No 45 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-03-15

Rafweb.org: "It began operations on 11 June 1940, the day after the Italian declaration of war, and subsequently operated over the Western Desert, Abyssinia, Palestine and Iraq. However, in February 1942 the squadron found itself on the move again, this time to Burma."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn041-45.htm
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No 47 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-11-15

Rafweb.org: "With Beauforts, the squadron began anti-shipping strikes along the North African coast from October 1942. These where continued with Beaufighters from June 1943 although the area of operation soon moved to the coasts of Italy, Sicily and Sardinia and from October 1943 it moved to El Adem in Libya for operations in and around the Aegean. However, in March 1944, the squadron was moved to India and in October began converting to the Mosquito. Problems were immediately experienced with these aircraft as the high humidity began to delaminate their plywood structure and Beaufighters were taken back on strength in November. Having solved the problems with the Mosquito, the squadron was able to finally convert to the type in February 1945."

Note: So in real terms, this sqd wasn't ready ops till 11/44?

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn046-50.htm
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No 52 Squadron

CHS 155: 45-01-15

Rafweb.org: "The squadron reformed, in the transport role, on 1 July 1944, when 'C' an 'D' Flights of no 353 Squadron was redesignated as such. Based at Dum Dum near Calcutta, the squadron was now flying Dakotas on general transport duties throughout India."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn051-55.htm
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No 54 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-08-15

Rafweb.org: "In June 1942 the squadron moved south to Wellingore, but not for operations, but to prepare for a move overseas. The squadron was to be part of a fighter wing tasked with the defence of Northern Australia against Japanese attacks. However, it was January 1943, before the squadron was ready to begin operations."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn051-55.htm
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No 82 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-05-15

Rafweb.org: "However, in March 1942, the squadron was transferred to the Far East, leaving its Blenheims on Malta for distribution amongst other units. Although the squadron arrived at Karachi in May, it was August [1942] before any aircraft were received in the form of Vengence dive-bombers."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn081-85.htm
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No 96 Squadron

CHS 155: 45-01-15

Rafweb.org: "In March 1945 the squadron was sent to India via Egypt, without its aircraft and on arrival at Cairo West received Dakotas, which were then flown to India."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn096-100.htm
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No 110 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-03-15

Rafweb.org: "In July 1941, it sent a detachment to Malta, which carried out attacks against Axis convoys and coastal targets in Italy, Sicily and North Africa. The remainder of the squadron continued to operate from the UK as normal. In March 1942, both elements rejoined and moved to India, flying out new Blenheims, but on arrival these were distributed to other units. In October [1942] the squadron received its own equipment, in the form of Vengence dive-bombers."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn106-110.htm
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No 113 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-02-15

Rafweb.org: "in January 1942 it was sent to reinforce the situation in Burma, immediately carrying out attacks against Japanese targets."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn111-115.htm
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No 117 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-02-15

Rafweb.org: "In November 1941, the bulk of the squadron moved to Egypt, leaving the communications types in the Sudan. Freight services were now being operated to airfields in the Western Desert and from August 1942 it was using Dakotas for similar duties to Malta. In November the squadron at last standardised on a single type, which in this case was the Hudson. In June 1943 the squadron converted to Dakotas and began operating services around the Mediterranean, which lasted until October when it moved to India. Operations began there in January 1944 after the unit had undergone parachute training."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn116-120.htm
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No 131 Squadron

CHS 155: 45-02-15

Rafweb.org: "In March 1944, it received Spitfire VIIs and was employed on bomber escort duties and these were maintained until October, when the squadron was declared non-operational in preparation for being embarked for India. The squadron re-assembled on 5 February 1945 at Amarda Road, but before becoming operational, its Spitfire VIIIs were re-allocated to the Royal Indian Air Force and the squadron disbanded on 10 June 1945. Sixteen days later the squadron was reformed when No 134 Squadron at Ulundurpet was renumbered."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn131-135.htm
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No 136 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-03-15

Rafweb.org: "Beginning operations at the end of September, it was only operational until early November, when it was despatched to India. However, en-route its destination was altered to Burma as a result of the Japanese attack on the country, arriving in early February 1942."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn136-140.htm
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No 152 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-11-15

Rafweb.org: "In preparation for the landings on Sicily, the squadron moved to Malta in June 1943, moving onto the island in July and then Italy in September. However, in November it was on the move to another operational theatre, when it was advised to transfer to India. Arriving in December [1943] it re-equipped Spitfire VIIIs and immediately began fighter patrols."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn151-155.htm
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No 155 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-05-15

Rafweb.org: "No 155 reformed on 1 April 1942 at Peshawar, equipped with Curtiss Mohawks, however it was September [1942] before the squadron became operational."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn151-155.htm
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No 159 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-01-15

Rafweb.org: "The history of this unit in World War Two is somewhat confused but it began to form on 2 January 1942 at Molesworth as a Liberator equipped bomber unit destined for the Middle East. The ground personnel left by sea in February 1942 and arrived in Egypt in April, in the meantime the air element was still in the UK training. In May most of the ground staff were sent to India and it was June before the air element began its journey and on arrival it absorbed the aircrew of No 160 Squadron. In July this joint unit moved to Palestine, its aircraft now being serviced by personnel of Nos 458 and then 454 RAAF squadrons. Finally in September the No 159 element continued on to India and the element left in the Middle East adopted the identity of No 160 Squadron. Arriving at Salbani in late September the squadron was finally ready to begin operations against the Japanese in November [1942] ."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn156-160.htm
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No 160 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-02-15

Rafweb.org: "Like No 159, the history of this unit in World War Two is somewhat confused but it began to form on 16 January 1942 at Thurleigh as a Liberator equipped general reconnaissance unit destined for the Far East. The ground personnel left by sea in February 1942 and arrived in India in June, in the meantime the air element was still in the UK training at Polebrook. It was June before the air element began its journey and on arrival in the Middle East, whilst en-route, it was absorbed by No 159 Squadron. In July this joint unit moved to Palestine, its aircraft now being serviced by personnel of Nos 458 and then 454 RAAF squadrons. Finally in September the No 159 element continued on to India and the element left in the Middle East adopted the identity of No 160 Squadron. From November aircraft began moving to India, those left in the Middle East continuing its operations until 15 January 1943 when it was amalgamated with No 147 Squadron to form No 178 Squadron. As more aircraft and crews joined the original No 160 ground personnel in India it began to reform as a general reconnaissance unit beginning operations over the Bay of Bengal on 6 February 1943."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn156-160.htm
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No 177 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-01-15

Rafweb.org: "Formed at Dum Dum on 14 January 1943 from a detachment of No 89 Squadron, then based in the Middle East."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn176-180.htm
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No 177 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-05-15

Rafweb.org: "Formed on 28 November 1942,from personnel en-route to India, it was January 1943, before the squadron assembled at Armada Road and then Allahabad, where it was attached to No 308 MU. Its aircrews operated with No 27 Squadron pending arrival of its own aircraft. Beaufighters arrived in May 1943 and the squadron began operations in September [1943]."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn176-180.htm
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No 194 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-12-15

Rafweb.org: The squadron reformed at Lahore on 14 October 1942 equipped with Hudsons in the transport role. Initially it provided mail and passenger services throughout but in September 1943, it began converting to the airborne forces role.
This was made easier as the squadron started receiving Dakotas in May and by September the last Hudson had left. From February 1944 and for the rest of the war the squadron carried out supply dropping missions in Burma".


Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn191-195.htm
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No 200 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-09-15

Rafweb.org: "From July 1943 the squadron converted to Liberators, which were taken to India in March 1944."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn196-200.htm
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No 203 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-07-15

Rafweb.org: "From November [1942] the squadron was solely equipped with Baltimores, but a year later it moved to India and converted to Wellingtons."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn201-205.htm
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No 212 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-11-15

Rafweb.org: "The squadron reformed again on 22 October 1942. It was now destined to operate Catalinas from Korangi Creek near Karachi, but its first aircraft did not arrive until December [1942]."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn211-215.htm
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No 216 Squadron

CHS 155: 44-01-15

Rafweb.org: "In July 1942 it received Hudsons and was now definitely a pure transport unit, carrying supplies throughout the Western Desert and supporting units operating behind enemy lines, although the Bombays soldiered on until May 1943. 1943 saw the squadron settle down to routine missions including VIP flights and in March, Dakotas began to arrive and by May the squadron was solely equipped with this type. With the Dakotas the squadron began scheduled flights although some paratroop and re-supply missions were carried out. In April 1944, the squadron sent a large detachment to Burma, where it carried out re-supply drops and casualty evacuations from the area. By the end of the war, the squadron was acting much in the role of an airline with scheduled services throughout Africa, the Middle East, India, the Mediterranean, Southern Europe and even back to the UK."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn216-220.htm
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No 217 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-07-15

Rafweb.org: "The squadron was earmarked for service in Ceylon with the ground echelon leaving on 7 May and the aircraft flying out on 7 June 1942. On arrival in Malta, the squadron were retained for attacks against enemy shipping in the Mediterranean. When the ground crews arrived in August, they had no aircraft and it was October [1942] before Hudsons arrived for the squadron to began anti-submarine patrols."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn216-220.htm
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No 238 Squadron

CHS 155: 44-11-15

Rafweb.org: "A new 238 Squadron formed at Merryfield on 1 December 1944 as a transport unit, intended to operate Albemarles, but when its equipment arrived it was in the form of Dakotas. These were taken to India in February 1945, where it began supply dropping operations and casualty evacuation from Burma."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn236-240.htm
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No 267 Squadron

CHS 155: 44-10-15

Rafweb.org: "The squadron moved to Italy in November 1943 and remained there until February 1945, when it was sent to the Burma front."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn266-270.htm
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No 353 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-05-15

Rafweb.org: "Formed on 1 June 1942 at Dum Dum near Calcutta from elements of No 62 Squadron and No 103 (Coast Defence) Flight, Indian Air Force."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark331-360.htm
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No 354 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-06-15

Rafweb.org: "Formed at Drigh Road near Karachi on 10 May 1943 in the General Reconnaissance role. However, it was August [1943] before the squadron received any aircraft in the form of Liberators, by which time it had moved to Cuttack."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark331-360.htm
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No 355 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-07-15

Rafweb.org: "355 Sqn existed from 18 August 1943 until 31 May 1946 (less than three years). Its first aircraft (Liberator IIIs) arrived in October 1943".

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark331-360.htm
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No 356 Squadron

CHS 155: 43-08-15

Rafweb.org: "Formed at Salbani in India on 15 January 1944, it was equipped with Liberators the following week. Its first operations in June were meteorological flights which were followed by the first bombing missions on 27 July.

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark331-360.htm
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No 436 Squadron

CHS 155: 45-02-15

Rafweb.org: "This squadron was formally formed on 20 August 1944 at Gujarat in India, but it was October before any ground personnel arrived. Its aircraft began to arrive in November in the form of Dakotas and it began to work up. Its first operation in December was to move No 117 Squadron from Bikram to Hathazari. In January it performed similar duties for No 42 Squadron and then began ferrying supplies to XXXIII Corps."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn431-443.htm
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No 615 Squadron

CHS 155: 42-06-15

Rafweb.org: "It later took part in offensive sweeps over Europe and defence duties in Wales before moving to India in April 1942."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn611-620.htm
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No 684 Squadron

CHS 155: 44-01-01

Rafweb.org: "Another photographic reconnaissance unit, it was formed on 29 December 1943 at Dum Dum in India."

Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn671-1435.htm
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