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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 2:01:09 AM   
siRkid


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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 2:21:53 AM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 2:54:30 AM   
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Very nice pictures. The carnage was terrible - just look at that photo of destroyed destroyer- Cassin? in front of Pennslyvania.

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 4:15:42 AM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 4:30:31 AM   
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It's hard to tell.


Given that there isn't any antiaircraft fire over the harbor I would assume its probably friendly.

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:41:10 AM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:47:23 AM   
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Thank you for posting these !

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 9:22:44 AM   
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You’re all very welcome, I knew they'd be a hit here. I too think I may have seen one or two of the images before, but most are brand new to me too.

I’ve been busy back-tracking the chain email I received trying to track down the original author to see if they can shed some light on the origination of the images and give us a little more detail (and hopefully more images, drool).

So far I’ve tracked the post back to a guy at the Johnson Space Center, and I’m hoping he is the original author. But as all things chain letters go, this post could have been circulating through thousands of people since Dec. 7th 2000 or something and I’d have no hope finding the original author then.

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 9:50:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone: Remember what I was saying about single-digit fires in the PH attacks for the US? BTW, I'm tending more to believe that the conditions of ships from the previous turn, are the condition they were damaged with when we see them next. I know this because I had a PC which had been attacked by a sub, adajacent to a base. This was damaged seriously enough that it split from it's parent TF during the execution phase. This means it then plots towards that same base (happened to be it's home base). It had at least one move during a pulse, as well all know, but yet it didn't move in there before the player turn (it's parent TF was stationary).

To re-hash, there are no US ships, no matter how repeatedly pounded (in the scenario15 PH attack), that are coming up with more then single-digit fires, and if you draw the same conclusion I do regarding the PC that split and didn't make it to base, when it clearly should have, if anything was being affected after that attack, then the good US firefighting has no chance to help those boats by the time you get to take a look at the damage on 12/8 and you shouldn't see this advantage revealed until the 12/9 US player turn.

I have played scenario15 3 times where I saved it and then went back and saw the ships damaged. There is not a single ship in these three instances that has more than single-digit fires - none. Does PH have an asbestos coating on the ships? Are ALL US ships this well protected no matter the time or place?


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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 2:56:05 PM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:13:56 PM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:16:43 PM   
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Any ideas on what is exploding in no.14?

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:20:20 PM   
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Agreed. Excellent stuff Jim.

Any ideas on what is exploding in no.14?


The USS Shaw's forward magazines while in the floating drydock.


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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:32:18 PM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 5:57:02 PM   
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That's Cassin in front of Pee Vee on no.15?

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 7:28:37 PM   
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I visited Hawaii in 1999 and spent a day at Pearl Harbour. The deck of the Arizona is just 1-2 feet below the surface and is very visible. Oil is still bubbling up from the wreck. It gives you a very eerie and solemn feeling, since the Harbour does not look that different from that day in 1941...



I read that they are worried about the ecological disaster that would happen when the 200,000 gallons of oil finally spill out of the Arizona's bunkers. ANyone know if they've done anything about this yet?

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 7:38:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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Man..that is one hot fire. The mast, perhaps 30 feet from the flames, is smoldering from the raidant heat and the smoke is being sucked into the fire horizontally

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 8:08:31 PM   
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I read that they are worried about the ecological disaster that would happen when the 200,000 gallons of oil finally spill out of the Arizona's bunkers. ANyone know if they've done anything about this yet?


The National Parks Department has, and continues to, fund studies on this very question. (I read this as what would be classified as "pork" spending, but I am getting more cynical as I get older.)

The debates, heavily saturated with input from enviornmentalist experts, are on what would be an effective solution. Some of the solutions suggested may turn out to lead to unintended side effects to either the ship (which is a national war grave), or the critters living in or around it (which is a protected natural habitat).

Chances are these bureaucrats will talk themselves to death, and only actually do anything after some catastrophic failure has taken place. Then there will be more finger pointing, and the Republicans will get blamed.

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 10:55:46 PM   
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View looking toward the southern end of Ford Island on 8 December 1941, the day after the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor.
Planes present include at least seven OS2U, two SOC, one PBY-5, one F4F-3 and two TBD-1s. One of the TBDs may be Bureau # 0289, which was flown by Ensign Theodore W. Marshall, USNR, during his attempt to follow Japanese planes back to their carriers on 7 December. He was awarded the Silver Star for the effort.







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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:02:07 PM   
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Capsizing off Ford Island, during the attack on Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941, after being torpedoed by Japanese aircraft .
Photographed from USS Tangier (AV-8), which was moored astern of Utah.
Note colors half-raised over fantail, boats nearby, and sheds covering Utah's after guns.





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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:05:50 PM   
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Vertical aerial view of the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard on 10 December 1941, showing damage from the Japanese raid three days earlier.
In upper center is the floating drydock YFD-2, with the destroyer Shaw (DD-373), whose bow was blown off, floating at an angle at one end.
The torpedoed cruiser Helena (CL-50) is in Drydock Number Two, in center, for repairs. She was the first ship to use that newly constructed dock.
Drydock Number One is just below Drydock Number Two. It holds the relatively undamaged battleship Pennsylvania (BB-38) and the wrecked destroyers Cassin (DD-372), capsized, and Downes (DD-375).
Note dark oil streaks on the harbor surface.





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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:12:31 PM   
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USS Shaw (DD-373)

Burning in floating drydock YFD-2 at the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard, after she was hit by Japanese bombs and her forward magazines exploded.






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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:13:56 PM   
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USS Shaw (DD-373) burning in floating drydock YFD-2 shortly after the explosion that blew off her bow.
The drydock has partially sunk, allowing Shaw's after section to float free.
Note men on the beach, at left, playing fire hoses in the direction of the drydock.


(From opposite angle)




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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:16:05 PM   
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USS Cassin (DD-372) burned out and capsized against USS Downes (DD-375), in the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard drydock on 7 December 1941, after the Japanese attack.





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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:17:10 PM   
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Blistered paint and other fire damage to the forward hull of USS Pennsylvania (BB-38), in Drydock # 1 at the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard shortly after the Japanese raid.
Note Jack flying at the battleship's bow.





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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:19:51 PM   
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Capsized alongside 1010 dock at Pearl Harbor, 9 December 1941. She was sunk during the Japanese air raid two days earlier. Preliminary salvage work on her is already underway
"Battleship Row", by Ford Island is in the distance, with USS Maryland (BB-46) in center, alongside the capsized USS Oklahoma (BB-37). Astern are USS West Virginia (BB-48), sunk alongside USS Tennessee (BB-44). Farthest to the right are the sunken and burned-out remains of USS Arizona (BB-39).






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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:23:32 PM   
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Just after she was placed in the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard's Drydock # Two, 9 April 1942. California had been sunk as a result of the 7 December 1941 Japanese air raid and was refloated on 24 March 1942.
Note the mud on the ship's propeller shafts and struts and on the drydock floor below them.


There are a whole lot of interesting (to me) pics on the salvage. I will refrain from posting them, but link instead: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-salv.htm ..




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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:43:06 PM   
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The destruction is very apparent from this angle.

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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:46:00 PM   
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RE: Pearl Harbor Photos - 5/10/2006 11:56:59 PM   
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Amazing that they caught the event on film. You can even see the mainmast start to fall foward if you look closely enough before the whole forward part of the ship is enveloped by smoke.

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