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If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:01:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you could have one Allied A/C that is not currently in any of the Mods or stock what would it be and why?

If there is an aircraft in one mod that isn't found anywhere else and you think it should be, that qualifies too.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:30:11 AM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:41:01 AM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 9:48:56 AM   
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Avro Aero?


why? Justify it.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 10:10:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure what is in every mod, but the plane I'd like to see added most would be the P-38L. Not 100% on this, but I think it was the most commonly produced variant.


And any scenario that goes to late 45/46:
F8F Bearcat
Typhoon/Tempest
P-80 Shooting Star
The Japanese Jets (not sure what they were called)

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 10:22:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh goody...more planes that can shoot down 50 Zero's in under a minute.

F8F would be interesting but how would one rate it? Slightly better than the Hellcat?

Japanese jets were basically modified Me-262's, I forget their names at the moment. While some were made by their surrender some people might disagree with their addition for a million reasons.

Seems like a waste of time to add planes that are either too late for any action (the war is over already) or simply aren't needed, do you really need those extra 4 kills per lost plane/pilot?

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 11:30:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if i wanted to shoot down 50 Zero's in under a minute I'd pick the F-86 Sabre.

I'll agree with you that they are not needed in the game (except maybe the P-38L), but it would certainly make it more historically accurate if they were availible in realistic amounts (no 5,000 P-80's sweeping the skies of Japan daily).

As for how one would rate an F8F, I'm not sure of its exact specs but I think somewhere around the same as a Hellcat, maybe a little faster, more manueverable with an excellent climb rate?

Anyway without giving too much away, I will say I've been playtesting BigB's upcoming mod, and the air combat in that has very believable outcomes. Might be worth looking at if you're tired of one-sided slaughters on both sides.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 11:59:16 AM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 12:59:35 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 1:00:46 PM   
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And any scenario that goes to late 45/46:
F8F Bearcat
Typhoon/Tempest
P-80 Shooting Star
The Japanese Jets (not sure what they were called)


All of these already exist in various mods. And the Japanese jet was called the Nakajima Kikka.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 1:23:28 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 1:28:49 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 1:35:53 PM   
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Max speed 460mph
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 2:07:27 PM   
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Like the the Fairey Battle it was used by the Empire Air Training Scheme but unlike the Battle, the Anson equiped front line squadrons engaged on coastal ASW patrols for a time.

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No.66 Squadron May'43 - Jan'44 Bundaberg* QLD
No.67 Squadron Jan'43 - Nov'45 Melbourne VIC (Laverton)
No.71 Squadron Jan'43 - Aug'44 Lowood QLD, Coffs Harbour NSW
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 2:12:36 PM   
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CA-15
The Australian upgrade of the Mustang


Please don't perpetrate that myth. It was completely indigenous.

In fact, it looked a bit like an FW-190 at one stage of design....

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 2:20:15 PM   
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The P&W R-2800 was never made available.

But why didnt anyone else try the Griffon in a Mustang??

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 2:34:38 PM   
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Oh goody...more planes that can shoot down 50 Zero's in under a minute.

F8F would be interesting but how would one rate it? Slightly better than the Hellcat?

Japanese jets were basically modified Me-262's, I forget their names at the moment. While some were made by their surrender some people might disagree with their addition for a million reasons.

Seems like a waste of time to add planes that are either too late for any action (the war is over already) or simply aren't needed, do you really need those extra 4 kills per lost plane/pilot?


The F8F was a point defense interceptor--the lightest airframe that could be powered by its engine. High RoC, not a large bombload nor long range. The F7F was an anti-bomber destroyer (like the Tomcat). The F4U and F6F were traditional multi-purpose high-performance fighters, with the F4U being particularly useful as a fighter bomber. The F6F was more forgiving in carrier operations.

The Sea Fury was the naval version of the F86.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 2:56:11 PM   
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Oh goody...more planes that can shoot down 50 Zero's in under a minute.

F8F would be interesting but how would one rate it? Slightly better than the Hellcat?

Japanese jets were basically modified Me-262's, I forget their names at the moment. While some were made by their surrender some people might disagree with their addition for a million reasons.

Seems like a waste of time to add planes that are either too late for any action (the war is over already) or simply aren't needed, do you really need those extra 4 kills per lost plane/pilot?


The F8F was a point defense interceptor--the lightest airframe that could be powered by its engine. High RoC, not a large bombload nor long range. The F7F was an anti-bomber destroyer (like the Tomcat). The F4U and F6F were traditional multi-purpose high-performance fighters, with the F4U being particularly useful as a fighter bomber. The F6F was more forgiving in carrier operations.

The Sea Fury was the naval version of the F86.

You pays your money and makes your choice.


the Bearcat made a respectable Fighter Bomber, the French used them in Vietnam in the ground attack mode. Not long range though and the French didnt have the belly tanks. With Internal fuel it could go 1100 miles and with a belly tank over 1900 miles.

The Hawker Sea Fury is a totally different aircraft from the North American FJ-2 Fury which was an F-86E development

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 3:03:59 PM   
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The Sea Fury was the naval version of the F86.

I think the Sea Fury he is referring to is the Hawker Sea Fury (as used by the Royal Australian Navy post war). It is the naval version of the Hawker Fury which itself is a light weight radial engined derivative of the Tempest series.

A very nice machine....

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 3:07:34 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 3:51:56 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 4:49:30 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:12:06 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:26:32 PM   
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The Japanese Jets (not sure what they were called)


They made a prototype inferior knockoff of the ME-262 that made it to the equivalent of "x-designation" that they were unable to build owing to lack of strategic resources. The also had an ME-163 knock off prototype that never flew. Of the two, it's more plausible that they'd have been able to build ME-163s because they were designed not to use strategic resources and had a very simple hypergolic rocket motor.

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:29:33 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:30:03 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:32:04 PM   
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specially with going after the bridges of toko-ri


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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:32:51 PM   
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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 8:40:21 PM   
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The Japanese Jets (not sure what they were called)


They made a prototype inferior knockoff of the ME-262 that made it to the equivalent of "x-designation" that they were unable to build owing to lack of strategic resources. The also had an ME-163 knock off prototype that never flew. Of the two, it's more plausible that they'd have been able to build ME-163s because they were designed not to use strategic resources and had a very simple hypergolic rocket motor.


Actually, the Shusui (Jap Komet) did fly. All of one time...

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RE: If you could have one Allied A/C... - 5/23/2006 9:34:42 PM   
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