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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/10/2006 4:06:42 AM   
itsjustme

 

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Status: offline 		Fair point on the buffaloes. I candidly didn't notice it until I was well out of Pearl (the carriers have just been hanging out). Thats no good excuse, but its the one I've got.

I was inside 4 hexes, so they should have flown. I'm guessing weather.

Thanks for the input Mogami, a player of your caliber is welcome anytime.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/10/2006 4:45:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, It could not have been weather. A TF in weather cannot launch a strike and it can't be the target of a strike so if you could be hit you could hit back. Check the range for your SBD. CV bombers attacking enemy CV do not require the escorts that land based groups require or that CV groups require to attack land targets.
But the Kate has a torpedo range of 4 and these strikes carried bombs.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/10/2006 9:25:27 AM   
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i had similar aggresive strategy but with allied player refusing major fight and retreating to strong position with concentrated force i had to leave this strategy before half 42
-also in my opinion Nemo is extremaly short on supplies so his offensive will soon loose teeth

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/10/2006 10:39:01 PM   
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What is really frustrating is that I got no flights from my carrier aircraft. Really frustrating as I feel like this is was a good early opportunity to put a little ordinance on target and send a flattop or two to the repair yard (or better). Instead, I lost a number of transports and some escort ships. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but certainly I should have had somewhat better results.


It looks like weather interfered even more with your operations than his. I have to wonder about Mogami's comment that TF's in weather can neither strike nor be struck. It seems to me possible that the game now is a bit more sophisticated; perhaps a half-hour lull in the wind allows a small strike to be flown off?

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/11/2006 3:34:15 AM   
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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/12/2006 7:09:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		And so the battle for india begins.....



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/26/42

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ASW attack at 115,60

Japanese Ships
SS RO-61, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Blue
DD Bagley
DD Russell
DD Hughes
DD Sims

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ASW attack at 42,52

Japanese Ships
APD APD-46
APD APD-39
APD APD-38
APD APD-37
APD APD-36
APD APD-35
APD APD-33
APD APD-31
APD APD-2
APD APD-1

Allied Ships
SS S-39, hits 1

The sub battle across the pacific has been brutal. He's destroyed more of mine than I of his, but more of mine are on the way to replace the destroyed.

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 293
Ki-49 Helen x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 152

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 16000 feet

Candidly I don't know what he is waiting for, Singapore is all but out of supply and available for the pickings.

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Day Air attack on TF at 17,28


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 14
Martin 139 x 7
Beaufort V-IX x 15


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
MSW W.14
DD Asagao
AP Nissen Maru
DD Fuyo
AP Rakuyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tatuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Yawata Maru
AP Nichibi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Kashiwara Maru

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
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This was decent, but not nearly enough. I've reset the altitude for 5000 feet for the next turn in the hopes that we'll get a few more hits on the incoming landings.

Day Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
B5N Kate x 115

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PG Freesia, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pakenham, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nestor, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Auricula, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Romney, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Thrilled that this was what got hit. I've got a few more diverionary task forces out there.

Day Air attack on TF at 17,28


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Martin 139 x 6
Beaufort V-IX x 12


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Nichiryo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Fuyo
AP Yasukuni Maru
MSW W.14
AP Kyushu Maru
AP Yawata Maru

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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At least my guys are targeting the right kind of ships. Lets see if we get better shots next turn.

Day Air attack on TF at 13,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
B5N Kate x 93

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 13 destroyed, 57 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Resolution, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 1
BB Ramilles
BB Royal Sovereign, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Revenge, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA Van Heemskerck
CA Dorsetshire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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This was painful. I was hoping thatthe heavies would suffer a bit less, but truthfully I was expecting at least another week before the invasion began and so hadn't properly set up the long range cap over these task forces. I've got some additional CAP over these task forces now, but it may be too late.
Day Air attack on TF at 16,24

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Empire Onyx, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Jalatarang, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
TK Empire Norse, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at 45,50

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30773 troops, 304 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 638

Defending force 2280 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 41

Japanese max assault: 586 - adjusted assault: 285

Allied max defense: 27 - adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 71 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 23,47

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10436 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 55

Defending force 3220 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 2

Japanese max assault: 45 - adjusted assault: 22

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1



Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6782 troops, 135 guns, 6 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 9

Defending force 1453 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 16


Japanese ground losses:
433 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



This is proving to be more interesting than I thought. There are more troops on the way I am sure, but with IJNs heavies engaged elsewhere and plenty of supply at Canton, I will give a hot welcome to any additional landing forces.

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Ground combat at Yanam

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 126 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 29

Defending force 5329 troops, 36 guns, 4 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 24

Japanese max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 2

Allied max defense: 24 - adjusted defense: 24

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)


Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

At least for now, this is the key landing area. I've got an armored brigade on the way. Query how quickly he can reinforce. Lets see.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/12/2006 5:26:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you can, use your Beauforts at range 4 and from a base size of 4 to ensure they carry torpedoes. They are the best anti-ship weapon you have early in the war.
I usually convert my 8 plane squadrons of Aussie Hudson's to them.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/12/2006 5:54:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Feb 42 and your CV are still flying Buffaloes? Because the IJN Kates were using bombs not torpedos I'm guessing you were out of range. (Japan range 5 USN range 4 before new torpedo planes come out)


Historically they were still flying Buffaloes into April 42 due to a lack of F4Fs of all makes and Lex making all sorts of operational deployments.


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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/12/2006 10:12:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Feb 42 and your CV are still flying Buffaloes? Because the IJN Kates were using bombs not torpedos I'm guessing you were out of range. (Japan range 5 USN range 4 before new torpedo planes come out)


Historically they were still flying Buffaloes into April 42 due to a lack of F4Fs of all makes and Lex making all sorts of operational deployments.



Hi, Ron that is true. But it is not required in WITP for it to be true. (Lex could have been held back and fighter group upgraded.)

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/14/2006 6:10:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Catastrophe in India. Tricomolee has fallen, of the entire Royal Navy contingent about 4 destroyers remain fully operational with 2-3 heavy crusiers possibly surving to reach Karachi. 2 damaged BBs in Karachi currently. Colombo should hold for another week or so, but all aircraft are being evacuated as land based combat aircraft are shredding them. It appears that there are 5-6 full divisions ashore and driving on Madras. Bangalore has fallen. Infantry divisions in eastern india along with their support troops are withdrawing towards Bombay and Karachi. I've decided that with the coastal defenses breached and the navy all but destroyed to hole up in Karachi. With two full UK divisions and an Armored brigade fully prepped and entrenched, I am hopeful that Karachi will hold until reinforcements arrive.

Question for the board: Will the navy/airforce/ground unit reinforcemens scheduled to arrive in other indian cities arrive in Karachi if those cities fall before their arrival?


Meanwhile, in the Pacific, I am prepping what I hope will be a couple of surprises. First, I am going to make a diversionary landing in Koepang with an australian division and support units. To the extent that there are KB elements in the eastern pacific, which I believe there are, I think Nemo will have to respect this landing as it will open up his oilfields to 4E bombers. When the KB reacts, I expect to launch simulaneous assaults against Amchikta, Palmyra and Johnson Island.

The forces attacking Amchikta will be covered completely by LBA as dutch harbor is now a hornets nest of heavy bombers flying from a lvl 4 airfield. The forces striking Palmyra will be covered by 5 US carriers which as soon as the landing forces are ashore, will turn to cover the follow on assault on Johnson.


Alot of the timing for these operations will be dependent on how quickly (and badly) things go in India.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/14/2006 7:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you will receive those units scheduled to other cities. If I'am correct they should arrive at Karachi.

It really sounds like a bad situation ...He does control Bangalore, Madras region???

Can you post an screenshot on situation at India?

Have he made any serious offensives in Eastern part of Inda or is he just pushing up through Madras area towards Karachi?

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/14/2006 7:21:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll try and post a screenshot from the next turn. He controls bangalore and will control Madras after the next turn. No real push from Eastern India and all of my divisions (save one holding Ledo) are now moving north to Karachi and Bombay along with their support units. If I can hold Karachi until the british reinforcements begin to show (already two full UK divisions prepped to 100 and with ft. lvl 9 at Karachi) I can at least tie down a ton of his forces.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/14/2006 8:17:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: itsjustme

I'll try and post a screenshot from the next turn. He controls bangalore and will control Madras after the next turn. No real push from Eastern India and all of my divisions (save one holding Ledo) are now moving north to Karachi and Bombay along with their support units. If I can hold Karachi until the british reinforcements begin to show (already two full UK divisions prepped to 100 and with ft. lvl 9 at Karachi) I can at least tie down a ton of his forces.



I think it is wise backtrack those units back from Ledo area. It is early on in the war... March 1942? That means you will find it tough going since British really lack infantry.

Btw do you have adequate fighter cover in India?

He will be coming with force and 2 UK Divisions will not be enough to stop him for significant amount of time.

Good luck though. Hopefully you can pull this one off

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/14/2006 9:17:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we are in March of 1942. I don't know whether or not those Indian Divisions will make it to Karachi before Nemo, but I may have an opportunity to cut his units off for a while with those units. As to holding out, I think you'll be surprised. I won't have a supply problem in Karachi, its currently a level 9 fortress. Combine that with two divisions with about 340AV each, fully prepped for Karachi, plus the urban bonus, plus the HQ bonus? I suspect he will have a harder time than he thinks. I only need to hold for another 35 days before additional AV reinforcements show up.

Not nearly enough fighter cover in India, but I do have a good bit. Biggest problem is I left him alot of fuel to refuel the KB in Tricom (and he'll get more when he takes columbo).

It'll be very interesting. That said, I will ultimately win. There's not much he can do to stop the ultimate flood of men and material from the CONUS.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 4:05:14 AM   
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It'll be very interesting. That said, I will ultimately win. There's not much he can do to stop the ultimate flood of men and material from the CONUS.


He will, however, be able to claim a moral victory at the end of 1942 when his points are enough for the auto-win rule. It's a great pity about your losses in the Indian Ocean: I was hoping to see the RN give a better account of itself. How soon do you get Spitfires for your fighter squadrons in the area?

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 6:08:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect that Nemo will not claim a moral victory. This game was intended to be an Anarchy game from the outset. As I think Nemo would readily admit, without the full exploitation of the movement opportunities in the first turn, we would still be fighting over the DEI. This, however, is the game I agreed to and the discussion all along has been that we are not playing for points.

Spitfires are a ways off, and the Royal Navy just simply wasn't able to catch the IJN fleeton the invasion beaches. One day here or there and things would have been different, but alas, such are the fortunes of war. I suspect again that Nemo would agree that he was more lucky than good as the surface engagements go. He did, however, exploit his good fortune VERY well.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 7:08:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, I doubt also that without using Kwantung units in China he would not have won there as rapidly as he has been doing. And without using the map edge he would not be as successful. And without the first turn move he would not be in the line Islands and without looking at Allied deployments before turn 1 he would not have been able to be as exact in his force selection the list goes on. This type of game is fun (for the Japanese player) but you have to really enjoy pain to have fun as Allied player.

I hope you are able to counter some where before 1 Jan 1943. without the CBI/China/Soviets to worry about he can send massive land forces to all points of the map making it difficut for any Allied landings.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 11:15:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me the main issue is the map edge use... All the other things in an "anarchy rules" game are fine by me... As Trey put it though, IF he can bottle up in Karachi, with all the ground forces he has, it will be a tough nut to crack For NEmo, and he'll have the SAA very far from Pacific... Which means localised Counterattacks could be very efficient and get Trey staging point in the Pac for later on campaign... I guess KB will soon leave the Indian ocean for a bit of RR, and then head east.. So it might be time to strike... India is now about tying down the SAA as long as possible

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 5:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just for the record, I agreed to this kind of game. I have no problem with Nemo's tactics. I'll win, the only question is how long will it take. And don't think I haven't been using the games mechanics to my own benefit. For instance, if I can hold on to Karachi for about 4 more weeks, he is going to be pleasantly surprised when he finds a number of chinese divisions respawning in Karachi. A number have already respawned in Russia.

There are some attacks coming before too long that will at least push the perimeter back a touch. Johnson and Palmyra appear to be heavily defended, so I am trying to ensure that I have enough firepower to do the job correctly. Particularly for clearing out what appears to be a million mines at both places.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 5:07:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chinese respawn in Karachi ?? and russia ?? .. i never knew that ! well good for you 'itsjustme' .. Nemo is playing a very calculating game, i think you'll do well in the long run if you can hold out long enough.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 5:13:40 PM   
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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 8:00:55 PM   
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Your opponent can free up way too many divisions and supporting units. He can place some divisions to important Atolls and you will have it tough going by then.

As said good luck and hopefully you can pull off this "miracle" at India. I would recommend you to read PzB's thread. There are lessons to be learned concerning India.

I do actually agree with Mogami.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/15/2006 10:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		ABs extended map really hinders the Japanese ability to pull this kind of map edge funny business, at least regarding bases. Convoys are still an issue but if a Jap player wants to limit his CVs to the Indian Ocean just to prevent unneeded supply convoys to OZ (even in CHS OZ has too much supply generation), be my guest!

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 4:51:28 AM   
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A brief update is warranted, but I really have more of a question for the board.

First, the update.

India is in real trouble. Nemo's first armored unit is on Karachi's doorstep. So, let me tell you what is currently in Karachi:

2 full strength UK divisions
2 understrength indian divisions (but which should grow somewhat due to the overwhelming support and unlimited supply)
partial armored brigade that should regrow to a full brigade once bombay falls (which is where the rest of the brigade is)
All of the support and engineering units I could want.
800,000 supply and growing
level 9 fort.
appropriate HQ support.
Everything is prepped for Karachi at 100

Seems like this should hold for sometime. So, the question is for how long. If the consensus is that it will hold for more than 60 days (currently in late march '42) then I am going to transfer some american units there. If not, I will just try and hold with what I have and what's coming.

So, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.

More to come on the interesting happenings in eastern pacific.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 11:39:03 AM   
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RAF?

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 5:04:42 PM   
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RAF consists of 80 modern fighters, 180 FB's of varying quality with the majority being hurris. 80 level bombers (mostly wellingtons and hudsons) and 24 TB's

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 5:55:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: itsjustme

Royal Navy got plastered off the coast of tricom. 1 fully operational British CV, 3 BB with sytem damage between 20-30, 2 CA and 1 CLAA with 20-30 system damage and 0-20 floatation damage. 8DD's pretty much unscathed. Various and assorted support vessels, but that's it.

RAF consists of 80 modern fighters, 180 FB's of varying quality with the majority being hurris. 80 level bombers (mostly wellingtons and hudsons) and 24 TB's



I hate to be the "bad" guy but I think you will need more to halt his advances there. Do you have Spitfires already?

Also RN would be useful of defending Karachi from anykind of a naval bombardments.

You asked whether Karachi can survive 60 days with those troops. In my opinion it depends whether he will control the skies above India. If you can defeat him with your RAF forces than you might have a slight chance. Otherwise I personally doubt it.

Tough days ahead.... Hopefully you can pull this one off.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 6:01:35 PM   
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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 10:34:24 PM   
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I was giving some thought to pulling the RN out of the harbor NorthWest and attempting ambush the IJN when they come calling. Thoughts?


I love a good naval combat as much as the next person, but I think it would be a mistake. The RN was savaged as a fighting force defending Ceylon. The one possibility is if you could make a move in the eastern Pacific, drawing off Nemo's carriers. The messages above are correct, I think: it all depends on how the struggle in the air goes.

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RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness - 5/24/2006 11:27:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Getting a coordinated air/ground attack up there depends a lot on luck. If he can get two powerful ground attacks from his lba and/or kb, he can basically zero out the av on your two full strength UK divs for that turn. Combined w/ however the hell many divs he has up there he can probably overpower the rest. Depends on the weather (usually awful) and if that affects his lba (doesn't seem to have that much effect on the IJAAF/IJNAF).

Hate to be gloomy but no spitfires, no rn, no chance. Look back at ADavidB's aar w/ PzB, it may give you a good idea as to what his oob was and how it compares to yours.

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