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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/11/2006 7:12:46 PM

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It's a shame that this board is so international, would like to sit down with you guys, have a beer and watch the movie. Every scene would be paused and we would have a go and have a generall laugh about the "wrongness" of every scene

We could even make a movie of ourselves watching the movie ... call it "Mystery Wargamer Theater 3000."

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/11/2006 7:21:43 PM

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"Please help me. I cannot load this game without, after Frankie de Laino intones "Yesterday," clicking to move on to the next screen while murmuring, "All my troubles seemed so far away...."

Past... so it's you I have to blame for that same problem... Sometimes I am able to click soon enough to only hear "Yes...". Somewhere along the line my mind started adding "we have no bananas" when I do that... Now you can suffer along with me.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/11/2006 10:06:24 PM

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A .50 caliber FMJ round, fired vertically, will penetrate a 1 inch pine board up to 5 feet under water. Fired on an oblique angle, the penetration is reduced by 1 foot.

A .30 caliber FMJ round, fired vertically, will not penetrate a 1 inch pine board at 2 feet under water.

Military FMJ rounds do not "explode" or expand. Under water they will simply expend their energy and sink. Whatever Mythbusters was firing was not what you would have been strafed with, that's for sure.

Either way, 5 feet under and you're good to go.

Anyone notice in Saving Private Ryan, in the opening scene showing a GI getting killed underwater by bullets, that the bullets were travelling through the water at more than 45 degrees? The Germans would have had to have been in a 200 foot tower right on the beach for that to happen :)

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/11/2006 11:33:28 PM

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Saw that episode too. Exploded may have been the wrong term. Disintegrated or fragmented is probably more accurate.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/12/2006 1:49:38 AM

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Kate Beckinsale!!!

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/12/2006 3:56:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2
It's a shame that this board is so international, would like to sit down with you guys, have a beer and watch the movie. Every scene would be paused and we would have a go and have a generall laugh about the "wrongness" of every scene

We could even make a movie of ourselves watching the movie ... call it "Mystery Wargamer Theater 3000."

I think you may be on to something there.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/12/2006 7:08:57 AM

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Anyone notice in Saving Private Ryan, in the opening scene showing a GI getting killed underwater by bullets, that the bullets were travelling through the water at more than 45 degrees? The Germans would have had to have been in a 200 foot tower right on the beach for that to happen :)

It could have ricochetted off something else first...

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/12/2006 7:15:44 AM

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Anyone notice in Saving Private Ryan, in the opening scene showing a GI getting killed underwater by bullets, that the bullets were travelling through the water at more than 45 degrees? The Germans would have had to have been in a 200 foot tower right on the beach for that to happen :)

It could have ricochetted off something else first...

Ah, but would a richochet still have the power to penetrate to that depth with sufficient velocity to kill?

Personally, I think they richocheted off an overhead dialog balloon inadvertently left in by the script writers

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/14/2006 3:53:31 AM

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Why the difference between left and right wing ammo?

All wings are not equal. As an aircraft contains a powerfull gyroscope in the form of an engine, the right wing (on most single engined aircraft where the engine turns clockwise as seen from the cockpit) has to generate more lift than the left to compensate for the torque of the engine. If you look really closely at an F4U Corsair, you will notice a small spoiler on the leading edge of the right wing. This is to reduce the effectiveness of the right airfoil in the event of a stall, so that both wings stall at the same speed. Without this small modification, a corsair tended to stall left wing first, resulting in a fatal spin at low altitude. Look further and you will note the vertical stabilizer and rudder assembly is offset to one side, so the pilot does not have to stand on the rudder when the engine is at take off power.

So there is a reason. The ammo load out is asymetrical to balance the load on both wings when the engine is running.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/16/2006 12:24:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2
It's a shame that this board is so international, would like to sit down with you guys, have a beer and watch the movie. Every scene would be paused and we would have a go and have a generall laugh about the "wrongness" of every scene

We could even make a movie of ourselves watching the movie ... call it "Mystery Wargamer Theater 3000."

I think you may be on to something there.

Make us watch cheesy WW2 movies and monitor our minds? Dr. Forester would be proud. That is evil!

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/26/2006 2:07:37 AM

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Kate Beckinsale!!!

It's the ONLY reason to watch that stupid movie.
Oh, and maybe James King too.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/29/2006 12:49:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: carnifex
A .50 caliber FMJ round, fired vertically, will penetrate a 1 inch pine board up to 5 feet under water. Fired on an oblique angle, the penetration is reduced by 1 foot.

A .30 caliber FMJ round, fired vertically, will not penetrate a 1 inch pine board at 2 feet under water.

Military FMJ rounds do not "explode" or expand. Under water they will simply expend their energy and sink. Whatever Mythbusters was firing was not what you would have been strafed with, that's for sure.

"Fragment" is generally the word used, and military FMJ rounds will indeed fragment on impact - in fact the current NATO standard 5.56mm round gets almost all of its killing power when it fragments on impact with flesh. Fragmentation depends on ammo type and velocity, generally a bullet will fragment on contact with human flesh anywhere above ~2800fps, water should be slightly harder durring a high-velocity impact, but the number should be about the same. Mythbusters didn't do a very good job of testing this as most of the weapons they used were either handguns (800-1100fps) or high-power rifles (2800-3200fps). The 2800fps number is based on FMJ ammo, while a AP, APSC, or SLAP round would improve water penetration it will also decrease the likelihood of a lethal wound should the round actually hit anyone. Mythbusters though was probably using standard civilian softpoint ammo, which would have made fragmentation more likely.

Now, I don't know as much about WWII aircraft weapons as modern systems, but don't most aircraft use explosive ammo to increase damage to other aircraft or ground targets? If that was indeed the case in WWII those rounds should not have penetrated water at all but simply exploded on impact.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/29/2006 3:28:18 PM

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Actually PH follows in a long and distinguished Hollywood tradition of ignoring history and common sense, just making it up as the script goes along. Remember these classics?

The totally bland MIDWAY

- Not an F4F in sight.

The oscar-winning PATTON

- German M48s (Pattons!) vs US M41s in North Africa.

The ridiculous U-571

- valiant American sailors steal a U-boat in the middle of the Atlantic, then have to fight off German subs, destroyers and single-engined fighters.

And the truly awful BATTLE OF THE BULGE

- same tank lineup as PATTON, with the valiant American defenders immolating Panzermeister Robert Shaw by rolling barrels of gasoline at him.

But let us acknowledge the valiant few, those noble producers and directors who actually try to get it right (usually by hiring Dale Dye).

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN - sure, the storyline didn't make sense (as the GIs kept repeating throughout the movie) but every piece of gear in that movie looked right; who else has tried to realistically recreate German halftracks, towed AA guns, Kettenrads, Marders and Tigers in one movie? I really appreciated the effort.

PLATOON - Vietnam's a little easier to get right, all the original hardware is still lying around; but this was still a beautifully made film.

BATTLEFRONT - A classic; haunting B&W character study of a platoon of Screaming Eagles at Bastogne.

and my personal favorite ...

KELLY'S HEROES - quite possibly the greatest war movie ever made

(just discovered that the Tigers (actually T34s with implants) used in this film were used again in PVT RYAN).

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/29/2006 4:05:16 PM

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The ridiculous U-571 - valiant American sailors steal a U-boat in the middle of the Atlantic, then have to fight off German subs, destroyers and single-engined fighters.

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/29/2006 6:28:26 PM

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forget it, new board software doesn't seem to be working right

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RE: I just saw "the movie that shall not be named&... - 5/30/2006 4:22:16 AM

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lol, didn't mind U-571 actually, not accurate at all really but still an entertaining movie - kinda; only enough to make me see it once though.

And for the movies that got it right, Blackhawk Down is definitely among the top 5 or so.

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