Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

The USN AO Kankakee arrives at San Francisco (in late July '42 I think) with Endurance of '-11072'. When formed into a TF and replenished it increases to '100'. Don't know the slot number (how do you see the slot number on ships anyway?).

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

Comments about NEI Korps Insulade.

1. It must be Korps Insulinde. And it was not a NEI unit. Because 80 to 85% arrives from Europe.

2. There first Commander is Maj. Mollinger F.

3. They where all from medio march in training in Camp D by Colombo Ceylon. The unit is formed and battleready from 1 augustus 1942.

4. They had never mortars.

5. And the HQ must be UK South East Asia. ABDA had all surrend

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
Raider Brigades (Airborne).

The Dai I Teishin Dan (1st Raiding Brigade) exist early 1942 out
Brigade HQ (Col Seiichi Kume)
1st Raiding Regt (Maj Takeo Takeda)
2nd Raiding Regt (Maj Takeo Komura)
Raiding Flying Regt ( Maj Akihito Niihara) (Airforce)
   (4 Transport Companies each 12x  Hickory or Topsy a/c)
Airfield Comapny

Raiding Regt 1942
Regt HQ
1st, 2nd and 3rd Rifle Companies
   each Co HQ
   3x Rifle Platoon each 3 sections (each 1 LMG, 2x or 3x Grenade dischargers)
   HMG Platoon (2 or more HMGs)
   AT Section (1x 3.7cm AT Gun or 1x 2cm AT Rifle or 1x 3.7cm Infantry gun)
4th Engineer Co.
   Co HQ
   3x Engineer Platoon

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
Raider Brigades (Airborne).

The Dai I Teishin Dan (1st Raiding Brigade) exist early 1942 out
Brigade HQ (Col Seiichi Kume)
1st Raiding Regt (Maj Takeo Takeda)
2nd Raiding Regt (Maj Takeo Komura)
Raiding Flying Regt ( Maj Akihito Niihara) (Airforce)
   (4 Transport Companies each 12x  Hickory or Topsy a/c)
Airfield Comapny

Raiding Regt 1942
Regt HQ
1st, 2nd and 3rd Rifle Companies
   each Co HQ
   3x Rifle Platoon each 3 sections (each 1 LMG, 2x or 3x Grenade dischargers)
   HMG Platoon (2 or more HMGs)
   AT Section (1x 3.7cm AT Gun or 1x 2cm AT Rifle or 1x 3.7cm Infantry gun)
4th Engineer Co.
   Co HQ
   3x Engineer Platoon

I do not understand the significance of this comment?

Greetings from the Netherlands

Jo van der Pluym
CrazyDutch

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

Comments about NEI Korps Insulade.

1. It must be Korps Insulinde. And it was not a NEI unit. Because 80 to 85% arrives from Europe.

2. There first Commander is Maj. Mollinger F.

3. They where all from medio march in training in Camp D by Colombo Ceylon. The unit is formed and battleready from 1 augustus 1942.

4. They had never mortars.

5. And the HQ must be UK South East Asia. ABDA had all surrend

Nice comments all - except WHAT nation or service abbreviation should be used? I assume they are still NEI in exile. Is this incorrect?

Edit: I seem to have lost this unit: what slot do you see it in?

Greetings from the Netherlands

Jo van der Pluym
CrazyDutch

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ORIGINAL: Hipper

Sorry cant resist putting my oar in about Indominables air group one last time

"And there is one carrier with no air group - for two months. Because she was used to ferry fighters to Singapore. I hope the planes appear on board when intended. In RHSPPO I will put the planes on board from Dec 1941 - and players can land them if they want to."

I suppose my point is that HMS indominable arrived at Aden with her full air group, it was then unloaded while she ferried hurricanes to Java .... That may have or may not have been the best use of HMS indominable However you are forcing this choice on players rather than letting them decide for themselves what they want to do !  

minor rant over  Its a very minor point in the sceme of things

Hipper


Well - someone else ranted she is not available at all until February 1942!
Normally I would say "you can't have it both ways." And there is the matter of sending planes to Singapore: but in our game I am doubtful the Hurricanes EVER get sent there - much less brigades of troops! Players are not playing historically anyway - they tend to EVACUATE Malaya rather than reinforce it - and AI certainly does that. So a lot of this "I want pure history" stuff is pure bunk. Nevertheless,

I think you can have it both ways. I have decided - and tried to post above - to let the air group be on her in RHSPPO and RHSESO - in the main because these are games in which players get a lot more political control (in the form of political points) - and players who don't want that won't be playing them - and also because those games are structurally designed for an Allied team playing DIFFERENT options from srict history: who is to say she MUST ferry planes to Singapore with a DIFFERENT strategy? Answer: you the player. It seems actually correct in such a scenario.

RHSCVO (and the Russian Active variation) is supposed to be nearly Scenario 15 - just with RHS planes, geography, ships, economics, and land units. RSHBBO (and the Russian passive variation) is supposed to be the same thing with planned shipbuilding left in place for both sides.
Being the same - we keep it the same. RHSPPO is supposed to free players up a bit politics wise - but is based on RHSBBO ships - since it is assumed that most people willing to "do it different" will want the different ships options. RHSESO is a Japan enhansed scenario, and it must be more CVO like, although it keeps some of the few best things of BBO plans, since Japan cannot optimize without being carrier focused. It gives CVO players the political options, and it gives the AI as Japan the best chance of being competative - as well as being designed for the pleasure of JFBs: If Japan is to have a chance the kind of planning done for Malaya needs to be done theater wide; Yamashita's reforms to the Army need not to be shelved; the creation of the planned Grand Escort Command needs not to be delayed too long; and the same for the "Japanese Albert Speer" re economics. Both scenarios make it reasonable the Allies are not entirely tied to history.

But you can go too far down that road: Why not make Japan first the US strategy? Why not transfer MORE ships from outside to PTO? CHS has 2/3 of C-47s in lend lease sent to PTO (30 per month of a total of 45 per month): why not do that for every kind of plane, and make it 3/4 to boot?
Somewhere one must draw the line - and really major changes along these lines are ones all modders seem to be avoiding - correctly I believe.

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ORIGINAL: Hipper

 
832 Squadron is indeed Avengers - and it may be a one line slip in the field - but if we do this it costs the ship a month - because they do not go to the ship until January.

should not be a problem Cid   It looks like the ship arrives in Nomea in May 17th

Refitted at Norfolk Navy Yard USA, winter 1942-43, after which she was loaned to the US Pacific Fleet until being replaced by USS Essex. Despite its massive industrial muscle, the United States still found itself short of carriers in the Pacific, the only American carrier available in the South Pacific was USS Saratoga. HMS Victorious sailed to Pearl Harbor to join USS Saratoga's Battle Group, Task Force 14. She arrived and took up duties under Task Force 14 in the the Southwest Pacific on 17th May 1943. Renamed the USS Robin, she embarked US aircraft and aircrew, and with the Saratoga swept the Soloman Islands, whilst Saratoga embarked all the strike squadrons including the Fleet Air Arm 832 Squadron Avengers.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again



Well, we can't make her arrive in Noumea on May 17th! Noumea may well not be Allied by then (and won't be if I play Japan). Better give her time to transit from Panama - call it May 1st. The problem with that is that CHS has her appearing by February - and I found material saying she was assigned to US forces in October the previous year. If this is when she arrives, that solves my 832 squadron problems. [832 seems also to have served on USS Saratoga for a spell - possibly to learn our tactics?]

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ORIGINAL: Hipper

Hi Cid

one thing noted   you have the Hurricane IIc starting at coming into service on 5/43..... do you mean 5/42

The Indian air force was converting to Hurricane IIc's by June 42

History of Sqn
No. 4 Squadron of the IAF was born in the war at  Peshawar on 01 Feb 1942.  The Squadron was first equipped with Lysander aircraft.  The Second World war was in its third year and Japanese forces were advancing towards India's eastern frontiers.   Within a few days, the Sqn moved to Kohat in NWEP.
In 1942 the Squadron moved on a detachment to Hyderabad (Sind) to operate in support of the Army during operations against the Hurs.  The Indian   Army was then dealing with the insurrection instigated by the Fakir of Ippi.
During 1942 the Squadron also operated Lysander detachments from Miranshah, a forward base in the NWEP, for action against insurgent Pathan tribals.  During this period the Sqn operated its aircraft as bombers, besides carrying out its Army air co-operations role, tactical recce and mail dropping missions.
In June 1942, the Sqn moved to the RAF station at Risalpur, near Rawalpindi, for converting onto Huricane fighter bombers.  The coversion training was completed by August 1942 and No. 4 Sqn moved to Phaphamau to collect its branch new Huricane IIC aircraft.
 
from http://www.indianairforce.nic.in/afsqnmain1.htm
 
its the indian air force's web site
 
cheers hipper

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Hipper

Hi Cid

one thing noted   you have the Hurricane IIc starting at coming into service on 5/43..... do you mean 5/42

The Indian air force was converting to Hurricane IIc's by June 42

History of Sqn
No. 4 Squadron of the IAF was born in the war at  Peshawar on 01 Feb 1942.  The Squadron was first equipped with Lysander aircraft.  The Second World war was in its third year and Japanese forces were advancing towards India's eastern frontiers.   Within a few days, the Sqn moved to Kohat in NWEP.
In 1942 the Squadron moved on a detachment to Hyderabad (Sind) to operate in support of the Army during operations against the Hurs.  The Indian   Army was then dealing with the insurrection instigated by the Fakir of Ippi.
During 1942 the Squadron also operated Lysander detachments from Miranshah, a forward base in the NWEP, for action against insurgent Pathan tribals.  During this period the Sqn operated its aircraft as bombers, besides carrying out its Army air co-operations role, tactical recce and mail dropping missions.
In June 1942, the Sqn moved to the RAF station at Risalpur, near Rawalpindi, for converting onto Huricane fighter bombers.  The coversion training was completed by August 1942 and No. 4 Sqn moved to Phaphamau to collect its branch new Huricane IIC aircraft.
 
from http://www.indianairforce.nic.in/afsqnmain1.htm
 
its the indian air force's web site
 
cheers hipper

Well - I have noticed the British tend to discount the Commonwealth.
They claim that No 176 Squadron was the first to use the IIC in the Far East. Confusingly, this is described as a night fighter unit - which seems odd for a non-night figher aircraft (I guess Japan was not alone operating non-radar planes in that role). This is not an issue in other scenarios because they didn't add the Indian Air Force in a comprehensive way. I allow planes from the time they can be operational. If aircraft were being delivered to the unit in August 1942 that means they theoretically could have begun operations in September.

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the only problem I have with this is that 183 also seems to be KGV.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again


That means Centurion 227

Greetings from the Netherlands

Jo van der Pluym
CrazyDutch

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

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ORIGINAL: el cid again


That means Centurion 227

Centurion


Sorry for asking do you mean the Centurion Tank.

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Turns out the original KGV also should point at art bitmap 187 as well. This is all fixed in RHS 2.599 - the last intended release before 2.60 -