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Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 4:13:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a list online that rates the merits of the scenarios included in the new edition of the game?

If not is there a rating somewhere of all scenarios I can examine?

Of the scenarios included in the "classic TOAW" and the new WWII East Front folder, which Eastern Front scenarios are good, especially against the computer?

I only need a few to get me going. There is some scenario overlap and want to see the system showcased in its best light.

Thanks in advance for the help!
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 5:11:50 AM   
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 5:50:15 AM   
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Is there a list online that rates the merits of the scenarios included in the new edition of the game?

If not is there a rating somewhere of all scenarios I can examine?

Of the scenarios included in the "classic TOAW" and the new WWII East Front folder, which Eastern Front scenarios are good, especially against the computer?

I only need a few to get me going. There is some scenario overlap and want to see the system showcased in its best light.

Thanks in advance for the help!

I'd reccomend staying away from the Classic TOAW scenarios without a specific one that's been reccomended. Some of the scenarios are a bit dodgy, any of the rest should be OK.

I can reccomend Korea 50-51 in the Classic folder highly. There are several threads on this forum if you poke around.

There are also 4 tutorials.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 2:36:55 PM   
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I'd reccomend staying away from the Classic TOAW scenarios without a specific one that's been reccomended. Some of the scenarios are a bit dodgy, any of the rest should be OK.


That is the kind of what I suspected, if only for the fact that players went on to create essentially the same scenario subject as the original contained. Thanks for that info.

What about good really good East Front scenarios, any specific ones?


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 4:21:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe suggest # of units, turns or timeframe. Or if you're totally new to TOAW just indicate amount of time you have to go with and period (even within Eastern Front WWII) and I'm sure you'll get plenty of replies. There's a lot of interest in this period out there.

Hell if you're really lucky maybe a PBEM opponent though if new you might want to wait a while.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/9/2006 7:34:33 PM   
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Or if you're totally new to TOAW just indicate amount of time you have to go with and period (even within Eastern Front WWII) and I'm sure you'll get plenty of replies.


I'm thinking that any period or length is good, tho late war East Front is my favorite. Length doesn't really matter, since I can save it to the HD. I'm not interesting in fighting the whole of the East Front to completion at this point tho.

I am new to the game but I think I'm picking it up pretty fast...

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/10/2006 1:29:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Others may chime in here hopefully, but try Korsun 44 as something smaller to get an idea of what the Germans faced at the time- like total disaster.

The Finnish front in 44 has some IMO excellent scenarios. There's even a Hungary 1945 scenario.

Like everyone trying to learn how to ride this bicycle, I'd suggest you be the judge of the quality of the scenario. That way you learn more- the play balance of some scenarios can be desperate, as it was on the day.

A lot of scenarios are available for download at Rugged Defence. Or check the various wargaming ladders (Blitz, SZO, RD etc...) by clicking on a scenario of interest to get an idea of play balance.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/11/2006 9:12:36 PM   
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There's even a Hungary 1945 scenario


That is a situation which I am from a gaming point of view, forever tied to.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/11/2006 10:45:01 PM   
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/11/2006 11:16:20 PM   
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 12:07:02 AM   
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Any suggestions for best modern scenario to play - don't mind what theatre. Was thinking about that Bulge 2000 job.


I've been playing Saddam's Final Gamble 2003.

A lot to do, and a HUGE map. Of course you will slice through the Iraqis like a hot knife through warm butter...

It is a biaotch to negotiate this huge map and keep your troops supplied at the same time.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 2:53:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it possible to make a poll with the names of the stock scenario's provided with the game for people to vote whether they like the scenario or not?

There may be something like this already but I'm a noob to TOAW III ... or TOAW anything.

The one I've looked at so far that seems like a lot of fun is Rundstedts Plan Martin (The Ardennes Offensive by another name); and I like the Kursk battle that included the whole bulge (can't remember the name) ... division level units.

I like it !!
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 6:50:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone have an opinion on Tannenburg? I am ordering the game next week and this is the scenario that I am most interested in.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 7:30:03 AM   
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Does anyone have an opinion on Tannenburg? I am ordering the game next week and this is the scenario that I am most interested in.

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Oh....you wanted to know what the opinion was?

It's one of the tutorial scenarios, and is a nice little WWI scenario. Favors the Germans, but can be be fought to a draw, with a little luck, against an evenly skilled opponent, when playing as the Russians. Without a little luck, expect a marginal defeat. A bad spanking, if you're outclassed.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 7:32:10 AM   
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It is a biaotch to negotiate this huge map and keep your troops supplied at the same time.


As a member of the G-4 for IMEF during OIF, I would say the designer of the scenario in question has obviously hit the nail on the head here.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 8:01:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ardennes '44 is nicely done. It's a conversion of the boardgame by the same name - a smaller sized scenario than the Ardennes scenario that came with the game.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 8:12:11 AM   
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Ardennes '44 is nicely done. It's a conversion of the boardgame by the same name - a smaller sized scenario than the Ardennes scenario that came with the game.

There's a rather significant problem with that scenario though, in that there are several US units that are overassigned equipment, and because of the way the engine doles out replacement inventory, it means that that piece does not get disbursed to the other units that need it. IIRC, it is the M4/75's that are affected. To solve this problem, you would need to open the Force Editor and go through the OOB for the Allies. For each unit with y/x pieces of equipment, where y>x, you need to select the equipment from the equipment list in the right pane, then hit "Enter" for the current amount, to reset the x value to equal y.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 8:18:05 AM   
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Ardennes '44 is nicely done. It's a conversion of the boardgame by the same name - a smaller sized scenario than the Ardennes scenario that came with the game.

There's a rather significant problem with that scenario though, in that there are several US units that are overassigned equipment, and because of the way the engine doles out replacement inventory, it means that that piece does not get disbursed to the other units that need it. IIRC, it is the M4/75's that are affected. To solve this problem, you would need to open the Force Editor and go through the OOB for the Allies. For each unit with y/x pieces of equipment, where y>x, you need to select the equipment from the equipment list in the right pane, then hit "Enter" for the current amount, to reset the x value to equal y.


Will fixes like this be corrected in future patches?


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 9:09:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka


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Ardennes '44 is nicely done. It's a conversion of the boardgame by the same name - a smaller sized scenario than the Ardennes scenario that came with the game.

There's a rather significant problem with that scenario though, in that there are several US units that are overassigned equipment, and because of the way the engine doles out replacement inventory, it means that that piece does not get disbursed to the other units that need it. IIRC, it is the M4/75's that are affected. To solve this problem, you would need to open the Force Editor and go through the OOB for the Allies. For each unit with y/x pieces of equipment, where y>x, you need to select the equipment from the equipment list in the right pane, then hit "Enter" for the current amount, to reset the x value to equal y.


Will fixes like this be corrected in future patches?


These are scenario design issues, not engine problems. It will generally be up to scenario designers to take care of the problems that are in their scenarios. In any case, I don't believe the scenario being referred to, is included in TOAW III.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 9:34:35 AM   
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There's a rather significant problem with that scenario though, in that there are several US units that are overassigned equipment, and because of the way the engine doles out replacement inventory, it means that that piece does not get disbursed to the other units that need it. IIRC, it is the M4/75's that are affected. To solve this problem, you would need to open the Force Editor and go through the OOB for the Allies. For each unit with y/x pieces of equipment, where y>x, you need to select the equipment from the equipment list in the right pane, then hit "Enter" for the current amount, to reset the x value to equal y.

Ugh. Well, I guess if I ever delve into scenario design, this would be a good place to start tinkering. For now, it seems to play ok though I guess I have a significant edge as the Germans.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 10:06:42 AM   
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Ugh. Well, I guess if I ever delve into scenario design, this would be a good place to start tinkering. For now, it seems to play ok though I guess I have a significant edge as the Germans.

It is a fairly enjoyable, little scenario which offers a welcome break from playing monster scenarios. It just needs some clean up work done to it.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 10:48:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I like it. I'm doing a VASSAL module for the boardgame that inspired it (see: LINK). The boardgame is a nicely sized game as well, about 1 and 1/4 standard sized mapsheets, which translates to a fairly small scenario for TOAW. Makes one just wonder what the size of a printed map would be for some of the monster scenarios that TOAW has!

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 4:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there any known problems with Rundstedts Plan Martin ??

This scenario and the Zitadelle scenario are the two I'm learning the interface on.  This TAO scenario looks ... on the surface ... to be quite a nice Battle of the Bulge scenario (hypothetical of course).  I've only got about 5 moves into it so I haven't got far enough to know if there's any critical scoring imbalance issues.  This may be one I'll want to try pbem so it would be nice if I knew problems with it before I start one up.

Considering comments I see here, is there a place to read up on feedback regarding each scenario (besides the notes provided for each battle) ??

thanks

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 5:05:17 PM   
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It is a biaotch to negotiate this huge map and keep your troops supplied at the same time.


That would be what the airmobile troops are for.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 5:07:08 PM   
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As a member of the G-4 for IMEF during OIF, I would say the designer of the scenario in question has obviously hit the nail on the head here.


Yeah. The designer was also involved in the conventional campaign too, as I recall. The conventional fighting has the right feel to it, but I think the political aspects need work- otherwise the Iraqis don't have a chance.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:00:01 PM   
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It is a biaotch to negotiate this huge map and keep your troops supplied at the same time.


That would be what the airmobile troops are for.


You should of seen the Royal Commandos and Paras take Basra.

It would have made Queen and country proud. :)

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:01:49 PM   
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As a member of the G-4 for IMEF during OIF, I would say the designer of the scenario in question has obviously hit the nail on the head here.


Yeah. The designer was also involved in the conventional campaign too, as I recall. The conventional fighting has the right feel to it, but I think the political aspects need work- otherwise the Iraqis don't have a chance.


When I took Basra by force I lost -50 VP's due to the 'humanitarian crisis' which occured.

Some of this was made up for by the 30 points (iirc) Basra is worth, though.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:03:11 PM   
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It is a biaotch to negotiate this huge map and keep your troops supplied at the same time.


As a member of the G-4 for IMEF during OIF, I would say the designer of the scenario in question has obviously hit the nail on the head here.



My Marines are kind of a mess right now, they are spread out all over the place, but starting to finally concentrate around Nasirya.

The VII Corps is just pushing past Nasirya, 300KM's or so to Baghdad.

I cannot get over the vastness of the map.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:27:35 PM   
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:38:49 PM   
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You should of seen the Royal Commandos and Paras take Basra.


I did, when I played the scenario against Grant a couple of years ago.

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