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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 1:00:37 AM   
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quote:

A maximum number of 150 US Pt boats sounds more than enough for me


looks like there were about

385
199
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602 total PT boats in the real war .. but not sure all of them were fighting PzB !!!

ELCO received the lion share (385 boats by the end of the war), Higgins was second (199 boats by the end of the war) and Huckins with the smallest contract (18 boats by the end of the war).

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 1:58:06 AM   
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Know they produced a few, but I've sunk 3 times more than were lost in WWII already.
In a few months all my capital ships will have been completed - the yards will be all
but idle. Guess I can accelerate destroyers and subs instead.

The battleship Ise that was damaged of Wasile is docked in Manila, 51 sys damage.
The Akagi is down to 48 sys damage - the 0 size ac group has reverted to size 27

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/19/44

Air Combat

Enemy ac from Wasile hit barges and sink to valuable MLs.
A 6-8 hex zone around Wasile will beceome a danger zone soon.

Will try sub mining the approaches to the port.

Day Air attack on TF at 41,64

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
SB2C Helldiver x 16
Spitfire VIII x 3
P-38J Lightning x 5
P-47D Thunderbolt x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
ML Kamome, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
MSW W.33, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
ML Kyosai
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Day Air attack on TF, near Morotai at 43,68


Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2528, Shell hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-20G Havoc attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,64

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 13
SB2C Helldiver x 14
Spitfire VIII x 3
P-38J Lightning x 5
P-47D Thunderbolt x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
ML Sokuten, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
ML Kyosai
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Day Air attack on TF, near Morotai at 43,68

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2066, Shell hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-20G Havoc attacking at 100 feet
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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 2:40:58 AM   
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How many "barges" were produced by the Japanese historically?

That would be an important question to ask as far as production of PT boats
quote:

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quote:

A maximum number of 150 US Pt boats sounds more than enough for me


looks like there were about

385
199
018
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602 total PT boats in the real war .. but not sure all of them were fighting PzB !!!

ELCO received the lion share (385 boats by the end of the war), Higgins was second (199 boats by the end of the war) and Huckins with the smallest contract (18 boats by the end of the war).

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:01:27 AM   
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and your point is?

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:05:22 AM   
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Be consistent with regards to applying production limits.
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and your point is?



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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:09:33 AM   
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ah, i see..... barges are the edge... i was so stupid..... if i only be so clever to sent 1000 barges to San Francisco... the Allies would be lost...


I confess, i'm really enlighten!

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:14:29 AM   
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And your point is?
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ah, i see..... barges are the edge... i was so stupid..... if i only be so clever to sent 1000 barges to San Francisco... the Allies would be lost...


I confess, i'm really enlighten!



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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:20:54 AM   
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common, you are here long enough to know on what basis this game was made...

i do not want to be involved in another "my American daddy is stronger than yours" drunken discussion...


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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 3:28:09 AM   
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What is your problem?

I simply make a point that I believe deserves some consideration, and you engage in unneccessary and inflammatory comments.

Are you "trolling" tonight?

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common, you are here long enough to know on what basis this game was made...

i do not want to be involved in another "my American daddy is stronger than yours" drunken discussion...




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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 9:31:15 AM   
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Hey people let's take this fanboyism clash on some other place will us?

Yep PzB, Wilkerson is right, beware of your threads names... Andy got sufficient intel already in the game

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 10:06:52 AM   
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i have similar feeling about PTs and it was recently discussed in my AAR too
when I see PTs it is bad day ....

i'd like to see that during rain / thunderstorm they can't be undocked and they don't fight
if sb wants all weather naval protection - use bigger vessels


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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 1:10:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: denisonh
How many "barges" were produced by the Japanese historically?


3229 of 14m type (Daihatsu)
1140 of 15m type (Moku Daihatsu)
163 of 17m type (Toku Daihatsu)
20 of 10m type (Shohatsu)

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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 4:31:37 PM   
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Thanks
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quote:

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How many "barges" were produced by the Japanese historically?


3229 of 14m type (Daihatsu)
1140 of 15m type (Moku Daihatsu)
163 of 17m type (Toku Daihatsu)
20 of 10m type (Shohatsu)



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RE: Strike on Sarmi! - 6/23/2006 4:57:57 PM   
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So... How do you feel the in-game / in-real life comparaison stands if you compare Jap barges and Allied PTs ?

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ugumBugum - 6/23/2006 5:06:14 PM   
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One important fact to uncover would be the number of major warships ( DD and above) hit by PT boats, in the Pacific, in the real war.

I've had numerous CL/DD flotillas, led by Raizo, get decimated by PTs ... in fact I've never really found a cost effective counter to them ... they even seem to be able to shoot down strafing planes at a rate that exceeds the strafing planes ability to sink them.

So are they too effective in the game? Well if we had the real life data, we could compare to examples of in game data and answer that question. But without the data, we're just guessing.



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RE: ugumBugum - 6/23/2006 5:17:15 PM   
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A quick post, being a rehash of an old post (I late already ). The data's from the official USN site.

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Here's a list of USN PT's lost in the Pacific. About 2/3's are non-op or friendly fire losses. Six PT's are lost to IJN surface units, one PT damaged and subsequently lost. Thus the IJN was either highly ineffective at sinking PT's, or the two rarely tango'ed.

Motor Torpedo Boat (PT)

PT-22 scrapped after being badly damaged in a storm at Dora Harbor, Alaska, 11 June 1943.

PT-28 damaged beyond repair in a storm at Dora Harbor, Alaska, 12 January 1943.

PT-31 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Subic Bay, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 19 January 1942.

PT-32 destroyed to prevent capture, Tagauayan Island, Philippine Islands, 13 March 1942.

PT-33 grounded in enemy waters, 15 December 1941, and destroyed to prevent capture, Cape Santiago, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 26 December 1941.

PT-34 sunk by Japanese aircraft strafing attack off Cauit Island, Cebu, Philippine Islands, 9 April 1942.

PT-35 destroyed to prevent capture, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippine Islands, 12 April 1942.

PT-37 sunk by Japanese destroyer Kawakaze off Cape Esperance, Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, 1 February 1943.

PT-41 destroyed to prevent capture on road to Lake Lanao, Mindanao, Philippine Islands, 15 April 1942.

PT-43 damaged by Japanese warships, beached, and destroyed to prevent capture on Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, 11 January 1943.

PT-44 destroyed by Japanese warships off Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, 12 December 1942.

PT-63 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Hamburg Bay, Emirau Island, 18 June 1944.

PT-67 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Tufi, New Guinea, 17 March 1943.

PT-68 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture near Vincke Point, New Guinea, 1 October 1943.

PT-73 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Baliquias Bay, Mindoro, Philippine Islands, 15 January 1945.

PT-77 sunk in error by the USS Conyngham (DD-371) and USS Lough (DE-586) near Talin Point, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 1 February 1945.

PT-79 sunk in error by the USS Conyngham (DD-371) and USS Lough (DE-586) near Talin Point, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 1 February 1945.

PT-107 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Hamburg Bay, Emirau Island, 18 June 1944.

PT-109 sunk after being rammed by Japanese destroyer Amigiri off Kolombangara Island, Blackett Strait, Solomon Islands, 2 August 1943.

PT-110 sunk after collision in Ablingi Harbor, New Britain, 26 January 1944.

PT-111 destroyed by Japanese warships off Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, 1 February 1943.

PT-112 destroyed by Japanese warships off Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, 11 January 1943.

PT-113 destroyed as a result of grounding, not in enemy waters, Veale Reef, near Tufi, New Guinea, 8 August 1943.

PT-117 destroyed by Japanese aircraft bombing, Rendova Harbor, Solomon Islands,
1 August 1943.

PT-118 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, off Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands, 7 September 1943.

PT-119 destroyed by fire in port, Tufi, New Guinea, 17 March 1943.

PT-121 destroyed by Australian aircraft, mistaken identification, Bangula Bay, New Britain, 27 March 1944.

PT-123 destroyed by Japanese aircraft bombing, off Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands,
1 February 1943.

PT-133 destroyed by Japanese shore batteries, near Cape Pus, New Guinea, 15 July 1944.

PT-135 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Crater Point, New Britain, 12 April 1944.

PT-136 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Malai Island, Vitiaz Strait, New Guinea, 17 September 1943.

PT-145 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Mindiri, New Guinea, 4 January 1944.

PT-147 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Teliata Point, New Guinea, 20 November 1943.

PT-153 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Munda Point, New Georgia, 4 July 1943.

PT-158 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Munda Point, New Georgia, 5 July 1943.

PT-164 destroyed by Japanese aircraft bombing, Rendova Harbor, Solomon Islands,
1 August 1943.

PT-165 lost in transit, tanker torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-17, 100 miles south of Noumea, New Caledonia, 24 May 1943.

PT-166 destroyed in error by US Army Air Force B-25 bombers, mistaken identification, off New Georgia, 20 July 1943.

PT-172 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, off Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands, 7 September 1943.

PT-173 lost in transit, tanker torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-17, 100 miles south of Noumea, New Caledonia, 24 May 1943.

PT-193 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Noemfoor Island, New Guinea, 25 June 1944.

PT-219 damaged in storm and scrapped, near Attu, Aleutian Islands, 14 September 1943.

PT-239 destroyed by fire in port, Lambu Lambu, Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands,
14 December 1943.

PT-247 destroyed by Japanese shore batteries, off Bougainville, Solomon Islands, 5 May 1944.

PT-251 destroyed by Japanese shore batteries, off Bougainville, Solomon Islands,
26 February 1944.

PT-279 lost in collision, off Bougainville, Solomon Islands, 11 February 1944.

PT-283 damaged by Japanese shore batteries or wild shot from U.S. warship, 18 March 1944, and sank off Bougainville, Solomon Islands, 19 March 1944.

PT-300 destroyed by Kamikaze attack, Mindoro, Philippine Islands, 18 December 1944.

PT-301 damaged by explosion in port and scrapped, Mios Woendi, New Guinea,
7 November 1944.

PT-320 destroyed by Japanese aircraft bombing, Leyte Gulf, Philippine Islands,
5 November 1944.

PT-321 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, San Isidro Bay, Leyte, Philippine Islands, 11 November 1944.

PT-322 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Hardenberg Point, New Guinea, 23 November 1943.

PT-323 destroyed by Kamikaze attack, Leyte Gulf, Philippine Islands, 10 December 1944.

PT-337 destroyed by Japanese shore batteries, Hansa Bay, New Guinea, 7 March 1944.

PT-338 grounded, 27 January 1945, and destroyed as a result of grounding, not in enemy waters, Semirara Island, Philippine Islands, 31 January 1945.

PT-339 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Pur Pur, New Guinea, 27 May 1944.

PT-346 destroyed by U.S. Navy aircraft, mistaken identification, near Cape Pomas, New Britain Island, 29 April 1944.

PT-347 destroyed by U.S. Navy aircraft, mistaken identification, near Cape Pomas, New Britain Island, 29 April 1944.

PT-353 destroyed by Australian aircraft, mistaken identification, Bangula Bay, New Britain Island, 27 March 1944.

PT-363 destroyed by Japanese shore batteries in Knoe Bay, Halmahera, Netherlands East Indies, 25 November 1944.

PT-368 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Cape Salimoedi, Halmahera, Netherlands East Indies, 11 October 1944.

PT-371 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Tagalasa, Halmahera, Netherlands East Indies, 19 September 1944.

PT-493 destroyed by Japanese warships, Surigao Strait, Philippine Islands, 25 October 1944.



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RE: ugumBugum - 6/23/2006 5:35:04 PM   
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i did not find any counter too
the only idea i have are MSW as they respawn and are quite cheap - especially the slower type Wa...
10 knots + 3" and MGs
but it is difficult to use them offensively against PTs

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RE: ugumBugum - 6/23/2006 9:55:05 PM   
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Yesssss, that´s my Timtom!
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RE: ugumBugum - 6/24/2006 12:34:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
I've had numerous CL/DD flotillas, led by Raizo, get decimated by PTs ...


Sorry to be picky but his family name was Tanaka. Raizo is his given name.


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RE: ugumBugum - 6/24/2006 2:31:16 PM   
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I'm in Haugesund this weekend, got time for one turn thus far! Busy summer
days with lots of football on the box as well

PT boat always arouse nasty feelings among Jap players. Andy boasts about his
newer models being as powerful as Jap destroyers with 4 torpedoes, 57, 40 and
20 mm guns These creeps are still only worth 1 points I'm afraid....

Would be happy to exchange 5000 barges for 500 PT boats
Nice list Timtom - my conclusion: It should be possible for PT boats to run aground in WitP

Tanaka never died in combat, he simply dissappeared a year ago

I've evacuated 2 good regiments from the small atolls west in the Marshalls. Will ask Andy
for permission to run a convoy to Jaluit to pick up most of the 55th Div that got teleported there...#¤#"@&%¤!
Air transports have picked up the bulk of the 12th Div from Wewak and I now got really strong troop
concentrations in the Palaus. Will move parts of these to the Marianas together with reinforcements from
Northern Japan. Running around the clock mining operations in the area as well.

Not sure were I should place my fleet - Davao isn't secure and both the Palaus/Marianas are within enemy heavy
bomber range. Suggestions?

Think I should develop plans to counter Andy's next moves. Not sure when it will come. He needs to secure his
foothold north of New Guinea and then it will be almost mid 44. Hopefully this gives me another 2 months.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/20/44

Sub/ASW Attacks
Now this is a waste of torpdoes if nothing else

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Sub attack near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2529, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Finback
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Air Combat

Andy retreats his special ships south from Sarmi - and I've placed a Daitai of
crack Jills in the only base he forgot to bomb silly over the last few days

Two valuable AR's sunk!

Day Air attack on TF at 38,62

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14
P-38J Lightning x 5

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Edo Maru, Shell hits 4
PG Shinko Maru #2, Shell hits 4
PG Hakkaisan Maru, Shell hits 12
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,69

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 12
Spitfire VIII x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Bushu Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 55,84

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
AO Neosho
AR Manoa, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AR Maliko, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 53,80

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 3

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AR B. F. Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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New Guinea hasn't been pacified!







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RE: ugumBugum - 6/24/2006 2:36:29 PM   
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Good good good!
How many points is an AR worth?

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RE: ugumBugum - 6/24/2006 3:46:03 PM   
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PzB, really no chance to challenge Wasile in anyway? Even by land?
Are the forces there really that strong? Are you troops so scattered already you can't afford a Kavieng bis over there?

Me thinks Andy will do his best to keep Wasile, thus using ressources there instead of somewhere else. This place looks really way to important to him, and if you can exhaust the troops there, he may dislike it...

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RE: ugumBugum - 6/24/2006 9:37:57 PM   
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Unfortunately, no... Wasile is off limits. Some 30-40k enemy troops there and Andy can bring in more by
air. Imagine what would happen if I sent 60k troops and my entire fleet there. His carriers would sink the lot.

Wasile is pretty isoloated - look at the map! It's surrounded by major Japanese bases. So I'll await Andy's move.
If he wants to invade the DEI/PI from Wasile he will have to clear out more bases in Northern New Guinea first.
Same applies if he wants to invade the Palaus. Satwal and Woleai are also likely targets before this can be accomplished.
A move on the Marianas can be mounted from the Marshalls - without much forewarning. Need to place recon subs
in this area.

I will try to increase the number of assault points in the Palaus/Marianas to ca 1000 over the next 1-2 months. A full Division
from Northern Japan is already loading. 1 regiment has been evacuated from Ponape and a crack Bde will be released
from China in a few weeks. An engineer regiment will be picked up from New Guinea and reserves will be distributed from
Ulithi.

I'm moving my fleet back from Davao: I'm actually placing it in Naha near Okinava. From here it can sortie towards
the PI, DEI, Palaus/Marianas in no time. They're also out of Andy's recon/bomber range.

The issue is were to place my air fleet. The logical solution would be in the Philippines! Not sure I should place them in
the forward bases as these are now within range of enemy heavy bombers.

From now on I will play it safe with the exception of hit and run strikes: planning another carrier sortie.
600 Zekes are now being produced pr month and there are 200 in the pools. Everything is a-ok production wise

11 days until the next fleet carrier arrives.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/22/44

Air Combat

My marauding surface group was hit by Beaufighters 7 hexes out of their base
30 sys damage and fires on one destroyer. Have to move back.

Day Air attack on TF at 57,76

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Noshiro, Shell hits 8
DD Wakazuki, Shell hits 4
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 12, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Before the Storm - 6/24/2006 11:38:14 PM   
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Spent quite some time on re-organizing this turn. Industry, troops, fleets, aircraft etc!

Moving supplies and fuel to the forward bases, trying to stockpile as much as possible while I still can.
Supply situation is quite good really, but I found 7-8 smaller bases with very little supply.

A crack Engineer Regiment has been airlifted from New Guinea and will be shipped to its new destination together
with a regiment from China. At Yap the 12th Division has also been airlifted from New Guinea and will become the main defensive element
on this atoll. A Bde from Ulithi will be moved to Guam while a crack Bde from China will go to Pagan. The
Northern Force Division from Sapporo will reinforce Saipan and Tinian. Yet another Bde from Sapporo will be moved to Marcus Island.

Future reinforcements will be moved to Iwo and Bonin Islands. Formosa and Okinawa and the PI are scheduled to receive sizeable
reinforcements over the next weeks.

This is the last major 'troop shuffle' before Andy will make his move. Reserves will be moved from non-targetted bases, can't afford
to keep 2-3 Div's in a single place in order to use them as a strategic reserve. Too difficult and dangerous to move them when the enemy
got supremacy of the seas with their massed carrier forces.

Btw. Don't worry about the headliens for the posts. I only use titles like 'Strike on Sarmi' when
I already got Andy's reply to this operation in my inbox

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/23/44

Air Combat

Day Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Empire Summer

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Strike Force I

I am organizing two Carrier Strike Forces.

Strike Force I
Carrier Hiyo and 2 light carriers, ca 100 ac.
Will be accompanied by a Tanker Replenishment TF.

Strike Force II
Based around 2 escort carriers and a seaplane tender, ca 85 ac.
Will be escorted by 4 of the new Matsu class destroyers with long endurance
and high AA ratings.

Not sure were or when to dispatch these Strike Forces, but they will be used for
harassment and commerce raiding.

In the meantime the KB will slowly be put back into fighting shape!




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RE: Before the Storm - 6/25/2006 12:45:21 AM   
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Relatively quiet.

Took a look at the IJA and IJN Air Forces: They got a grand total of 7300 ac in their lists.
Some 3300 of these are fighters. 1. Zekes, Oscars and Tojo/Tonys. The Jack and George are becoming more
numerous. In a week the excellent 'Grace' torpedo bomber goes into production - hopefully the 'Frank' will also
be accelerated another 1-2 months.

Not sure how many troops I should leave in New Guinea. Without supplies the troops will whither on the wine, so
I think it's wise to pull out as many as possible!?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/24/44

Movements in the DEI?

Enemy Tf spotted heading NW past Timor!?
Thought it could be a carrier strike force, but I need more recon....





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RE: Before the Storm - 6/25/2006 3:30:08 AM   
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This turn was more exciting!
The TF that was spotted of Timor yesterday materialized into 3 TF's - 2 transport and one surface group.
A third carrier group was spotted 2-3 hexes south of these groups.

Enemy raids hit Namlea, a small size 1/1 base of Ambonia. Andy want's another easy target that he can
convert into a forward size 4 AF.

I had put a few bombers on naval attack to test the enemy defenses - most of these slipped through a weak
Spit CAP and hurt a destroyer. If more bombers had been available several capital ships would have been
hit. Unfortunately it's impossible to know when Andy makes a mistake and when there is an Uber CAP in
place that will shoot down 99.5% of all attacking ac

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/44

Air Combat

This is the biggest 'training strike' I've seen thus far...533 Zekes, now that would have
been a job even for Andy's Uber CAP

Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 533
N1K1-J George x 27
J2M Jack x 96
D4Y Judy x 105
B6N Jill x 158
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 68

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported

Airbase hits 31
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 506
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Dispatched a few more FB's!

Day Air attack on TF, near Morotai at 43,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 41

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 4 destroyed
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Unfortunately we didn't have the resources to exploit Andy's mistake....

Day Air attack on TF at 37,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Idaho

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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First succesful strike by the Frances of Wasile, range 12 hexes - from Palau:

Day Air attack on TF at 42,70

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Segundo Ruiz Belvis, Bomb hits 1
AK John Carroll
AK James B. McPherson, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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This strike got in a good hit on one of the few remaining British destroyers:

Day Air attack on TF at 37,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 4
Ki-48 Lily x 15

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
DD Quiberon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-176
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Enemy invasino fleet heading for Namlea?








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RE: Before the Storm - 6/25/2006 4:18:37 AM   
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Could he going for Kendari? That would seem pretty risky. I'd bet he's set a waypoint where he can then scoot to either Dili or Amboina. He could have LBA cover at Amboina.

Is Tawi Tawi not built up enough to be a fleet base?

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RE: Before the Storm - 6/25/2006 4:35:35 AM   
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Andy is either going for Namlea or Ambonia. Only bombed the former....
Tawi Tawi has not been built, went for Davao instead. Both are too close to Wasile
to be of any use anyway.

Kendari and Ambonia got 9 forts, Andy doesn't like that. So my 2c on Namlea

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

Placed 2 subs around Namlea...one found the invasion fleet.

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ASW attack at 38,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-31, hits 5

Allied Ships
DD Drayton
DD Gansevoort
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ASW attack at 38,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-31, hits 6

Allied Ships
LCI LCI-526
MSW Bunbury
SC SC-982
SC SC-742
SC SC-703
MSW Triumph
DD Arunta
DD Quickmatch
DD John D. Edwards
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Air Combat

Bad weather - a few strikes - one hits..Namlea!

Day Air attack on Namlea , at 38,73

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 53

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 35
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Namlea invaded! - 6/25/2006 4:07:22 PM   
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As predicted - Namlea was invaded today!

I had a regiment prepped to 100 for Namlea partially airlifted in. The problem
is that all the bombardments have vaporized ALL supplies at Namlea. Troops without
supplies is pretty useless really and since supplies can't be stored in bomb shelters.....

It's pretty clear that Namlea is a side show. Carriers Formidable, Hornet and some CVE's
have been spotted as well as the old battleship Idaho. Andy is constantly picking out the
bases that got the least number of defending troops and bypassing everything else. His
recon ac must be providing him with very accurate information.

The defense I found appropriate for Namlea consisted was relatively moderate for several reasons.
Firstly, I didn't want to expend large amounts of resources against a sideshow like Namlea. Potential gains would
not be worth the potential costs. Take a look at the concentration of enemy ac at Wasile (screenie).

Still I ordered 40 Zekes, 80 Oscars, 30 fighter bombers, 70 naval bombers and 30 Sallys to attempt to hit the enemy fleet.
I had my doubts since the weather was rainy, but this could work both ways.

Ambonia was rained out in the AM turn and only the Oscars and fighter bombers took of from Menando. All Oscars were
lost and the FB's turned back. (Andy sailed his carriers into the target hex again). The strike could have achieved results
if the 70 naval bombers came along, but most likely it was just as well they didn't.

In the PM turn Namlea was covered in bas weather together with Menando, and the Ambonia strike force hit enemy ships
at Wasile, suffering more causalties with little to show for it.

The enemy didn't loose a single ac in A2A or to flak - we lost 80 Oscars as well as 20-30 transports and 20-30 Sallys and FBs.
It's plainly too difficult to coordinate strikes from more than one base with numerous enemy targets and very unstable weather.
Much as expected really. So we continue our efforts to strengthen our main line of defense while Andy plays around with the
smaller malaria bases that cannot be efficiently defended.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/27/44

Invasions

Had a single sub lay some mines:
TF 1046 encounters mine field at Namlea (38,73)

Allied Ships
DD Caldwell
DD Swanson
DD Bell
DD Beale
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Coastal Guns at Namlea, 38,73, firing at TF 1068

TF 1068 encounters mine field at Namlea (38,73)
TF 1068 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 38,73
1242 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCM 593D, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD McCalla, Shell hits 6
LCM 592D, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
LCM 592C, Shell hits 1
DD Laffey, Shell hits 6
LCVP 543M, Shell hits 9
LCM 543D
LCM 533A
LCVP 532H, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
LCVP 532G, Shell hits 7
LCM 532A, Shell hits 2, on fire
LCT LCT-476, Shell hits 3
LCT LCT-474, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-470
LCT LCT-467, Shell hits 7
CA Canberra, Shell hits 1
LCT LCT-466, Shell hits 1, on fire
LCT LCT-461
LCT LCT-460, Shell hits 2, on fire
LCT LCT-372, Shell hits 6, on fire
LCT LCT-368, Shell hits 2, on fire
LCT LCT-361, Shell hits 3
LCT LCT-350, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-320
LCT LCT-163, Shell hits 4, on fire
LCT LCT-160, Shell hits 3, on fire
LCT LCT-151, Shell hits 10, on fire
LCT LCT-141, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
1529 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
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Coastal Guns at Namlea, 38,73, firing at TF 1133

TF 1133 encounters mine field at Namlea (38,73)
TF 1133 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 38,73

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
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TF 1134 encounters mine field at Namlea (38,73)
TF 1134 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 38,73

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Triumph
DD Quickmatch
LCVP 593Q, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Coastal Guns at Namlea, 38,73, firing at TF 1134
185 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCVP 593P, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCM 543A, Shell hits 3
LCM 542A, Shell hits 5
LCI(G) LCI-65, Shell hits 5, on fire
LCT LCT-61
LCI LCI-532
LCI LCI-525, Shell hits 3

Allied ground losses:
474 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 9
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Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Namlea, at 38,73

Allied Ships
DD Norman
DD Downes
DD Cassin
DD Cushing
DD Shaw
DD Cummings
DD Mahan
DD Warrington
BB Idaho

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Runway hits 3
Port hits 1
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Naval bombardment of Namlea, at 38,73

Allied Ships
DD Norman
DD Downes
DD Cassin
DD Cushing
DD Shaw
DD Cummings
DD Mahan
DD Warrington
BB Idaho

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 10
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Air Combat

These heavies comes from Wasile....

Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 3 destroyed
L3Y Tina: 3 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 15
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Day Air attack on Namlea , at 38,73

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Spitfire VIII x 3
P-38J Lightning x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 9

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7
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Day Air attack on Namlea , at 38,73

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 50

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22
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Day Air attack on 4th Construction Battalion, at 38,73

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 15
TBM Avenger x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 4th Construction Battalion, at 38,73

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 5th/C Division, at 38,73

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 13
TBM Avenger x 25

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 38,73

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 61
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 32

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 33
F6F Hellcat x 41
Corsair IV x 14
P-38J Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 53 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 4 destroyed - 52 morale was a good thing today!
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 6
B6N Jill x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 15

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
Spitfire VIII x 6
P-38J Lightning x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 6 destroyed
B6N Jill: 8 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Julia Luckenbach
AK Harry Luckenbach
AK Mercury

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 2000 feet
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Ground Combat

All supply is bombed away and I doubt we can hold for long. 3 forts + 67%.

Ground combat at Namlea

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4853 troops, 64 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Defending force 5924 troops, 38 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 193

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

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Namlea







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