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M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 1:09:28 AM   
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Are M-1 Carbines as effecient at killing as the M-1 Garand, with just a shorter range?

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 1:28:20 AM   
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in the game or real life?
In the game the Carbine has a little better HE kill, but the Garand wins the accuracy battle.


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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 1:52:44 AM   
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The carbine was intended to replace the pistol as a personal defense weapon, and in this role it's fine.  This was issued to weapons crews, truck drivers, tank crews and such.  Some guys wouldn't give up their Thompson SMGs, though.   Let's face it -- if you're a mortar crew, and in danger of being overrun, which would you rather have -- a Carbine or a Tommy Gun? 

I've never forgotten Eugene Sledge's description of how his 60mm mortar crew felt fortunate in acquiring a Thompson.   It was a highly-prized weapon in those days.  A Thompson could fire on full-auto, while the Carbine was a semi-auto. 

Given the nature of the Pacific War, I can easily see why a mortar crew would derive some comfort from having an SMG on hand.     

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 2:15:08 AM   
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My Uncle Jim's opinion of the carbine was that it was little better than a .22 and had no stopping nor knock down power..
I have owned and fired both.
I have never shot anybody with the carbine.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 2:33:37 AM   
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My Uncle Jim's opinion of the carbine was that it was little better than a .22 and had no stopping nor knock down power..
I have owned and fired both.
I have never shot anybody with the carbine.


Does that mean you HAVE shot someone with a .22?

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 2:36:00 AM   
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My Uncle Jim's opinion of the carbine was that it was little better than a .22 and had no stopping nor knock down power..
I have owned and fired both.
I have never shot anybody with the carbine.


Does that mean you HAVE shot someone with a .22?


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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 5:43:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

My Uncle Jim's opinion of the carbine was that it was little better than a .22 and had no stopping nor knock down power..
I have owned and fired both.
I have never shot anybody with the carbine.


Does that mean you HAVE shot someone with a .22?


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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 5:50:16 AM   
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I knew a veteran from Viet Nam who claimed that he had been bayonetted after emptying a clip from an M1 carbine into his attacker. His opinion of the stopping power of the carbine was rather poor.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 6:15:27 AM   
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I have heard and read stories, such as at the Bulge, where one officer fired three rounds into an advancing German, without stopping him. The man next to him put two rounds from a Garand into the German, and he stopped.

To be honest, all I have seen and heard of the .30 Carbine is that it is a long ranged pistol, for all intents and purposes. I have even seen pistols chambered for .30 Carbine. As a rifle, which is what many people consider it to be, it is wholly inadequet.Though, the M1 Carbine was intended to replace the M1911 Colt .45ACP in second line and aux units, not actually be used as a primary weapon in the front lines. 


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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 7:12:50 AM   
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I have heard and read stories, such as at the Bulge, where one officer fired three rounds into an advancing German, without stopping him. The man next to him put two rounds from a Garand into the German, and he stopped.

To be honest, all I have seen and heard of the .30 Carbine is that it is a long ranged pistol, for all intents and purposes. I have even seen pistols chambered for .30 Carbine. As a rifle, which is what many people consider it to be, it is wholly inadequet.Though, the M1 Carbine was intended to replace the M1911 Colt .45ACP in second line and aux units, not actually be used as a primary weapon in the front lines.



Yeah...The local ARVN's were using a lot of our WW2 stuff, which is where I got my first hand experience with them.
An M1 Garand could knock a man down with one round.
I never fired an M14 in anger, but the Gyrene's still had some when I was there.....
Some of the guy's in the 1st ID had traded for Thompsons..

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 4:57:52 PM   
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Yes all the carbine round is is a pistol round , the carbine simple allowed a more accurate fire to a bit longer range then a pistol AND it holds more than the 7 rounds a 45 would. It is a nice weapon as long as you understand its limitations.

The Garand fires a 30.06 round I sure as heck HOPE it would stop and knock down a man.

I own both a carbine and a Garand. One is good for close work, one is good for long work and stopping power.

Also a side note, there were versions of the carbine that were full automatic.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 5:12:09 PM   
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I have never had the pleasure of owning or firing a Garand. They are a bit pricey to me. The Carbine is equally expensive. However, we do have a Winchester .30-06 which will easily flatten a deer, or disentigrate a rabbit.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/4/2006 11:22:45 PM   
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I have owned 2 Garands, the first one was stolen along with my second Carbine, have owned 3 Carbines, gave the first to my brother when I joined the Marine Corps in 79, bought the second in 1994 along with a Garand ( they were not to expensive then, 180 for carbine, 300 for Garand) they were stolen in late 95. I replaced them in 96 after prices went up. Carbine was over 400 and so was the Garand. All were surplus. The first one had had the original stock removed and a civilian stock applied. The second was probably a collectors item, it was made by Rockolla, a Juke Box Company as far as I could tell. The 3rd was used by the Isreali forces. Never got the histories on the Garands. The second one came from South America most likely.

I cant replace the barrel on the current Carbine, who ever put it back together once in the States twisted it to hard, gun smith said he would likely break the weapon if he forced it apart. So I have a brand new Carbine barrel and nothing to use it on )

The Carbines I have owned were accurate out to at least 100 yards never fired them past that. Fired the garand once in an NRA match but by the time we moved back to the 300 yard line the sights had worked loose and would run down on every shot. Gun Smith didnt get to me till 500 yard line so needless to say part of 300 and 500 yard line sucked for me )

It is a blast firing the garand and I loved the rapid fire part. 10 rounds, 2 clips ( first has 2 rounds, second has the 8) in 1 minute. It is even more fun to fire the carbine fast. It has less movement off your sight on each shot so can shot faster and more rounds in same time. At 50 yards you can sight down the barrel of the carbine and hit what your trying to. Dont try it at 100 though need the sights for that.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/5/2006 4:01:14 AM   
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I have owned 2 Garands, the first one was stolen along with my second Carbine, have owned 3 Carbines, gave the first to my brother when I joined the Marine Corps in 79, bought the second in 1994 along with a Garand ( they were not to expensive then, 180 for carbine, 300 for Garand) they were stolen in late 95. I replaced them in 96 after prices went up. Carbine was over 400 and so was the Garand. All were surplus. The first one had had the original stock removed and a civilian stock applied. The second was probably a collectors item, it was made by Rockolla, a Juke Box Company as far as I could tell. The 3rd was used by the Isreali forces. Never got the histories on the Garands. The second one came from South America most likely.

I cant replace the barrel on the current Carbine, who ever put it back together once in the States twisted it to hard, gun smith said he would likely break the weapon if he forced it apart. So I have a brand new Carbine barrel and nothing to use it on )

The Carbines I have owned were accurate out to at least 100 yards never fired them past that. Fired the garand once in an NRA match but by the time we moved back to the 300 yard line the sights had worked loose and would run down on every shot. Gun Smith didnt get to me till 500 yard line so needless to say part of 300 and 500 yard line sucked for me )

It is a blast firing the garand and I loved the rapid fire part. 10 rounds, 2 clips ( first has 2 rounds, second has the 8) in 1 minute. It is even more fun to fire the carbine fast. It has less movement off your sight on each shot so can shot faster and more rounds in same time. At 50 yards you can sight down the barrel of the carbine and hit what your trying to. Dont try it at 100 though need the sights for that.


My dad was an old vet from WW2 and Korea..For my 18th birthday, he gave me a mint Winchester manufactured military M1 Carbine..
Dad rebuilt a 30 round banana clip for it, (as he had learned to do in more stressful times in his life.)He assured me it would never jam.
I never got to find out.
While I was overseas fighting for my nation, somebody broke into my parents home and stole it.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/6/2006 12:19:29 PM   
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Dear m10bob,  I am sorry for your loss.  I have been following this thread and have been very surprised to hear how many firearms have bees stolen.  Is it not law in The U.S.A. to have your guns locked in a safe when they are not under your immediate control?

It is indeed a sad when something precious is taken.

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RE: M-1 Carbines - 7/6/2006 2:40:58 PM   
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Not a law in my state, though things like that vary state to state.

My grandfather had a large collection of firearms stolen way back when. all that was left of that collection was the 100 year old .38 he wore on his side, and a .22lr rifle he had just bought, and a scope. Back then, he didn't bother keeping anything locked up. The kids have always known better than to mess with the guns (raised better than the morons today raise their kids), and everyone else knew better than to come over.

We did keep ours locked up, but lost the keys, so now the safe is just a metal box. Of course, it'll take a week to get to it, thanks to it being in my closet now. I only keep the handguns seperate, more because I'm scared they'll fall off the shelves in there than any real thought of a need to have loaded guns at hand. Most people around here are more scared of the 130lb black dog.

One thing I've been meaning to do, but haven't yet, is to make a list of the guns we have, and their serial numbers. Most I'm not too attached to, but I don't want them stolen nonetheless.

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