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Posting Format - 7/7/2006 2:49:23 AM   
Don Bowen


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A new style of posting seems to be evolving on the forum and I’d like to be sure that I understand it’s structure.

First, terminology: “ridiculous”, “nonsense”, “flawed”, “foolishness”, “stupid nonsense”, and “stupidity” all seem to mean the same thing: “something doesn’t work like I think it should”

And, of course “fix it”, which appears to mean “make it work exactly like I think it should”.

And it’s important to be as rude and forceful as possible. After all, there’s nothing like being rude to people to make them want to help you.

Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.
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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:02:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Proper speling ?  Wots that all meen ?

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:07:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
And it’s important to be as rude and forceful as possible. After all, there’s nothing like being rude to people to make them want to help you.

WHAT???Theas ar moast redicelus non-senes I never herd! Its eaven stoopder then Jordge Boosh and he's hed esplodung cause its so dum he cant think! Fishul Martix nead to louk on these, casue its hosed, hosed, hosed!

quote:

Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.

Ef yu cant reed mi riting, yu ent werthe tu here wut Im said. Woden fleat! Crusier! Trops!

errr...yes, thank you, nurse, I feel much better now...

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:13:53 AM   
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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:16:14 AM   
Terminus


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Status: offline 		You forgot "piolets" and "midjets"...

and possibly "midjet piolets"...

Seriously though, Don has a point. There's been an explosion in badly tempered, "fix-this-right-now-or-I'll-hold-my-breath-until-my-face-turns-blue" threads lately; those aren't helping anyone...

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 4:02:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus


Seriously though, Don has a point.


You think?

Can't we all just get along?

Flipper

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 4:39:34 AM   
Dino


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Status: offline 		I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony,

I'd like to buy the world a beer and keep it company.

[Repeat the last two lines, and in the background:]
It's the real thing...

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 5:25:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus
Seriously though, Don has a point.

Yes, indeed, and he and Joe need all the support they can get, not further clamoring for this or that change.

First, we no longer have any idea what breaks when something is "fixed," but we know something always does.

Second, whenever these good gentlemen have attempted to make a change that they believe will be palatable to the masses, they get it spat back in their faces, as though the whole bleedin' mess was their fault in the first place.

I have said before, and I will say it again, that it is time to wrap this thing up and move on, with lessons learned firmly in tow. A few more bug fixes - real bugs, not the "I want it now, Mom, or I'm gonna behave so bad it'll make you sorry you ever took me to Wal-Mart" sort - and forget it. I just don't think this game "system" has a future.

I have three PBEMs going now (had four, but an Allied opponent got POed and quit because I took my January '42 vacation in Honolulu). After that, I'm as done with this game as I was with UV about a year ago.

New subjects should be treated with new systems.

Now, if Matrix doesn't do a WitP-style game based on the WWII Mediterranean theater, I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot somebody...

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 5:48:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

Now, if Matrix doesn't do a WitP-style game based on the WWII Mediterranean theater, I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot somebody...


I'll drink to that with all my heart...

< Message edited by Dino -- 7/7/2006 5:49:35 AM >

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 5:53:45 AM   
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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 6:23:20 AM   
dtravel


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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 6:23:42 AM   
ckk

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pasternakski


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Seriously though, Don has a point.

Yes, indeed, and he and Joe need all the support they can get, not further clamoring for this or that change.

First, we no longer have any idea what breaks when something is "fixed," but we know something always does.

Second, whenever these good gentlemen have attempted to make a change that they believe will be palatable to the masses, they get it spat back in their faces, as though the whole bleedin' mess was their fault in the first place.

I have said before, and I will say it again, that it is time to wrap this thing up and move on, with lessons learned firmly in tow. A few more bug fixes - real bugs, not the "I want it now, Mom, or I'm gonna behave so bad it'll make you sorry you ever took me to Wal-Mart" sort - and forget it. I just don't think this game "system" has a future.

I have three PBEMs going now (had four, but an Allied opponent got POed and quit because I took my January '42 vacation in Honolulu). After that, I'm as done with this game as I was with UV about a year ago.

New subjects should be treated with new systems.

Now, if Matrix doesn't do a WitP-style game based on the WWII Mediterranean theater, I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot somebody...

Yaknow if I could understand what paster said in the first place I think I would agree

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 6:27:38 AM   
dtravel


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Yaknow if I could understand what paster said in the first place I think I would agree


No one understands what paster says. Including paster I suspect, not that he'd ever admit that.

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 8:00:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dtravel


quote:

ORIGINAL: ckk

Yaknow if I could understand what paster said in the first place I think I would agree


No one understands what paster says. Including paster I suspect, not that he'd ever admit that.

What'd I say? What'd I say?

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 8:02:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.


I'm going home, now. I'm going to lock the door, go upstairs to my bedroom, get in my jammies, crawl under the covers and never come out again...





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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 8:18:42 AM   
Roger Neilson

 

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Status: offline 		Of course if this forum had a spellchecker then mebbes many of us would be bale to spell properly.... in my case its not missspelling but typring so fast that I hit the wrong keys in the wrong order.

Roger

Teacehr of English for over 30 years so i cn spell when I want ot.

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 9:05:17 AM   
bradfordkay

 

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Status: offline 		You mean that there is an organization of people like Brady??? Noooo...... trying to read posts written like those sentences in Pasternaksi's article gives me a headache... I can understand the occasional typo or mispelled word, but enough is enough!

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 9:08:28 AM   
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Of course if this forum had a spellchecker

Roger, Roger, Roger. A lot of these knuckleheads can't even spell spellchecker.

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 9:08:31 AM   
treespider


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Status: offline 		FWIW I'd rather have constructive comments in bad English then Farsi or Mandarin....

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 9:15:16 AM   
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FWIW I'd rather have constructive comments in bad English then Farsi or Mandarin....

Would you, than? Good or bad Farsi or Mandarin would that be?

What happens when we adopt "spelling for idiots" and the idiots misspell the idiotic spelling? What do you do when it's not a matter of spelling but of usage or grammar? Idiotize that, too?

Jeez, a near-planet-killer size asteroid whizzed past 300,000 miles away on July 3. Maybe we'll get lucky next time while all the morons are standing outside trying to figure out how to spell what it's called.

< Message edited by pasternakski -- 7/7/2006 9:16:56 AM >

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 9:32:31 AM   
treespider


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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

quote:

ORIGINAL: treespider

FWIW I'd rather have constructive comments in bad English then Farsi or Mandarin....

Would you, than? Good or bad Farsi or Mandarin would that be?


It's 2:21am where i am ...oops I hit an e instead of an a. So sue me.

quote:


What happens when we adopt "spelling for idiots" and the idiots misspell the idiotic spelling?


Hoo wood noaw thay was misspelled...I guess the idiots wood.

quote:

What do you do when it's not a matter of spelling but of usage or grammar? Idiotize that, too?


Sure.

quote:


Jeez, a near-planet-killer size asteroid whizzed past 300,000 miles away on July 3. Maybe we'll get lucky next time while all the morons are standing outside trying to figure out how to spell what it's called.


If Providence in his infinite wisdom decides its time to make room for the inter-galactic freeway....why should I worry how its spelled?



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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 11:03:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


A new style of posting seems to be evolving on the forum and I’d like to be sure that I understand it’s structure.

First, terminology: “ridiculous”, “nonsense”, “flawed”, “foolishness”, “stupid nonsense”, and “stupidity” all seem to mean the same thing: “something doesn’t work like I think it should”

And, of course “fix it”, which appears to mean “make it work exactly like I think it should”.

And it’s important to be as rude and forceful as possible. After all, there’s nothing like being rude to people to make them want to help you.

Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.




Don, I really appreciate your work. The problem with people coming up with such posts (including me) is, that there are things (still from the beginning) that ARE e.g. ridicoulos. I think in the first year mostly the bugs were a problem which are nearly gone now (plz don´t shoot me!). And now there are the problems in some aspects of the game with how the game was designed and people are crying about it and probably have done it earlier too. At this stage most players have played the game for 2 years and I think I can say that those players, including me, love this game.

Again, I really love this game and please don´t take such posts as personal attacks as the people around here surely appreciate your work! But still there are aspects that were simply overlooked during the design and can´t be explained as historical nor realistical. I think the "rude" intonation of those posts is because people are having a nerve break down in front of their monitors when they see 50000:2000 casualties when attacking a base that has been cut off for 6 months or when 600 planes are shot down for 20 defenders and not a single plane came through even if the attacker was high experienced (which wasn´t so in reality, I know). And so on... It´s not just that people want it exactly to be like they think it should be, but most of them want it to be like that it´s possible to understand it with common sense that this could be realistic (not historic).

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 11:48:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pasternakski


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.


I'm going home, now. I'm going to lock the door, go upstairs to my bedroom, get in my jammies, crawl under the covers and never come out again...






Of course, the simpler thing would be to study and not gripe and complain, but that's not what the kiddies want. They want good grades with no effort.

Back away from the rant, there. Put the rant down.

Back to topic. I think we all have our favorite bugaboo about the game mechanics, or data base, or whatever. But, back to basics. What else replaces WitP for those who have dreamed of this type of game since SPI days. Seven mapboards, a room the size of a well favored den, and five other friends to play the game for six months, all at the mercy of a puff of wind, or the paw of cat rule. I for one, whilst I voice my... ah... frustrations.. will continue to play, and fiddle with the system as I have the chance. If I cam make my system run right, that is.

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 12:02:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he's finally found out that some of us enjoy discussing the game rules more than actually playing the game.

It's a grognard thing.

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 12:53:22 PM   
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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 1:09:32 PM   
Terminus


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ORIGINAL: Halsey

Please Don, don't turn into another Mr Frag.


Maybe he IS Frag... Ever thought of that?

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 1:33:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Halsey

Please Don, don't turn into another Mr Frag.


Maybe he IS Frag... Ever thought of that?



NOT possible, Don actually FIXES things that I report to be "broken", when FRAG would just say "working as designed"......

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:39:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Halsey

Please Don, don't turn into another Mr Frag.


Maybe he IS Frag... Ever thought of that?



NOT possible, Don actually FIXES things that I report to be "broken", when FRAG would just say "working as designed"......



Merely a manifestation of multiple personality disorder...

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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 3:40:26 PM   
Terminus


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RE: Posting Format - 7/7/2006 4:28:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

A new style of posting seems to be evolving on the forum and I’d like to be sure that I understand it’s structure.

First, terminology: “ridiculous”, “nonsense”, “flawed”, “foolishness”, “stupid nonsense”, and “stupidity” all seem to mean the same thing: “something doesn’t work like I think it should”

And, of course “fix it”, which appears to mean “make it work exactly like I think it should”.

And it’s important to be as rude and forceful as possible. After all, there’s nothing like being rude to people to make them want to help you.

Proper spelling seems to have gone out of style.


Dan and Joe - please do not think that WitP community (and I think that is the proper word because we have been together for such long time - since UV) is feeling like some posts you mention above indicate...

99.9999% of us here love and respect you guys and your tremendous effort - please continue just like you were doing!


Leo "Apollo11"

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