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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/5/2006 8:40:55 PM

Andy Mac

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I thought about it I really did.

Load up 8 Army Corps c 30 Divisions, 1,000 tanks, 2,000 crated fighter and FB's, add a million tonnes of supply and cover it with every carrier in one impenetrable CAP and then land on Okinawa direct.

I dont know I may be stupid but it felt like cheating a little. Not really in the spirit of this game since I took over. (Previous Allied C in C's wobbly especially may have had a different view given Hangover's success but I suspect not)

I am expecting heavy resistance and I did consider Formosa and even Luzon.

I rejected Luzon because of the sheer number of enemy bases plus Urban bonus at Manila makes me wary

I rejected Formosa because China is quiet and SEAC Subdued and again a lot of large enemy bases make his intact surface forces a real threat.

I almost went for Malaya and Singapore with 1st Aus Army (3 Corps) but decided they had been in spearhead to long and needed some refit time before I try that - but watch this space in Autumn 44.

Andy

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 12:52:23 AM

duckenf

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Why not go to Marcus and Wake? airfields could come in handy

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 1:00:56 AM

Andy Mac

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Again I thought about it but decided if I am going to get into the fight then i may as well dive right in.

One lvl 7 AF operational in the Marianas is game over for the Japanese defense

350 B29's operatong 120 miles from an emeny base for a week will reduce the whole place to rubble I dont see anything standing up to B29's at short range low fatigue low ops losses Ill turn every island into slag with napalm and 1,000 lber bombs

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 2:29:41 AM

Andy Mac

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Heheh my Carriers find a troop convoy 9th IJA Div is attacked heavily

Going to try and finish them off next turn bringing my carriers in to unite them

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/24/44
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Night Air attack on TF at 32,74

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCI LCI-435
LCT LCT-158

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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ASW attack at 32,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-53

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-465
LCVP 542K
LCT LCT-148
LCT LCT-330
LCT LCT-329
LCM 532B
LCI LCI-527
SC SC-982
SC SC-742
SC SC-703

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 102
D4Y Judy x 24
B6N Jill x 62
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 68
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 178

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
30 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 15
F-5A Lightning x 2
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 4
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
P-47D Thunderbolt x 7
B-25J Mitchell x 33
B-29 Superfortress x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 13000 feet
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Emirau Island , at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
SB2C Helldiver x 74
P-38J Lightning x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 62

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 101
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
12 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
21 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
A6M5 Zeke x 21

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 7
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed, 12 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F-5C Lightning: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 76

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 19th Naval Guard Unit, at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 30
Kittyhawk III x 22
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 27
P-40N Warhawk x 54
P-38J Lightning x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
54 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
15 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
15 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 48
Beaufort V-IX x 8
P-38J Lightning x 5
B-25J Mitchell x 14
B-24J Liberator x 39

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 8000 feet
8 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
11 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Biak at 46,77

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2531, Shell hits 4, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Beaufighter Mk 21 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 33

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 32, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Yuzan Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 4
TBM Avenger x 8

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Hokutatsu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 17
SB2C Helldiver x 51

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Genbu Maru, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
PG Tosho Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
346 casualties reported
Guns lost 15

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
TBM Avenger x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Genbu Maru, on fire, heavy damage
PG Tosho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 32,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 19

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-361, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-161
LCT LCT-369, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-982
LCT LCT-366, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-461, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
1 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 64,62

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 24

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 70,51

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Menado Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,52

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 24
SB2C Helldiver x 24

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Haaburu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC PC-17, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kasui Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC PC-16, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 24

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 6, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kiko Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 15

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kasima Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
PC PC-19

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 8

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
PC PC-7
AP Yubae Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 32,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 4

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-351, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 32,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Elna

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet

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Ground combat at Makale

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4661 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 294

Defending force 6554 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 137

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 515

Defending force 29712 troops, 195 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 561

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

(in reply to Andy Mac)

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 2:32:17 AM

Andy Mac

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I get a few but it costs me some Helldivers

1st time I have seen Georges in numbers

I am pulling out to rearm and cover the BB TF as it goes in

Fleet is starting to concnetrate at Entiwock now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/25/44

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Night Air attack on TF at 33,76

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-158
LCT LCT-148

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 11
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F-5C Lightning: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 32

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 8
B-24J Liberator x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 44

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 30
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 5
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 48
Beaufort V-IX x 10
P-38J Lightning x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 18
B-24J Liberator x 38

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 27

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 6, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC PC-16, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 27
J1N1-S Irving x 14
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 33
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 20
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 66,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 23

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Haaburu Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
286 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 16

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PC PC-15, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AK John W. Meldrum

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 33,77

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Elna, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-366, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 33,76

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-154, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-164, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,72

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Zebra

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Makale

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4678 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 294

Defending force 6629 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 137

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 533

Defending force 29532 troops, 200 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 556

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

(in reply to Andy Mac)

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 12:42:53 PM

frank1970

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Good luck, you�ll need it!

Do you think it would help your plans to start a little more intense recon over Northern Japan?
Do you have bases on the Aleutians to start some longrange recon? (3 squadrons of catalinas, some older bombers and some unexperienced new bombers?)
Just make him unsure where you want to go. Collect unused ships in Dutch harbor (even damaged ones) and increase overall activity in the north, use Canadian units to increase units there, split them in small parts to make them look more dangerous, etc.
After doing that, or while doing that send some small units via sub to india and make recon missions. Keep PzB busy, make him unsure where you want to go. Maybe he will send troops there or only let them there and does at least not bring them to the fight.
Send small units into all islands in the area to look after his strength there.
Mine the ports of his most important supply sources, mine the whole DEI area, mine the coastal hexes so his TFs will use deep water what will help your subs to sink some tankers.
You do not need large minefields, they do only have to be found so they will make his TFs make little course changes. Keep him using all his vessels so you could sink them while on sea by searchplanes etc. He can�t ignore mines in his convoy routes.
A mine block western of Saipan between Japan and the islands would be helpfull, too. Use only little numbers to make the mines dissapear in a short time but let him find them. Have you MLs you don�t need anymore? Put them into some forward bases and hope he will find them.
Defensive mines are your enemy (and I am sure there will be lots of them all over the place), but offensive minefields which make his TFs go longer ways will help you.

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/6/2006 5:26:51 PM

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I have nothing to spare for the Aleutians beyond a pair of AK's unfortunately

Thunderchild is sucking in almost every unit I can find.

My Subs are a lot more dangerous now so mining is not IMO the best use for them I have massive wolfpacks out there.

OK a new plan is beginning to emerge for after the conclusion of Thunderchild.

It is aimed at the Autumn campaign season and will be spearheaded by 1st Australian Army after it has finished off the post Hydra mopping up.

Codename Operation Medusa

The operational order is as follows.

1st Australian Army (Lavarack)
with 9th US Corps (Currently on Noemfoor)
ABDA Corps (Securing Sulawesi at present)
1st Aus Corps (In reserve)

will assault MALAYA - its payback time for Hangover !!!!

Provisional planning is for 1st Aus Corps to land directly onto Singapore as a direct assault while 9th US Corps secures Johore Baru and ABDA Corps secures Malacca as a minimum I am counting on 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, CAN, 1st Aus Cav, 1st US Cav so about 10 Divisions in total.

I am provisionally considering a date of 1st October 1944 for this assault while CENTPAC is in remission following Thunderchild.

Forces for this operation will be primarily Australian, Dutch and NZ probably with the Canadian Division in support.

After landing and securing an objective it is the allied intention to fly the British Burma Corps HQ (Lt General Slim) from China to Singapore where General Slim will begin planning for SWPAC's next objective after securing Malaya...... that operation will be codenamed Operation Sobriety.......

Andy

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/7/2006 12:45:21 AM

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My TF's get hurt again I am placing LRCAP onto my TF's as they retreat.

Sending in my Carriers to try and start hitting Tinian

Andy

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/26/44

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Night Air attack on TF at 34,78

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Elna, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-366, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 108
D4Y Judy x 24
B6N Jill x 34
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 71
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 72

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 151

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 326
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 95
D4Y Judy x 124
B6N Jill x 61
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 71

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 215

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 32

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 6
A-20G Havoc x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 7
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 40

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 44

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 23
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 8
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 42

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 28

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Emirau Island , at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
SB2C Helldiver x 73
P-38J Lightning x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 68

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 104

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 5th Base Force, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 34
Beaufort V-IX x 3
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 11
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 17

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 19th Naval Guard Unit, at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 33
Kittyhawk III x 24
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 27
P-40N Warhawk x 54
P-38J Lightning x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,80

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-161
LCT LCT-329, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-982, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-134
LCT LCT-156, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,80

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-148
LCT LCT-134
LCT LCT-371

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,72

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 4
Ki-21 Sally x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Kate Douglas Wiggin
AK Lawrence Gianella, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Joseph Simon
AK Joseph Henry, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK John W. Hoyt, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK John J. Ingalls, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 34,80

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-472
LCT LCT-469
LCT LCT-326
LCT LCT-371
LCT LCT-178, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,80

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-158
LCT LCT-472

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,72

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Lawrence Gianella, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK John W. Hoyt, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,72

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AR John H. Couch

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Sub attack at 42,52

Japanese Ships
AK Ina Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Pipefish

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Ground combat at Makale

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4701 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 296

Defending force 6761 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 146

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1405 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 555

Defending force 29449 troops, 202 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 555

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/7/2006 2:45:46 PM

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TF's are a moving.

Carriers raid Tinian for the first time backed by Superforts.

My intention is to close the AF ASAP and then start on the Port.

Once I close the AF the superforts will keep it closed while my Carriers hit ground forces and ports

OK In terms of TF's I have 3 on station (6 Fleet CV's) at moment with the Bennington and Ticonderoga TF en route with a replenishment TF and 2 Escort Carrier TF.

A 3rd Escort Carrier TF and the other replenshment TF are providing air cover for the Invasion Fleet which is leaving Entiwock at Cruise speed.

The Hornet/Wasp TF has left SWPAC heading for Entiwock.

A 6th Carrier TF has just left Pearl for the West Coast for a quick refit as they are now at 15 sys following high speed runs trying to catch PZB's raiders.

I am so glad that PZB wasted KB this would be a lot harder if he hadnt.

As a fleet in being I would have had to honour the threat.

Andy

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/7/2006 4:12:12 PM

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I get another CV in about 45 days then its a while until the next few.

Just added it up 12 USN Fleet Carriers, 1 RN Fleet Carrier, 20+ Escort Carriers, 9 Light Carriers....

By my maths that c 2,000 carrier aircaft covering this invasion and a further 700+ on the replenshment TF's with about another 300 on uncommitted carrier trained sqns ready to rotate into the fight

now not all of those are committed at once but.......

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RE: Operation Minotaur - 7/7/2006 9:50:45 PM

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My ASW TF's sink some subs as my TF's close up.

Going to send the heavies in tommorow to see what they can achieve on bombardment

Round the clock pounding will commence now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/28/44

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ASW attack at 71,75

Japanese Ships
SS I-12, hits 29, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Halsey Powell
DD Stephen Potter
DD Porterfield
DD Newcomb
DD Morrison
DD McKee

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Naval bombardment of Noemfoor, at 45,76

Allied Ships
BB Idaho

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 70,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-36, hits 15, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Duffy
DE Doneff
DE Dempsey
DE Deede
DE Edward C. Daly
DE Carlson

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 332
D4Y Judy x 148
B6N Jill x 61
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 70

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 314

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
36 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
48 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
48 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
9 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
32 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
48 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
14 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 9

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 5
B-25J Mitchell x 37

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 7
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 37

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 36
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 6
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 14

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
5 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 37

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83

Allied aircraft
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 40

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Emirau Island , at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
SB2C Helldiver x 74
B-25J Mitchell x 65

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 83
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
16 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
13 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
15 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
28 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 19th Naval Guard Unit, at 60,84

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 45
Kittyhawk III x 30
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 33
P-40N Warhawk x 62
P-38J Lightning x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
16 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
16 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
62 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
21 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
24 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 66
TBM Avenger x 86

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 4 damaged
TBM Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 91

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
22 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
23 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 45
TBM Avenger x 56

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 7 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 55

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
25 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hohuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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ASW attack at 42,52

Japanese Ships
PG Takunan Maru #3
PG Uji
PG Takunan Maru #8
PG Tamo Maru #6
PG Busho Maru
PG Kaikei Maru
PG Kure Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS Pipefish, hits 2

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Ground combat at Makale

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4673 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 301

Defending force 6875 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 147

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 592

Defending force 29542 troops, 202 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 554

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/7/2006 9:52:25 PM

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Thunderchild

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/7/2006 10:46:35 PM

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I estimate 2 weeks for the invasion to get there so that will allow 24/7 pounding of the base.

I ordered the 29's to go in and close the AF today will be a max effort strike day trying to close the AF

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/7/2006 11:00:38 PM

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Out of interest... What are you expecting to meet at your target in terms of infantry, fighters and fleet units?

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/7/2006 11:09:38 PM

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I am expecting a minimum of 1,000 AV, about 60,000 troops and a 1 in 4 chance of 240mm CD guns plus probably some armour....

But it is flat terrain whereas Saipan and Pagan are mountains so I will avoid the x3 mountain multiple.

In aircraft and ships I just don't know is this PZB's line in the sand. He has a powerfull surface fleet and I am still short of this type of units (my surfact TF's are CL leaders with 7 Fletcher Class DD's).

He has 12 BB's but one is in dry dock.
Potentially several CA's will be back from yards and probably 1 or 2 CV's (I dont think Japanese yards can have fixed more than that yet).

Our surface fleets are evenly matched excpet for my mass of Fletcher class DD's and DE's but my heavier units are overtasked with other roles.

BB's in bombardment and Invasion TF's
CA's in Carrier and Invasion TF's

The real question is will he use them or wait for a joint Kamikaze, surface assault.

I expect 1,000's of aircraft but with stacking limits and my ability to close an AF at will with Superforts (although keeping all 4 suppressed will be tough) and the attrition to his pilot pool following Minotaur and Hydra I am not sure how hard he will fight.

The no.1 advantage I have and that I am trying to exploit is the lack of time between my operations.

Because of the long pause in ops in late 43 I have been able to pretty much be on continuous attack since Feb 44 hopefully this is keeping his trained pilots low.

Andy

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/7/2006 11:59:57 PM

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For the next few weeks I will trim down the combat replay.

My Battleships stopped one hex to slow and I got very lucky.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/29/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Raid 1 - Georges are tough but they all went down !!!

The AF must be closed by now I hope 40 pilots down.

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 81
N1K1-J George x 23
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 46

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 184
F4U-1D Corsair x 29
SB2C Helldiver x 122
TBM Avenger x 136

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 91 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 24 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 43 destroyed
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed
C6N Myrt: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 38 destroyed, 19 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 4 damaged
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
248 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 71
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Raid 2 stopped the A/C

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 40
TBM Avenger x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26

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Raid 3 going in

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 48
TBM Avenger x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
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Raid 4 now the heavies go in !!!! they are all knackered after this raid I will not be able to keep more than 20 - 30 per day over the target.

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 107

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 174

Aircraft Attacking:
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Nerve wracking almost unlucky PZB !!!

Day Air attack on TF at 63,65

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,65

Ouch and again but allied AA holds up !!!

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied Ships
DMS Long
BB New Jersey

Aircraft Attacking:
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Raid 5

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 13
SB2C Helldiver x 17

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 7 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/8/2006 12:02:39 AM

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OK one more turn of all out effort and my replenishment TF will be up with the carriers.

I am going to move them through the Marianas to try and stop PZB from bringing in Battleships,

I will wait in situ for 2 days more until my TF's replenish then they will go for it.

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/8/2006 1:50:53 AM

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OK good turn for the allies shot down about 250 enemy fighters for about 60 hellcats.

My replenishment TF's have 350 Hellcats and I have lost about 100 so far.

My pool doesnt actually have that many frames so I need to be carefull here.

Starting Ground Attacks in more strength now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/30/44

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Another Japs sub goes down thats 4 so far 3 to my dedicated HK Gps

ASW attack near Tinian at 62,65

Japanese Ships
SS I-178, hits 8, on fire

Allied Ships
DMS Elliot
DMS Chandler
DMS Howard

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Dissapointing Bombardment and they shot off 2/3 of there ammo in one night going to shoot the rest off tonight in three seperate TF's and then withdraw to re arm.

Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65

Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB South Dakota

Japanese ground losses:
568 casualties reported
Guns lost 19

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Escorts pick off another Sub that makes 5

ASW attack at 72,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-29, hits 21, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AK Quinault Victory
LCT LCT-139
LST LST-340
LST LST-339
LST LST-217
LST LST-214
LST LST-69
LST LST-40
LSD Gunston Hall
AK Tuscana
AK Situla
AK Syrma
AP McCawley
MSW Kapunda
MSW Gympie
MSW Gladstone
MSW Geelong
MSW Cootamundra
MSW Ararat
MSW Pirie
MSW Tamworth
DE William C. Miller
DE Martin
DE Lyman
DE Lovering
DE LeHardy
DE Lake
DE Burden R. Hastings
DE Griswold

No launch by the Superforts 2nd day in a row the fatigue is down nicely

OK a note for all the Japanese players the Hellcat eats Zekes for breakfast it struggles with Jacks, Georges and even Tojos and Tonies do well Zekes struggle I am guessing from a shortage of firepower.
Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
A6M5 Zeke x 211
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 86

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1D Corsair x 67
TBM Avenger x 168

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 203 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 69 destroyed
C6N Myrt: 2 destroyed
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 57 destroyed, 27 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 9 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 99

Aircraft Attacking:
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hmmm another division identified I think thats elements of 3 Divisons so far

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Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 87
F6F Hellcat x 24
SB2C Helldiver x 156
TBM Avenger x 56

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 11
A6M5c Zeke x 20
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 18

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/8/2006 2:07:03 AM

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OK my main weakness.....

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/8/2006 2:08:03 AM

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oops

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/8/2006 3:10:07 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/44

Waste of time

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65

Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
BB South Dakota

TF failed stupidity test and went in close to use 5" DP guns.........

only 10 sys so did ok I suppose withdrawing to rearm

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

57 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 26, on fire
BB Alabama

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

not much opposition in the air

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 19
F4U-1D Corsair x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 19
F6F Hellcat x 64
B-29 Superfortress x 114

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:

Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 108
F6F Hellcat x 24
SB2C Helldiver x 149
TBM Avenger x 248

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 6 damaged
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
466 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Aircraft Attacking:

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Ouch Idaho needs yard time

Day Air attack on TF, near Sarmi at 48,78

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 22

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
P-38J Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

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Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 12:12:41 PM

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Well Glorious 1st of June it wasnt !!!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

OK Light CAP no issue

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 28
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 37
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Corsairs Sweep Guam going well

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 43
A6M5c Zeke x 37
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 50

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 60

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 31 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 16 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 38 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 11 destroyed, 7 damaged

Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65

OH CRAP !!!!

What the hell I lost over 200 aircraft today fortunately its mostly bombers which I have plenty of but still its irritating I have no ide what happened tot he top cap.

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 28
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 37
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 80
F6F Hellcat x 26
SB2C Helldiver x 83
TBM Avenger x 170

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 36 destroyed, 8 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 14 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 40 destroyed, 3 damaged

TBM Avenger: 80 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on TF, near Guam at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 12
A6M5c Zeke x 21

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 14
SB2C Helldiver x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Daitei Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
G4M2 Betty x 51

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 116

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 39 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 7 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
B7A Grace x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 115

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
B7A Grace: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 20

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 12
SB2C Helldiver x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
G4M2 Betty x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 128

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Todays losses are replaced from the CVR's but I cannot take tom many more days like this

Sent Saratoga back to replenish sorties the pre Essex class just dont have the capacity to stay on station for to long

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RE: Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 12:45:03 PM

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Would you consider downgrading some of your reserve squadrons ( or squadrons in quieter sectors) to previous versions of the Corsair ( youmay only have 30some F4UDs but you have 1200 of its immediate predecessor and that's not exactly a bad aircraft) and antecedents of the F6F Hellcat in order to free up forces for your main thrust?

I understand you may not have many reserve squadrons to downgrade or quiet sectors but downgrading wherever possible would allow you to rotate these slightly obsolescent squadrons into the fight whilst allowing you to keep a core of your best squadrons outfitted with the best planes possible. This would tend to ease your replacement worries and allow you to mount more sustained operations.

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RE: Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 1:01:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Would you consider downgrading some of your reserve squadrons ( or squadrons in quieter sectors)�to previous versions of the Corsair ( youmay only have 30some F4UDs but you have 1200 of its immediate predecessor and that's not exactly a bad aircraft) �and antecedents of the F6F Hellcat�in order to free up forces for your main thrust?

I understand you may not have many reserve squadrons to downgrade or quiet sectors but downgrading wherever possible would allow you to rotate these slightly obsolescent squadrons into the fight whilst allowing you to keep a core of your best squadrons outfitted with the best planes possible. This would tend to ease your replacement worries and allow you to mount more sustained operations.�

Isn�t downgrading only possible with PDU on? I think when this game started PDU was just a dream. Else I don�t think PzB would have Oscar IIs on duty.

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RE: Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 1:04:12 PM

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This is a pre PDU game. So I think downgrades are not possible.

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RE: Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 1:09:57 PM

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Ah, sorry, I thought downgrades might be possible without PDUs... Sheesh.. Reminds me why I didn't get the game until I heard PDUs were enabled. Sorry about the poor advice then.

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RE: Disaster at Tinian - Halsey Court Martialled - 7/8/2006 1:36:58 PM

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The advice was good just not possible in this game.

I would not want to be trying this battle if the Japanese had 1,000's of Tonies and Tojos on defence rather than Oscars and Zekes.

My casualties are worrying and my CVR's dont seem to be replacing my bombers. Also my sorties are gettign low and to rotation of carrier TF's are not keeping up.

I am considering trying to laugh the whole battle off as a bluff to PZB delay for 3 days.

Withdraw all my TF's to Entiwock re arm replenish and then come back turn the amphbs around for a turn as well.

What do you think would he fall for it ?

I dont want to risk an invasion with my pilots so tired and low on sorties I will think about it a little

Today I hit Guam tomorrow I have ordered a stand down of bombers while I sweep and recon to try and figure out his strength

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/44
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 20
TBM Avenger x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 64
N1K1-J George x 6
A6M5c Zeke x 11
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 109
F6F Hellcat x 138
SB2C Helldiver x 53
TBM Avenger x 145

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 83 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 18 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 50 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 3 destroyed
B6N Jill: 8 destroyed
H8K Emily: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 30 destroyed, 11 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 46 destroyed, 21 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 30
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 71

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
24 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 88
F4U-1D Corsair x 49
SB2C Helldiver x 64
TBM Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
11 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
14 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 6 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Susana

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 7000 feet

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/9/2006 10:36:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I am expecting a minimum of 1,000 AV, about 60,000 troops and a 1 in 4 chance of 240mm CD guns plus probably some armour....

But it is flat terrain whereas Saipan and Pagan are mountains so I will avoid the x3 mountain multiple.

Well, you had better hope you shut down the airfields on Tinian and nearby as he has show n he can airlift 15-25,000 troops in very short order. The Mariannas are also close enough that barges might be a possibility for intra-island transfers. Did you consider that in your calculations? If not, that's maybe a total of 100,000 troops he could get to Tinian, all well supplied. It's a good decision not to go for a place with mountains, that would be a killer.

And what level forts are we talking about? Level 9, I suppose?

What is the strength of your invading land forces? You've done a good job of detailing the naval and air assets assigned to this, but I've missed the force strength of what you're putting ashore -- they're the ones that will need to do the fighting after all!

I see that you've been kocking down his air assets and gradually closing a lot of airfields. Can you keep that up and make the whole area a no-fly zone before you send in the transports? Or at least make his air attacks be at long range -- that should make a for a lot of unescorted bombers and enable you to inflict more damage on his troop/supplies. It would also silence a decent number of CDs which in the past have really caused mayhem amongt your invasion forces.

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/9/2006 4:12:27 PM

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It'spretty much irrelevant to close airfields to prevent reinforcement by air.
Mavis and Emillys will do the trick anyway.

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RE: Operation Thunderchild - 7/9/2006 5:01:25 PM

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I have 170,000 men and about 500 tanks on the way plus two Corps HQ and lots of arty but to be honest I am wondering whether to proceed.

The unit count is rising at Tinian and despite my best efforts I am being outproduced by the Japanese.

I have identified 3 Divisions on Tinian plus an Ultra Heavy Arty Bde and at least some vehicles which means tanks (my worst case projection had 2)

I physically cannot keep my Hellcat Sqns at full strength whereas the Japanese seem to have an inexhaustable supply of fighters. (Hellcat pool is almost exhausted when what is aboard my carriers is gone thats it. I lose 40 - 100 per day depending on what I do and if they shoot down 200 - 300 enemy planes so what I cannot replace my losses the Japanese can.

Also keeping Tinian closed to prevent air transport is almost impossible due to the engineers and supply he has there.

I am very depresssed about the whole thing.

(For all players PDU's will make invasions by the allies in 44 without LBA to cover them impossible IMO I am only keeping up at present because the Hellcat eats Zekes and Oscars a 1:2 or 1:1 exchange rate is disastrous IMO for the allies if all those Oscars were Tonies or Tojo's I would be toast (or god forbid Franks)

OK I will give it a few more days and see what happens a decision will be required before I land any toops I may go ahead just to see if it can be done.

I am coming round to a view that this may just not be possible without a few hundred more superforts and more carriers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 38
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 19

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 40
F4U-1D Corsair x 39
TBM Avenger x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 38 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 50 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,68

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 48
F6F Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/44

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 13

No Allied losses

Day Air attack on TF at 70,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 49
F6F Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/05/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
TBM Avenger x 96

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 23
TBM Avenger x 50

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 21
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 93

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 132

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet

Day Air attack on 8th Heavy Artillery Brigade, at 62,65

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 10
TBM Avenger x 17

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

Day Air attack on 16th/C Division, at 62,65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 58

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
7 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 19
SB2C Helldiver x 93

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
27 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet

(in reply to Arstavidios)

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