ADavidB
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I set up a quick test to verify what happens with v1.801 when Indo-China, Russia and the West Coast are invaded. This is a "vanilla ice-cream" installation of the Game, with no mods or different maps. I started a head-to-head game, with most of the options "off", and a non-historical start.
When I did the first turns for both sides I stood down all aircraft, cancelled most sailing orders and disbanded most transports. The things I did for the test were:
1 - Set the Chinese troops near Hanoi on a march to Hanoi
2 - Set the Japanese troop transports that were destined to go to the Philippines and Malaya to go to various West Coast or Soviet ports. I removed the escort vessels so that the TFs didn't slow down to refuel. Note, I couldn't send any TFs directly to any Soviet ports because the Soviets weren't yet activated.
3 - Set some of the Japanese troops at the Soviet border to invade
I checked the numbers of units around in the three regions. The Soviets had around 89 LCUs including 24 INF and 3 ARM. They were due to receive another 21 units in something over 1271 days - with no combat units in that 21.
There were six infantry units on the West Coast, and San Fran, for example, was due to receive around 39 units over the next six months. The breakdown of units in the West Coast was: Seattle - 9, Portland - 1, USA - 1, San Fran - 13, LA - 7, San Diego - 7
I started the game and let everything start moving. On the first turn, the closest Japanese TF made it as far as Adak Island in the Aleutians on its way to Seattle. After that I had to wait for normal sailing.
As "advertised", when the Chinese units reached Hanoi three "VM" units appeared, each in a different Indo-China base.
When the Japanese units crossed the river into the Soviet Union, they attacked. I checked all the Soviet bases and no new units appeared. I then checked the Ground Reinforcement screens and the existing 21 reinforcements were still set to arrive in 1260+ days - only the incremental change due to the day-clock.
I then tried an invasion of Ohka-Sakhalin to see if the capture of a base made a difference. It didn't.
In the meanwhile, the Invasion transports sailed onwards. Oddly enough, even with all Allied planes set to "Training = 0" the Allied player knew exactly where the lead Japanese convoy was all the time.
Finally, on December 18 the first invasion TF reached Seattle. I had deliberately pulled all troops out of Seattle and only the CD unit was there. The invasion fleet took a number of hits from mines, but the CD did surprisingly little damage, particularly when you consider that all I had there were APs with no escorts.
On December 19 I had the invading troops shock attack Seattle. Suddenly a swarm of US planes attacked the Japanese ships, sinking 4 of them. But it was too late and the invaders easily captured Seattle, destroying 450 planes on the ground and causing all of the ships, including the BB, to be scuttled.
I couldn't figure out at first why those planes weren't on "Training" , until I realized that they had come as advanced reinforcements too. Reinforcements come with a "standard setting" of Naval attack. I checked the various US bases and the next six month's worth of land and air reinforcements had arrived at their specified locations. Unfortunately for Seattle, no land units had been scheduled to arrive there.
So in summary, I observed the following effects upon invasion initiation of advanced reinforcements:
1 - If Chinese troops invade Indo-China, the Japanese get three more "VM" divisions at various bases in Indo-China.
2 - If Japanese troops invade the Soviet Union, the Soviets do not get more troops or planes, nor do they get their reinforcements advanced.
3 - If Japanese troops invade the West Coast of the US the US gets the next six month's worth of troops and planes that are scheduled to arrive at the West Coast bases. (No "National Guard" troops appear out of the blue like the "VM" divisions.)
I have the last couple of saves of the head-to-head available if anyone wants to look at them. Just PM me and we arrange the details of where to ship them.
Dave Baranyi
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Test of Invasion-Induced Reinforcements - 
(lazy? 
Don't guys understand that these are basically theoretical bases and are a result of the maps limitations are should be off limits? Same with Karachi (plus Aden and Panama in CHS). 
In the stock game all those cities generate their own supply and fuel. In the Nik Mod which is adapted from Pry for the supply model only SFO and USA generate supply and fuel on the West Coast so the supply and fuel must flow to LA and SDO and Seattle which it does. I'm pretty sure that it flows directly. What happens sometimes is that since SFO supply and fuel generation is less in the Nik Mod than the stock game .It can be exhausted and then in the next several turns it grows dramatically with an accompanying draw down at USA
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