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RE: Fly the Pan Am China Clipper - 7/16/2006 6:29:34 PM   
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Recruiting for the War EffortOK this didn't appear until 1942 but I thought it looked nice


Nice ***. Too bad about the charging rhino legs. She must be smart though..givne the size of her head.

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We need a BIG can of Bondo - 7/16/2006 6:33:07 PM   
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RE: We need a BIG can of Bondo - 7/16/2006 6:53:09 PM   
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RE: We need a BIG can of Bondo - 7/16/2006 7:16:46 PM   
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RE: We need a BIG can of Bondo - 7/16/2006 7:51:43 PM   
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Japanese Aircraft of the second wave are met with a wall of Flak

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RE: We need a BIG can of Bondo - 7/17/2006 1:46:50 AM   
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Wasnt it CINCUS, not CINCPAC at that time Mandrake?


Hmmm...good point....here is Kimmel's Official title Dec 7, 1941

Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet and Pacific Fleet

I'll fix it. CINCPAC sounds way cooler

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"R" for "Robert" - 7/17/2006 3:16:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		******USAFFE HQ, Manila, 03:30, Dec 8, 1941 (09:30 Dec 7 in Pearl)****

<Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, RAF Liason to USAFFE enters the room. He is somewhat dishevled having been summoned emergently from his repose>


Gen. MacArthur, CIC, USAFFE: Ah..Group Captain, I want you to issue Wing Attack Plan R for Robert immediately.

Grp. Captain Mandrake: <looks briefly nonplused, then regains composure> "Ah, yes, an exercise! Splenid! Nothing like a surprise drill at <looks at watch>..at 3:30 in the morning to keep the boys on their toes.

MacArthur: This is no drill, Mandrake.

Mandrake: But sir, Wing Plan R is the emergency order for unrestricted rules of engagement when command linkage to higher authorities is lost. <looks on earnestly..tiny beads of sweat break
out on his brow>

MacArthur: Take a look at this, Mandrake. <tosses an air raid warning from Pearl Harbor, dated 07:45 Hawaii time> We're in a shooting war, Mandrake.

Mandrake: <quickly scans the message> Oh, bloody Hell! Are the Japs involved, sir?

MacArthur: Mandrake, we are waisting time. Execute aircraft dispersal as per Wing Atack Plan R.

Mandrake: But sir, shouldn't we get confirmation from Washington? Can you imagine what kind of row there would be if we are wrong?

MacArthur: Mandrake, I am not going down in history as the man who let his B-17's get destroyed on the ground 6 hours after a sneak attack by the little yellow bastards. The sun comes up in 2 1/2 hours. Wing Attack Plan R Mandrake. When you are done, come back. We'll share a can of chilled prunes, salted sea urchin roe and a bottle of San Miguel, brewed with pure rain water.

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RE: "R" for "Robert" - 7/17/2006 11:40:13 AM   
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< Message edited by Wellard -- 7/17/2006 11:42:42 AM >

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RE: "R" for "Robert" - 7/17/2006 3:52:07 PM   
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******USAFFE HQ, Manila, 03:30, Dec 8, 1941 (09:30 Dec 7 in Pearl)****

<Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, RAF Liason to USAFFE enters the room. He is somewhat dishevled having been summoned emergently from his repose>


Gen. MacArthur, CIC, USAFFE: Ah..Group Captain, I want you to issue Wing Attack Plan R for Robert immediately.

Grp. Captain Mandrake: <looks briefly nonplused, then regains composure> "Ah, yes, an exercise! Splenid! Nothing like a surprise drill at <looks at watch>..at 3:30 in the morning to keep the boys on their toes.

MacArthur: This is no drill, Mandrake.

Mandrake: But sir, Wing Plan R is the emergency order for unrestricted rules of engagement when command linkage to higher authorities is lost. <looks on earnestly..tiny beads of sweat break
out on his brow>

MacArthur: Take a look at this, Mandrake. <tosses an air raid warning from Pearl Harbor, dated 07:45 Hawaii time> We're in a shooting war, Mandrake.

Mandrake: <quickly scans the message> Oh, bloody Hell! Are the Japs involved, sir?

MacArthur: Mandrake, we are waisting time. Execute aircraft dispersal as per Wing Atack Plan R.

Mandrake: But sir, shouldn't we get confirmation from Washington? Can you imagine what kind of row there would be if we are wrong?

MacArthur: Mandrake, I am not going down in history as the man who let his B-17's get destroyed on the ground 6 hours after a sneak attack by the little yellow bastards. The sun comes up in 2 1/2 hours. Wing Attack Plan R Mandrake. When you are done, come back. We'll share a can of chilled prunes, salted sea urchin roe and a bottle of San Miguel, brewed with pure rain water.



LOL!!!

So THAT'S where Kubrick stole his dialogue from!!

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RE: "R" for "Robert" - 7/17/2006 6:21:38 PM   
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God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural... fluids. God bless you all...

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RE: "R" for "Robert" - 7/17/2006 6:53:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here by way of interest are the official reports regarding the ship damage at Pearl(a little bit early but makes good reading)
1st Report Dated 12 December, 1941

PEARL HARBOR, T. H., December 12, 1941

Secret
From: Commander-in-Chief, United States Pacific Fleet.
To: The Chief of Naval Operations.
Subject: Damage to Ships of the Pacific Fleet resulting from Enemy Attacks at
Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941.
References:
(a) Cincpac Secret Desp. 072244 of December 1941.
(b) Cincpac Secret Desp. 081015 of December 1941.
(c) Cincpac Secret Desp. 100220 of December 1941.
(d) Cincpac Secret Desp. 102043 of December 1941.

1. The following report relative to damage sustained by ships of the Pacific
Fleet resulting from enemy attacks on 7 December 1941 is submitted. This
amplifies reports submitted by references (a) to (d) inclusive:

(a) Battleships.

ARIZONA sunk at berth as result of aircraft torpedoes and heavy bombs which
exploded forward magazines. Ship is considered to be a total wreck.

CALIFORNIA sunk at berth as a result of hits by two or more aircraft
torpedoes; also received one large bomb hit amidships which caused serious
fire. Recommendations regarding salvage and repairs will be forwarded later.

NEVADA damaged by heavy bombs, possible mine in the channel and aircraft
torpedoes. Beached across from hospital point to prevent sinking after an
attempt to sortie. Batteries intact and manned though no power is on the ship.
Recommendations regarding salvage and repairs will be made later

OKLAHOMA capsized at berth as a result of receiving three or more hits by
aircraft torpedoes. Recommendations regarding salvage will be made later.

PENNSYLVANIA slightly damaged by bomb hit, starboard side of boat deck while
in drydock number 1, Navy Yard, Pearl Harbor. Repairs have been completed and
ship is ready for service.

MARYLAND damaged by bomb hit on forecastle and near miss. Ship was moved
to the Navy Yard on 11 December and is expected to be fully ready for service
13 December.

TENNESSEE received one heavy bomb through turret top which did not explode,
but put 2 rammers out of commission. Also one bomb hit aft which cracked one
14" gun. Heat from the ARIZONA fire melted and ignited paint in after portion
of the second deck which was badly burned out. Ship is now heavily wedged to
mooring by reason of the WEST VIRGINIA leaning against her. Steps are being
taken to dynamite the mooring to permit the removal of the TENNESSEE. Repairs
are proceeding and it is estimated that by 14 December ship will be ready for
service less one 14" gun.

WEST VIRGINIA sunk at berth as result of four aircraft torpedoes and one bomb
hit. There is considerable damage from fire. Recommendations regarding salvage
and repairs will be made later.

(b) Cruisers

HELENA damaged by bomb hit from frame 30, starboard side, opening up side
under armor belt for distance of about 50 feet. Number one and two fire rooms
and forward engine rooms flooded. Ship is now in drydock #2, Navy Yard, Pearl
Harbor to effect repairs to make seaworthy. It is estimated that new shell and
framing will be completed within two weeks and ship will be able to operate
with two shafts and with all gun batteries in commission. It is recommended
that ship proceed to Mare Island for completion of repairs to hull and
machinery.

HONOLULU damaged by near miss at approximately frame 40 port side. Hole
approximately 20 feet by 6 feet underwater. Ship being docked in drydock #1
today and it is estimated that work will be completed to make her fully
effective by 16 December.

RALEIGH damaged by one aircraft torpedo which flooded forward half of
machinery plant. Also hit by small bomb forward which penetrated three decks
and went out ships' side and did not explode. It is proposed to dock the
RALEIGH following completion of the HONOLULU to effect underwater repairs to
make seaworthy. Recommendations as to whether all repairs to make the ship
fully serviceable should be undertaken at Navy Yard, Pearl Harbor or a
mainland navy yard, will be forwarded later.

(c) Destroyers

CASSIN and DOWNES damaged by bomb in number one drydock, Navy Yard, Pearl
Harbor ahead of PENNSYLVANIA. Bomb hit DOWNES exploding her torpedoes warheads
and causing serious oil fire. CASSIN was damaged by fire and was knocked off
drydock blocking and fell over on DOWNES. DOWNES appears to be total loss
except for salvageable parts and materials. Recommendations regarding salvage
and repairs to CASSIN will be forwarded later.

SHAW hit by bomb while docking on floating drydock. Forward part of ship and
floating drydock badly damaged by fire resulting from oil and powder. After
part of ship not seriously damaged. Recommendations regarding repairs will be
forwarded later.

(d) Auxiliary vessels.

OGLALA sunk by aircraft torpedo and near miss by bomb at ten-ten dock at Navy
Yard, Pearl Harbor. Recommendations regarding salvage and repairs will be
forwarded at a later date.

UTAH damaged and capsized as a result of hits by aircraft torpedoes.
Recommendations regarding salvage and repairs will be forwarded later.

CURTISS damaged by enemy plane out of control which flew into crane mast and
by bomb which exploded damaging hangar space causing fire which destroyed all
radio equipment. Ship is entirely seaworthy. Repairs are [4] proceeding and
ship will be ready for operations less one amidships crane by 15 December.

VESTAL damaged by a bomb hit aft while at berth at Pearl Harbor, is
undertaking repairs with own repair force. It is estimated that the ship will
be fully ready as a repair ship by 17 December. Docking may not be required.

2. It is believed that the sinking of the OKLAHOMA, NEVADA, CALIFORNIA and
WEST VIRGINIA is in large part due to the ships having been in condition X-
RAY. Had time been available to set condition ZED before receiving damage,
progressive flooding might have been avoided.



H. E. KIMMEL

Copy to:
Buships
Buord



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What if nobody told you there was a war on? - 7/18/2006 6:44:33 PM   
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Poor Kimmel - 7/18/2006 6:46:00 PM   
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I feel sorry for Kimmel. Can you imagine having to write that damage report?

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RE: Poor Kimmel - 7/18/2006 6:48:19 PM   
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RE: Poor Kimmel - 7/18/2006 7:21:39 PM   
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RE: Poor Kimmel - 7/18/2006 7:32:38 PM   
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are the 4 BBs really sunk or are you role playing the thing with only Oklahoma sunk and the others "just" at massively heavy damage ?


No...Wellard posted a historical report from Kimmel. The game report is on page 1.

Oklahoma sunk. No others will likely sink..but Tennessee and Maryland are completely trashed.

The remaining BB's can make 8-10 kts

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Bad feeling in Malaysia - 7/18/2006 7:34:52 PM   
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RE: Poor Kimmel - 7/18/2006 7:35:13 PM   
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Wellard;

I feel sorry for Kimmel. Can you imagine having to write that damage report?







I think that Kimmel has been unjustly demonised for his role in the disaster(as has Short for the Army). Most of the blame should lie with those in the War Department who failed to ensure that the warning message was expedited.Whilst no-one can tell if that would have had any real effect that December morning the fleet would have put up a better defence at least and the IJN airgroups might have suffered 25-30 percent losses

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It could be worse - 7/18/2006 9:23:53 PM   
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It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 12:45:54 PM   
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Dear Diary:

I think I could just throw up right now...I really do....
Husband and Bill have really screwed the pooch here; and now the scuttlebutt has me set to take over this dog's dinner of a situation.
There ain't no justice in the world. Ernie is so mad he's frothing like he ate a whole box of Alka Seltzers and drank 10 gallons of Vichy water.....
I am tempted to go out and get bit by a snake so that I can go on medical leave and duck this assignment....
I will say this though, from the reports, the brown shoes really gave it their all today; they have my respect, and condolences.

CN

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Sing to the tune of "Man on the Flying Trapeze"
..Oh! We fly o'er the treetops with inches to spare,
There's smoke in the cockpit and gray in my hair.
The tracers look fine as a strafin' we go.
But, brother, we're TOO God damn low...

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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 12:49:26 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 1:13:29 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 3:21:50 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:15:46 PM   
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Welcome back tabpub......how was the vacation?

Great.....except the cold that turned into an upper lung infection.....resulting in the brain cramp that you might or will read about soon either in this thread or another....just a reminder to all the little tykes out there......REACT is a dangerous thing......

Australia is great....have to run...ta.

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..Oh! We fly o'er the treetops with inches to spare,
There's smoke in the cockpit and gray in my hair.
The tracers look fine as a strafin' we go.
But, brother, we're TOO God damn low...

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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:17:15 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:18:12 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:19:38 PM   
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What is REACT? Just so I can know what I must say no to...


The carrier REACT button/option... you know, the one that Adm. Halsey ignores...

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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:20:10 PM   
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What is REACT? Just so I can know what I must say no to...

You know........TFs set to React........if you read the Japanese side of this game all will become clear.
Also kids......just say no to cake.

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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:21:01 PM   
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RE: It could be worse...oh, wait, yes it could - 7/19/2006 5:34:30 PM   
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Glad you had a good time.........agree.......just say no to REACT, kids.



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