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Molotov's cocktail - 7/23/2000 6:10:00 PM

illo

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I was playing one of finnish winterwar scenarios of SPWAW. I was amazed to see that russians have molotov's cocktails but finnish dont. So let me make this clear. Finnish forces invented molotov's cocktail (koskenkorva vodka bottle filled with gasoline) due to lack of proper ATGs at start of Winter WAr. Name is joke...as you might get it. Russians may have copied it and later used it against germans...dunno. 2nd finnish seem to have quite much ATGs in your scenarios, in RL those were REALLY rare. Tank was usually destroyed at close range by satchel charges ands molotov cocktails...and often pushing logs in tracks was the only way to immobilize tanks. So now we finnish cant even offer Molotov a cocktail

...plz correct that

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- 7/23/2000 6:40:00 PM

Voriax

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As a Finn I hate to disagree but we only invented the name, if even that. Gasoline filled bottles as AT-weapons is afaik an older invention, Spanish civil war or even earlier. Wait for the new OOB that will hopefully be ready when 3.0 patch comes out. There also the Finnish troops have molotovs. Voriax

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- 7/23/2000 8:19:00 PM

Juho

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Originally posted by Voriax: As a Finn I hate to disagree but we only invented the name, if even that. Gasoline filled bottles as AT-weapons is afaik an older invention, Spanish civil war or even earlier. Voriax

That is correct. Molotov cocktails were first used in Spanish civil war, but the name was first used in Finland. At the start of the winter war Finland had only the following atgs: 48 Swedish 37K/34 18 Tampella 37K/36 32 VTT 37K/36 98 Total Also Finland had 14 old Russian infantry guns used as atgs, but they were no good. Finns destroyed 1904 Russian in Karelian isthmus alone during the winter war. 955 of them were destroyed with guns. Rest of them were destroyed with satchel charges, mines and molotov cocktails. Quite impressive. Juho

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- 7/25/2000 12:07:00 AM

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Whoever invented it made a very fiendish weapon, that is for sure

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- 7/26/2000 1:29:00 AM

illo

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yes...right, thx for correcting me.

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- 7/26/2000 4:30:00 AM

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Originally posted by illo: I was playing one of finnish winterwar scenarios of SPWAW. I was amazed to see that russians have molotov's cocktails but finnish dont. So let me make this clear. Finnish forces invented molotov's cocktail (koskenkorva vodka bottle filled with gasoline) due to lack of proper ATGs at start of Winter WAr. Name is joke...as you might get it. Russians may have copied it and later used it against germans...dunno. 2nd finnish seem to have quite much ATGs in your scenarios, in RL those were REALLY rare. Tank was usually destroyed at close range by satchel charges ands molotov cocktails...and often pushing logs in tracks was the only way to immobilize tanks. So now we finnish cant even offer Molotov a cocktail ...plz correct that

Let my drop my 2 cents ;-) Molotov cocktail is even earlier creation. It is named after russian anarchist Nikholai Molotov (no, not after Soviet politican), who used it to assasinate some general back in 1905 AFAIR. It was made popular during Spanish civil war, due to (relative) efficency against tanks. However, the best "Molotovs" were made by Finns, due to particularily nasty combo of fuels used.

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