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What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 3:55:32 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		Just finished my first season with 1.28 (5th season overall) and the top Runs scored by a team was 628! I never touched the xml in that way (just tweaked the injury settings a bit). Anyone else have this ?
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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 4:10:14 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		must be something I did. The xml file size I was using was 216k, the new one is 225. I guess something was added since 1.22-ish?

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 5:02:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I've notice the same thing the last 2-3 seasons, since 1.26.  A reduction in runs scored.  Fewer homeruns.  Record era's.  But I'm running a fictional league and just simmed 1969-71 and was wondering if this was some kind of period thing reflecting the era.  So that's a question I have.  I had tweaked the settings under options to produce slightly more homeruns and hits than 50 because I like my league that way, but the offensive anemia occurred anyway. I don't mess with the xml. So is this just indicative of the period or is something wrong?   

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 5:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ran dif software against each new versions xml file and according to it there was no change between 1.25, 1.26 and now 1.28. There was a paragraph added in 1.25 that dealt with "new XML entries: FIELDING_ERRORS_THROW, FIELDING_ERRORS_THROW2BASE, FIELDING_ERRORS_OF_MULTIBASE"

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 8:37:19 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		This is a real problem for me

*players with >400 PA
Season Avg HR BA
vers 1.20
06 17.8 .277
07 16.6 .277
08 18.6 .284
09 15.8 .276

vers 1.28
10 10.9 .266
11 .9 .239 (thru April)

Any suggestions how to get this back to reality?

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 10:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say lower the mound, but dunno...

Hope more people give feedback on this.  I'll have to watch my 1966 league (that I keep restarting ).  I had auto-simmed the season about 10 times, making various production tweaks via the option sliders and had it down as close to historical (in league totals) as possible.  So if it is way off, I'll wonder mightily.

I'll post in the next few days with feedback (assuming I don't restart that damn thing again).

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 10:35:42 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		Well since the 3 or 4 other regulars are actually doing real work, I'll take the bull by the horns.

In seach of a solution to the lack of offense, I cranked <ADJUST_HIT_INTO_AN_OUT Value="2" ValueReal=".92"/> to "2" from .975 (i think). I think I went the wrong way




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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 10:36:39 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		2.94 ERA!? YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT IN THIS TOWN, KID!





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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 7/31/2006 10:38:07 PM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		I am going to turn <ADJUST_HIT_INTO_AN_OUT Value="2" ValueReal=".92"/> down to .7 and see what happens.

Shaun please weigh in on this if you know what was changed to create such a pitching dominant league.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 12:23:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Abev

In the game itself there is sliders for hits, homeruns, etc in options.

You can adjust the offense from there.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 1:48:42 AM   
SittingDuck

 

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Status: offline 		Dropping HIT_INTO_AN_OUT will increase league BA and increase ERA.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 2:48:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really think any of the changes I made would impact offense too much.

What assn config are you using?

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 2:58:56 AM   
rwd59

 

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Status: offline 		I too have noticed a big drop in the offensive numbers with 1.28.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:03:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm wondering if the wall colision is causing an impact.

I just finished a 1947 season with real ballparks and Ralph Kiner hit 5 HRs in 562 AB playing his home games in Forbes Field.  In real life at Forbes Field he hit 51.

The total runs scored in that sim was 9300 while in real life there was 10,700 which is 14% less than real life.


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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:12:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Plenty of offense in my fictional association. 60 man rosters, modern day usage, modern day parks.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:19:16 AM   
SittingDuck

 

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Status: offline 		ERA is down significantly in my league, but not BA.  Can't figure that out.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:33:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a comparison of my 1947 NL stats vs. Actual NL 1947 Stats.  I started in 1946 with the early import option and using real stadiums from PadreFans site.

AB - 43,046 / 42,434
R - 4,696 / 5,666
2b - 1,972 / 1,860
3b - 333 / 392
HR - 468 / 886
BB - 5,104 / 4,477
SO - 4,798 / 4,529
BA - 262 / 265
OBP - 335 / 338
SLG - 356 / 390
OPS - 691 / 728

I think the issue is caused by a lack of home runs.  Batting Average and On base % are pretty similar as are doubles and triples, but the lack of home runs decreases runs and slugging percentage.  My experience with Kiner examplifies this situation.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:36:01 AM   
puresimmer

 

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Status: offline 		I'll do some analysis on this tonight. I did change some of the fly ball physics code, so maybe that's it. I'll run some sims with the old and new physics code and look at the delta.



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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:40:03 AM   
verizon32

 

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Status: offline 		Does it help to rebuild the almanac?

This way the stats are updated with latest patch changes?

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:40:55 AM   
puresimmer

 

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Status: offline 		A quick update here, I just tested this and in 1947 up to 8/1 I had 1211 play results that we rolled up as HR. The avg HR distance was 367.35 feet. When I used the old physics code the avg HR distance was 385.86 feet so we are talking about HR's flying 18 feet less, likely resulting in a lot of "HR turns into a fly ball" results. There may be something to this.

I'll keep you posted.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:50:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was just about to post that might be the issue. Reason why is that HRs in my league are waaaaay down, although BA is correct. This is what is keeping the ERA's down significantly in my league.

18' is a huge honking drop. It makes the true sluggers into warning track power hitters.

Were you able to sim these changes several times before releasing the last beta?


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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 3:54:50 AM   
puresimmer

 

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ORIGINAL: SittingDuck

18' is a huge honking drop. It makes the true sluggers into warning track power hitters.

Were you able to sim these changes several times before releasing the last beta?



Obviosuly not enough.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 4:05:24 AM   
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1966, here we come.  Again...



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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 4:10:28 AM   
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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 4:19:21 AM   
Abev

 

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Status: offline 		Shaun I am using a 24 team 2 legaue 4team div config. You probably dont need that anymore.

I couldnt do anything for HR's .

<!-- ValueReal is applied to real player associations -->
<ADJUST_HIT_INTO_AN_OUT Value=".72" ValueReal=".92"/>
<ADJUST_BB Value=".985"/>
<ADJUST_K Value="1.02"/>

<ADJUST_SINGLES Value="1.2"/>
<ADJUST_DOUBLES Value="1.065"/>
<ADJUST_TRIPLES Value="1.10"/>
<ADJUST_HR Value="4.1"/>

Those values produced an avg BA of .260 (17 pts less than the earlier years) And an avg of 9 HRs per player vs 17 previously. Base on min of 400 PA. No matter what I did to the hr adjust it wouldnt budge.

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RE: What Happened to Offense? - 8/1/2006 4:51:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puresimmer

Well its still beta...



LOL. Bit by the Beta. Here I was thinking to myself, "Shaun's betas are like better than other game's official patches..."

Generally true. Remember how bad Sierra's were? Dear Lawdie...

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