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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/13/2006 3:40:06 PM

PzB74

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PDU will give you a much stronger hand dealing with enemy fighters, even Corsairs Pauk!
Andy will preserve his Hellcats and rely more on LBA. So expect him to fight a campaign up PNG and the Marshalls.
He will most likely skip the Marianas/Palaus

Dilemma is how to defend SRA and Burma: think you should scrounge as many supplies/resources/oil you can.
My 'emergency' program was initiated after the invasion of Zamboanga. Some 600k resources and 250k oil have been located and
is on their way to the Home Islands. Also build Nakajima, and not Mitsubishi engines as I did. All 'kewl' fighters use the former engine

So, is Andy only taunting you in the Marshalls to draw away your attention? He probably needs to run supply convoys to PM soon, so
keep your carriers ready I'd say! If his carriers are all in India/Australia, it could be a good time to send 2 cvs, 2 cvls as merchant raiders
SE of PH!

Sounds like your pilot pool is still in a good shape, but remember that you won't have time to train the next generation Samurais to the same
levels. I had to send them into battle with an avg of 75 exp. I'm currently training my Tony's to very high levels, perhaps the Tony-100 is a
superior ac...can always hope!-)

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/13/2006 5:22:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
PDU will give you a much stronger hand dealing with enemy fighters, even Corsairs Pauk!
Andy will preserve his Hellcats and rely more on LBA. So expect him to fight a campaign up PNG and the Marshalls. He will most likely skip the Marianas/Palaus �

That leaves few options PzB - and it seems that Andy will repeat route he took against you. Can't say i would complain about that - he can't go for central NG before middle of 1943 (Allied CAP bonus) because of mighty KB which will be reinforced by 3 more fleet CV in next 80 days! The longer is route to the SRA (i believe he learned from yours game about his mistakes and not paying attention to resources/oil) the better is for me.

(Actually, depending on strategical situation in 1944 i even start to think about taunting him to the Marshalls and lure him into the Mother of all battles and destroy enemy fleet there! Have already some ideas how it would be possible! One or two CV daitai with 99 exp can inflict tremendous casaulties to the Hellcats even they are equipped with obsolete Zekes. Hehehe, Zekes even come into production and i talking about them as obsolete type. This based assumption is based on experience how well Praetorians fought against 60 xp Corsairs with Tojos. Of course, my Navy Praetorians have to engage enemy into battle first - so Kaga and Akagi group should somehow turned into Praetorians)

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Dilemma is how to defend SRA and Burma: think you should scrounge as many /resources/oil you can. My 'emergency' program was initiated after the invasion of Zamboanga. Some 600k resources and 250k oil have been located and is on their way to the Home Islands. Also build Nakajima, and not Mitsubishi engines as I did. All 'kewl' fighters use the former engine

Don't worry, i didn't mention it before, but the imperial Pauk family is well represented at Imperial HQ - Pauk - Speeramada (he is a brother of greates general of all times

) is in command of Imperial War industry Cabinet. We have more than 5K engines in reserves already (both Nakajima and Mitsubishi)! More than 2 million is stored or waiting to be shipped to Home islands!

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So, is Andy only taunting you in the Marshalls to draw away your attention? He probably needs to run supply convoys to PM soon, so keep your carriers ready I'd say! If his carriers are all in India/Australia, it could be a good time to send 2 cvs, 2 cvls as merchant raiders SE of PH!

You are psyhic too!?

. That is my biggest issue at the moment. Recon from GG reached Townswille and found more than 100 Wildcats on CAP plus abundance of ships in the port. Britus fleet (or at least carriers) should be there!

The question is why he keeping so much ships there? not for R & D. Townswille is port size 5. Although he told me that there is 50K supplies in the PM i suppose you might be right - taunting at Marshalls can have purpose to draw my attention and force me to position KB in wrong place! He probably waiting until PM becomes fully operational and can offer close support for supply mission or Gili gili invasion!

There is few other options which have to be considered and i need to have them on my mind!

Sending raiders in the Pacific may sound like good idea but don't forget that only Shokaku and Zuikaku recived their 43 upgrade. So, if i choose to have some carriers out of position i prefer them sending to upgrade rather than some attractive but not decisive victory in the Pacific.

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Sounds like your pilot pool is still in a good shape, but remember that you won't have time to train the next generation Samurais to the same levels. I had to send them into battle with an avg of 75 exp. I'm currently training my Tony's to very high levels, perhaps the Tony-100 is a superior ac...can always hope!-)

Yes, my pool is in good shape, better than historical but i already experienced fall of the overall quality - before air campaign for PM my overall quality was app 80. Now is close to 75. So i planing to send most of the trained groups with 75 exp into the battle. Several ac groups will train themself in combat

and try to fool Andy about my actual strentgh...
As for Ki-100 don't count on them too much - they are just little better than 61 model!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/08/43

Situation is serious in the China. Andy building Yunan as AF from where he can threaten my attacks on Kunming and Changsha. 100 enemy fighters in Yunan and about the same transports (i guess they are moving in base forces). Still i have to keep pressure on those two AF for few days before i can commit final assault on Chinese troops near Kweiyang...

PNG

As i was feared, weather was Andy ally, once again. But, i shouldn't complain too much about that: 30-18 in A2A is not bad (total 44-30), especially with another 8 Kiwies in the Corsairs shoted down!

Same old story. Lae was closed due bad weather but PM was operational. Phew!

Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
B-24D Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

Fortunatly, there wasn't real devil in Andy's shot. Than comes my planes from Siador. I didn't ordered them as i planed (naval/AF attack) to get them attacking after noon sweep from Lae in case Lae is closed in the morning phase but it seems that enemy is exausted too. Only six ac were destroyed on the ground so we must conclude that my Samurasi fought well!

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3 Zero x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 50

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
Boomerang II x 2
Spitfire Vb x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 9
P-38G Lightning x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Boomerang II: 2 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 4 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19

at 6000 feet

In the noon phase, my fighters from Lae visited PM. At the coast of two Jacks i broke enemy defence over the PM. Speedy, where are you?:)

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 49
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 24
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 19
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 2
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Last strike from Siador wasn't planed to be like that. Actually, planes which fly in the first strike were supposed to accompany to these planes:

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
A6M3 Zero x 18
Ki-49 Helen x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 2
P-38G Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/13/2006 6:46:40 PM

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Move the KB towards Rabaul and sharpen the blade Samurai-San

The Marshalls will eventuall fall, not defendable cause all the isles there can be suppressed by LBA from the Gilberts.
Just have to decide how many LCUs you can sacrifice to delay the inevitable. When the Marshalls fall, the Marianas and Wake Island should
be manned and ready for battle.

Think you should use at least 2-3 cvls for commerce raiding - force Andy to committ more escort, perhaps a carrier or two for convoy protection.
This is the golden age you know

Me thinks Andy made a mistake by dividing his Corsairs and committing them in such small numbers. If he had sent 50 of them into combat
there wouldn't have been many Shoguns left....

I really wonder if I will start another game as Japan, checked the first page of my AAR and the first post was dated the 5th of August 2004.
That means 2 years almost to the day. In that time we have covered almost 1000 turns and 2 years and 7 months of war. It should be all over by
next Christmas in other words...crazy

One game and playtime = 3.5 years!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/13/2006 6:57:09 PM

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I think you should commit KB to PM offensive. From a safe distance you can use Kates for high-altitude flak-safe primary naval attack/ secondary airfield attack and keep Vals on primary naval attack/secondary rest. No ship will last a day in PM, you will add some bomber strenght (which is what you seem to need very much now) to your offensive. If you say that he would then know where KB is I say so what, it's not like he thinks its in Alaska or something...

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/14/2006 12:58:13 AM

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PzB, it was his mistake to divide Corsairs I feel that he thought i will surrender after i see few Corsairs. Ok, this round goes to me, but Andy will not make the same mistake twice! We have to be prepared that our Samurais won perhaps the last time in this war!

oh, wait....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/09/43

I admit - this is becoming personal! Speedy didn't bow me and i take few more measures to
convince him that he owe that to me... The only thing which worry me is jelaousy shown by world famous SPAMer, the guy who called himself Terminus... well i will say that Great Danes have a very bad taste

I thaught i could caught Andy at the Mili, and said, why not?

Two sentais from Maloelap were on LR CAP over the Mili and one Jack Daitai. Corsairs didn't fly in the morning phase (bad weather over the Makin, i assume

)...

Day Air attack on Mili , at 84,85

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 7
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 23
B-17E Fortress x 16
B-24D Liberator x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 19 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 9000 feet
14 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 9000 feet
1 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 9000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 9000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 9000 feet

They came in the noon phase, but it was to late.... Ok, i lost 4 pilots from F2 Kanoya Daitai (Jacks) which was awarded with 3 kills and 3 pilots from 65th Sentai (11 kills). The fame goes to 78th Sentai (Tony) which shot down 17 enemy ac with no losses at all. Not a bad trade, don't you think?

Day Air attack on Mili , at 84,85

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 6
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Andy gave up from the PM - i do not know is this a kind of a trick, but i have to continue with attacks. Didn't catch any of his ac on the ground which is pretty weird knowing that several planes were damaged. PM is, according to my recon closed (98%) but i learned not to trust my pilots...

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 34
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 29
Ki-21 Sally x 59
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26

at 6000 feet

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3a Zero x 16
Ki-21 Sally x 51
Ki-49 Helen x 22

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 57
at 6000 feet

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/14/2006 12:22:36 PM

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There, just keep on pounding at the base and as far as I'm concerned Andy can tell you he's got 100000suplly over there. Keep it closed and keep the relieif convoys away and LRCAP if from time to time with Zeros to hurt the possibe airlift. All you have to do is keep it up till March '46.

I'm not kidding...

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/14/2006 12:55:27 PM

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Ok, Kokoda trail isn't kewl BUT did you think about sending more troops to PM?

With no air activity in PM, and if indeed you go on with the beating, preventing him to send any troopship in harm's way, he'll have to invade Gili maybe to oblige you to divide your forces. But right now, did you think about sending more troops to Buna and make them go to PM attrit his army?

As PzB shows you'll have numerous troops by 1944, so why not trying to make a stand there for once you have air superiority?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/14/2006 1:51:15 PM

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guys, guys... let's get calm down....it seems that you've infamous victory disease

, which is undersandable after our tremendous effort we all achive in my game

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here, just keep on pounding at the base and as far as I'm concerned Andy can tell you he's got 100000suplly over there. Keep it closed and keep the relieif convoys away and LRCAP if from time to time with Zeros to hurt the possibe airlift. All you have to do is keep it up till March '46. I'm not kidding...

I don't believe that Andy have 50K supplies there neither. He likes to offer false info too... It seems that PM is closed for any bussiness, but still... I will continue with pounding PM, Honda, but have to be very carefull with that. I wish i could send some Zeros on LR CAP over the PM... but Zeros at Siador are too fatigued (17) for that kind of duty.

My bomber crew can't keep the pace of bombing campaign too... quite a lot of damaged planes and moral is going down (that could be the reason why i'm not getting such a good results of bombing PM AF as at the start)...

I'm moving KB to Rabaul and considering what you've proposed but i admit i'm unwilling to send them into dangerous mission - so KB Samurais will visit PM only if situation allows us to do that.

Why I consider it as dangerous mission? Because i'm knowing Andy - he will likely underestimate the power of the IJA/AF but only once (you may find examples in the PzB's AAR: he invaded Kaveing/Marshalls with insufficient force but next invasions were overcommited!). Next time he will came in numbers, as PzB stated. I'm more than sure that he preparing another bunch of Corsairs and this time I will not see only 10-20 or even 30 Corsairs... more likely he will came with 100 of them. Also, he is a very good player and will learned from mistake which costed him 396 ac (i've lost 221 in second phase of Zmukler-go)

That leads us to the next issue. I can not keep the pace with him in long term. My pilot quality falling (not alarming yet, but still....) and he will always have 60xp pilots at least... and, trust me guys, it is big difference when you have ac group with 75 and 80xp Samurais!

Honda, i'm willing to keep it till March 46. It would be nice that Andy remain stubborn and fight for PM. But he is a very capable player and with abundance of troops/ships/planes/supplies he will choose my weak spot and attack it. And, please don't tell me that is possible to defend everything: The man who defend everything defends nothing!

Still, Imperial HQ didn't gave up from the decisive battle - but rather than looking for trouble, my CVs will wait for the enemy and engage in favourable terms

...

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Ok, Kokoda trail isn't kewl BUT did you think about sending more troops to PM?

With no air activity in PM, and if indeed you go on with the beating, preventing him to send any troopship in harm's way, he'll have to invade Gili maybe to oblige you to divide your forces. But right now, did you think about sending more troops to Buna and make them go to PM attrit his army?

As PzB shows you'll have numerous troops by 1944, so why not trying to make a stand there for once you have air superiority?

In short - no. It would be quite a dangerous to send troops to PM via sea. And it would tak a time while my troops arrives to PM via Buna. He have 4 divisions there which means i need 8 divisions! (perhaps he airlifting troops to Australia for recuperating but no way i'm going in malaria zone and leave this forces almost isolated).

I'm defending Gili Gili - one division and lvl 9 forts. So i'm safe there, for now. As for numerous troops Fish, you are right but even PzB can't protect all his teritory (which is smaller than my). We are going to fight but not in battles which didn't started yet, but they are already lost....

Fish, btw, were are you coming from and what are you doing in Nanchang?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/14/2006 2:10:44 PM

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Where the he!! are your Sallys and Helens!? Don't tell me you're going to rest those that are at least fighting. Push them to the limit! Now and only now will you be needing them. After PM is recuperated you won't need army bombers very soon. Send them on PM daily and lower the morale the better - that way you can rest you fighters from time to time and unescorted bombers with low morale are great for attacking bases with periodical CAP. And that's the kind of base PM is becoming if you can bomb it daily. But you need more army bombers!!! Where are they? Doing ASW duty over Sian!!!???

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 11:16:23 AM

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no, they are at HI on visit to his wifes and children - it is good for morale!

. Patience, my imperial adviser, Imperial Japan still not poses warp technology

and they cant arrive at once from China.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/10 & 03/11/43

Bombarded Makin with 3 CA - 900 casaulties but only one Corsair destroyed on the ground.

CHINA

Oooops! Forget to stood down bombers and they' attacked Kunming without escort. Fortunatly almost no enemy CAP there... But this gives me a new idea for another cuning plan!

Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 32
Ki-46-III Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 58

at 6000 feet

Yunan could be a weak spot - yes, Andy have a CAP there, including a infamous Corsairs. But, my recon found that enemy CAP in low numbers and Imperial HQ considering sending a sweep+bombing mission to Yunan. We are expecting a high casaulties but Yunan is only lvl 2 AF size and we could found quite a lot enemy fighters on the ground (app 100 fighers reported). The question is what kind of BF are there - he is transfering BFs to Yunan for sure so if they have a radar I could be spanked - my available figher force is formidable, but not invincible as you may see. However, if i do nothing there, my AF can say goodbye China.

Let's hope that most of his fighers are damaged due insufficient support.

PNG

Still no enemy opposition in the air. God, If only i could see actual condition of his AF in Australia.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 26
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 72
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed

Bombers from Siador didn't fly today, only from Lae and Rabaul...

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 55
Ki-49 Helen x 21

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 33

at 6000 feet

Good... a free training to my naval LBA!

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
A6M3a Zero x 9
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 51
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 47

Now, i can't believe that he just gave up from the fight for air superiority over the PNG... I don't have a friggin clue about his situation. Could my bombers rout his Sea bees and aviation support in attacks during last 10 days? Is he a really low on supply... but what we know is that no enemy recon are at PM, for now.

That is perfect opportunity for KB, me thinks - our inivincible armada perhaps could move closer and:

a) suprise enemy and win in decisive battle if Andy becomes careless, or
b) give air support for our ships which will finish the threat from PM and buy us a couple of weeks more.

What i really don't like about that plan is Cooktown is lvl 5 AF and KB is exposed to B-24s... but on the other hand, if KB sneaks closer unspoted I could suprise Andy because it is last thing what he would expect! Of course, this plan much depends on the weather - T-storms must be our ally for once!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 4:00:27 PM

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Probable the last chance for you to catch his CVs while he's flying Wildcats. His pilot pool can't be that nice with the CV air losses over PM during the past few days. I would give to your cunning trap a go

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Fish, btw, were are you coming from and what are you doing in Nanchang?

Getting Przemcio231's plane wrecks on the head

Im from the most unbelievable hole in rural France, right now resting under my original sun, before getting back in Nanchang on september for another tour of duty. Teaching french over there, in a MBA center - but Im also in my Master degree of history, doing some chinese contemporary history - and learning a little bit of chinese too

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 5:22:06 PM

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pauk...

Good work fighting off the Allied air forces this late in the war. How are you training your KB pilots to keep their experience levels so high?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 5:31:01 PM

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By not having them fight for a year

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 5:39:26 PM

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Very nice, Fish... i guess it is not so easy to be in China sometimes...and yes, on the paper it seems like good plan....

Hi Admiral... nice to see you here, although Paukashawa suspects you might be Allied spy

i didn't train KB airgroups because i didn't need it so far. I'm very careful with my Carriers and they, after the PH didn't have much work so far. I sent it few times in the enemy rear but didn't have luck to find anything. So, my aircrew on CVs are there from day one.

Crew from CVLs (Zuiho, Ryuyo) gained quite a lot exp in opening months with operations in DEI and only Junyo and Hiyo have app 70 exp - but still very good.

If there is a need for replacement, i disband divided group (9 planes) into CV airgroup. Of cours this replacement/reinforcement are 80+ always....

EDIT: Honda, you are allowed and welcomed to give any kind of advices, but i can't recall that i invited you just to SPAM this masterpiece of AAR

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 5:43:26 PM

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 10:34:41 PM

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excellent results

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 10:45:58 PM

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Pauk, for how long do you believe you'll have the supplies and the fuel for bombing PM?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/15/2006 11:34:32 PM

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supplies aren't problem - some 40 K at Lae!

For the fuel, i guess you are referring to my ships, right? fuel isn't problem (i've just refueled my ships at Rabaul and have KB repelnishment fleet at Truk ordered to sail south) so i can be at PM in three days with my BBs.

I have quite a lot BBs for bombardment of PM available and i can do it only once (can separate BBs in slow and fast BB TF and thus have two bombardments in the row in two days). because of ammo limit. But if everything goes well (and i think i've deserved some luck finally!) i don't think i would need more BB runs - PM would be closed for sure. And i hope i will inflict a lot casaulties to his support troops at PM (engineers, AV support). Since PM is malaria base and enemy should be low on supply after runs and don't think that these troops can recuperate fast. So, IMO 100 bombers from Siador or Lae will be enough to keep it closed for some time.

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 1:05:23 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/12/43

CHINA

I'm attacking Yunan for several days with bombers on naval attack. Not an once my bombers didn't caught a single plane on the ground. Kind a wierd, 100 planes on lvl 2 should be touched...

Night Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 17

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

Ok, not that i was expecting too much from the night attack, but i hoped that i done everything to maximize my effort against Yunan at the day phase. But once again weather wasn't my my friend. AF was open in morning phase and fighers attacked Yunan regulary but
in the afternoon phase Kweiyang AF was closed down. Why we can't just be friends?

Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 65
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 15
Spitfire Vb x 28
P-40E Warhawk x 15
I-153c x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 30 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Spitfire Vb: 27 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 14 destroyed
I-153c: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Losses were heavy, and 30 veteran pilots didn't return their home. It seems that Allied
radar works perfectly and lots of fighers scrambled - important lesson for all Shoguns! Ok, lesson learned and do not try that at home.

Shock attack on Chinese troops 60 miles west of Kweiyang ordered. Will the gods of ground
combat help me tomorrow? Somehow I doubt it...

Ground combat at 40,35

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5714 troops, 204 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4107

Defending force 99846 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2339

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Attack on PM without opposition. Our experts predict clear weather tomorrow and even LBA from Rabaul ordered to attack PM. Two Zero Daitais ordered on LR CAP over PM - lets see if this sneaky Scot trying to bring supplies to PM or reinforcements...

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 26
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

Attack from Siador - fighters didn't escorted army bombers...

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91-

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 47
Ki-49 Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 47

at 6000 feet

AB-go procceding smoothly, for now....

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 1:23:10 AM

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Humm, I don't know if 100 bombers will be enough to keep PM closed.
In my game the Japanese had to use the KB to close PM. Once it withdrew it was operational again within a week despite daily raids. Engineering vehicles do wonders.
It's better to waste some bombs than having PM reopen IMO :)

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 12:04:32 PM

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Thanks for advice Arstavidios. Yes, the worst thing is to allow PM becomes operational. Lets see if we can do something to prevent this!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/13/43

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Weather was clear so my problems didn't have any problem to find and bomb PM to the stone age. In the noon phase, enemy air transports flying to PM were intercepted and 8 of them were shot down. This is only thing which works fine in the A2A combat. Transports will turn on and try to run from the enemy fighers, while their collegues from the bomber will keep fighting and using Bomber Harris "bombers will always get through" doctrine.... even that means 60 or more bombers lost....

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 25
J2M Jack x 26
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 24
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 45
Ki-21 Sally x 55
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
224 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 76

at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
A6M3a Zero x 17
Ki-21 Sally x 44
Ki-49 Helen x 19

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
249 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 71

at 6000 feet

Naval LBA were kept on high attitude because i don't want to lose them - they are still more precious to Japan than a gold!

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
G3M Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 103
Ki-46-III Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Pierre S. Dupont, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
244 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 14000 feet
26 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
20 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 14000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 14000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet

My subs are useless most part of the game. I should ask Fabertong and Speedy how they keep their subs effiency at high level??? Enemy convoy sailing to PM i guess probably under the cover of the enemy CVs.

ASW attack at 50,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-20, hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
AK Admiral Laws
DD Tenedos
DD Scout

Im unsure if i should continue to AB go or it is better to wait for the enemy transports when they arrive at PM. I have 8 carriers, 4 CVL and Hosho but enemy could have 6 US and 2 Brit carriers in the area. I guess i have supperiority in pilots exp, i have more CVs (which means more targets to enemy) but Imperial HQ respecting the enemy strength....

Lots of enemy ships (i guess they are all PTs) are at PM. Not sure that i like it too...

CHINA

Finally some reason to cheer. I got 3-1 odds and part of Chinese troops retreated towards Kunming. Still there is a majority of the defenders in the hex and i'm not sure if my troops would be able to achive positive odds tomorrow (i sufer enormous casaulties and all of my troops have distruption higher than 65!). But will try another shock attack tomorrow.

Ground combat at 40,35

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 208686 troops, 2301 guns, 20 vehicles, Assault Value = 4142

Defending force 99973 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2336

Japanese max assault: 8272 - adjusted assault: 2608

Allied max defense: 2251 - adjusted defense: 700

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
11370 casualties reported
Guns lost 201
Vehicles lost 8

Allied ground losses:
992 casualties reported

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 12:24:20 PM

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Hmpf. Looks like we might see some CV vs CV duels in South Pacific?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 12:55:47 PM

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I don't know what is best: mid-sea interception (with much better chances to have allied ships sinking on the way back) or wait for them to start operations above PM, get a little hurt by land-based hammer than strike with KB anvil, and finish off with the surface action group...

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 1:48:52 PM

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yes Aztez it looks like. I know that you bloodthirsty Finns roots for the CV battle

, but imperial HQ is not here just to appease your instincts

ok, what we do know?

1. our actual strentgh - 675 planes (+ 75 Zeros on CVE TF which should arrive at Ferguson island together with carrier divisions but we cant be sure about that although CVE TF have 3/3 range)

In details: Carierr div 1: 141 planes, CVs Hiryu and Taiho (50 Zero, 47 Vals, 33 Kate); AA rating 3934.

Carrier division 2: 197 ac, CVs Soryu, Akagi, Zuiho, Ryuho (86 Zero, 44 Val, 53 Kate); AA rating 5013

Carrier division 3: 176 ac, Shokaku, Junyo, Ryujo (64 Zero, 42 Val, 49 Kate); AA rating 4505

Carrier division 4: 161 ac, Zuikaku, Hiyo, Shoho, Hosho (60 Zero, 43 Val, 43 Kate); AA rating 5129.

total:: 260 Zero, 176 Val, 178 Kate. If we add 75 Zero from CVE TF that's make 325 fighters....

2. Enemy strength - we assume that 6 US carriers are in area. So far following US CVs were indentified in air battle over PM: Wasp, Saratoga, Enterprise, Yorktown, Hornet and Essex (by watching ac designations). Also, we should not forget that two US CVE are in area and could offer air support to the enemy CV fleets.

Probably two British CV are in Coral sea too... so that makes app 260 enemy fighers on Britus fleet without counting two airgroups from the CVEs

3. Enemy fleet is at sea - last turn my recon over Townswille sought several TFs including CVs! This turn no fleets were at Townsville and only P-38G and Spits flew CAP over Townsville.

4. That means Andy is well aware about threat from the KB, although he doesnt know where I am - for now.

POTENTIONAL ANDY'S MOVES

I've divided them in two groups (1 and 2). Either he want to establish air superiority over the PM and enable transports delivering supply and/or eng/AV reinforcements (1) either he somehow predict what i will do (2)

It seems that option 1 is more likely and my best move to counter that would be moving KB to Fergusson island and waiting in ambush. Next turn i would transfer Bettys from Rabaul to Lae/Siador and give them orders to fly in high attitude and provide very strong CAP to bleed his fighters.

However, we have to be aware this sneaky Scot actually want to go fight/or he is not aware where is my KB but send his carriers towards Gili Gilli. This would trigger a big CV battle. The truth is we have more CVs which means more targets to him, we have aircrew advantage in experience (some enemy ac groups recived replacements after he engaged cv airgroups in battle for PM) but you HAVE to respect enemy CVs, especially after two upgrades. I'm not sure if i can get decisive battle here!

The problems don't stops here. If he decided to protect his transports or simply he is on defensive mode that would mean his fighers would be on 90 % CAP. That is quite a logical decision since he is moving closer to my LBA bases and he is in defencive mode at PM -still.

So if i decide to go for it and leave classic CAP (50-60) i could meet with uber cap and be slaughered (or suffer tremendous loses wihout hurt him enough. Yes, i could find myself lucky and caught him on 5 hexes but don't think that i can risk so much and live my CVs without protection.

Situation becomes even more complicated when we know that weather is bad (T-storms).

Of course, it could be that i'm completely wrong and his carriers are moving to Noumea-Tarawa and guys which reading both AARs are laughing, but we have to be prepared for all possibilities.

In short, quite a good analysis but common Japanese behaviour - hesitation. And we all know what happend in RL when Japanese were hesitant

Imperial Pauk's family have to think carefully.... and Fish, yes, i don't know too what is the better

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 2:11:51 PM

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You'll soon get advantage of Mavis and Emilies me thinks. If he's got CV at sea, they'll see them, you can't have a worse situation awarness then him, your recon assets are directly in theater while his are not.
Do you have patrol planes in Gili too?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 2:14:46 PM

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i think that even if there is no enough emilys/mavis there it would be good to use 1 of betty groups on search
with 15-20 range i estimate that 50 planes is needed to be sure what is going on around

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 2:35:19 PM

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Fish, i do have 20 or so Emilies on naval search at GG. But even those planes werent able to find the enemy convoy - subs detected it!... Sneer is right actually, Japanese recon sucks and i need more of them.

Unfortunatly i do not have enough bases to place them. Only AFs which can support LBA on naval search are Lae, Siador (close enough) and Rabaul, Torokina, Buin and Lunga (quite far away from the frontlines)...

the problem with Lae and Siador is that they are full of fighers and bombers which are needed for the air offensive against PM. And i'm not overstack my AFs - never - kind a gamey to me. But i will have to found the place for one LBA group - that is a must!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 3:15:24 PM

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Mavis and Emilies are float planes and can be operated with an AV anchored at the base.

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 3:18:10 PM

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so Dobadura / buin would be perfect location for float patrols

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 3:56:41 PM

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Hi pauk,

nice screenshots!

Why not strike PM with KB from the hex (north)east of Buna? A sweep of your best fighter units from Buna would arrive before KB's strikes and attrit the enemy CAP. You would be safe from any flanking manouver of another Allied carrier fleet from the Coral Sea, too. If your strike is successful, you can still steam around GG at full speed and catch some cripples. If your not successful, you can easily retreat to Rabaul.

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