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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/15/2006 10:50:40 PM

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Strange that people stopped complaining about that.��

I didn't intend to whine about game mechanics, thanks�

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edit: Hey 3000th post! Yeah

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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/15/2006 11:07:44 PM

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Congrats AJ

I've never received any understrength divs before Mike...but if I do, it could be an advantage as it
would be cheaper to release them from China and send them south before getting fat

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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/15/2006 11:16:32 PM

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Yeah I haven't had any problems either, although I'm not nearly as far as you are. The only shortage I've had (other than no infantry for the BFs) was getting a tank division at low strength (even though I had enough tanks to field the division). As you said, it turned out well because it only cost me 97 PPs to transfer it.

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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/16/2006 1:38:38 AM

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A few more tankers were torched and we hit a couple of transports as well.

All our LCU reinforcements arrived in full strength!

1. Home Islands are being reinforced
2. Okinawa and surrounding islands are being reinforced
3. Formosa is being reinforced
4. The Phillipines are being reinforced
5. Borneo is being reinforced
6. China is being reinforced
7. Kwantung is being reinforced heavily
8. Malaya is being reinforced

This was the single biggest reinforcement for the remainder of the war.
The question is: How many troops is it safe to withdraw from the Palaus/Marianas?
I _Doubt_ Andy will be back

Tomorrow numerous air groups will arrive.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/13/44

Air Combat

As you can see our air strength is returning!

Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 47
D4Y Judy x 24
B6N Jill x 15
B7A Grace x 18
G4M2 Betty x 27
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 141

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 152
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 267
D4Y Judy x 78
B6N Jill x 53
B7A Grace x 45
G4M2 Betty x 24
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Runway hits 223
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,73

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 6
P1Y Frances x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
TK Deroche, on fire
TK Paul M Gregg
TK Paul Shoup, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *Zippo!*
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Convoy close to Kavieng:

Day Air attack on TF at 59,84

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Peter Donahue
AK Empire Steelhead, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Summer, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,73

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
TK Paul Shoup, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,73

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
TK Victor H Kelly, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage *BURN!*

Ground Combat

Ground combat at Samarinda

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19186 troops, 146 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 449

Defending force 9818 troops, 111 guns, 183 vehicles, Assault Value = 133

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/16/2006 4:11:43 AM

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I would watch for a move towatds Java or Malaya if I was you John. He seems to be avoiding the main PI area and working himself towards that side of the map. Plus he will be able to advance all the way up under a cloud of land based a/c.

That places him astride you supply lines and cuts you off. I would also bet that Singapore has a nice repair base with large airfield. I would be very cautious about that.

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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/16/2006 6:37:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

quote:

Strange that people stopped complaining about that.��

I didn't intend to whine about game mechanics, thanks��

edit: Hey 3000th post! Yeah

Didn't say you were whining about anything, sorry if that's how it came accross. That kind of result was a big issue when the game first came out. As an allied player those results led to a train of thinking along the lines of . . . why throw away force z? to why not save it? to why reinforce singapore? to why not evacuate it? to, eventually, why defend any forward areas? to run away/soiling your armor (otherwise known as Sir Robin).

Was wondering PzB, did those reinforcements drain your manpower/weapon pools?

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RE: The Hand of Thrawn! - 8/16/2006 7:04:39 PM

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Didn't say you were whining about anything, sorry if that's how it came accross

Im the one sorry for misunderstanding you

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Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/16/2006 10:33:09 PM

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A not so good day: We were a bit unlucky with the presence of enemy carriers returning
from the Balikpapan mission. They hit one of our cruiser squadrons and I had to scuttle
one ca while another one may sink. 3 destroyers were also hit, but should make it.
Quite amazing that one ca got away without a scratch!

Still, the harassment raids will continue.

Numerous air units arrived today including 2x27 Betty, 3x36 Oscar II, 2x27 Irving night fighters
and 1x48 George. Avg exp is in their 40s. Not great, in need of 2-3 months training before going to
the front. Still, a good reserve force.

A reserve division was loaded at Bombay today, it will go to Malaya/Burma region.
Tomorrow a crack division will unload over Singakwang on NW Borneo together with an engineer rgt and
a coastal defense unit. I will shuffel these force around a bit, one regiment Palembang and Toboali perhaps.
Were should I put the coastal guns, Singapore...Palembang?

Hopefully we can fight a holding action on this part of the front while larger reinforcements closes of
the 'Inner Citadel'. Luzon, Formosa, Okinama are being turned into veritable fortresses with mines, heavy
guns and good troops.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/14/44

Air Combat

All means - even the ineffective ones are used...

Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
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Noemfoor is hit hard: Andy wants it. Using B-29s in a ground pounding role.
2 days ago a heavy cruiser was hit by a B-29 on naval search

Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22
PB4Y Liberator x 7
B-29 Superfortress x 89

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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I though there were a few escort carriers NE of the Makassar strait...year right!

Day Air attack on TF at 36,62

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 12
Corsair IV x 2
SB2C Helldiver x 21
TBM Avenger x 21

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBM Avenger: 14 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CA Atago
CA Myoko
DD Sagiri, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ayanami
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,62

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
TBM Avenger x 7

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,62

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
SB2C Helldiver x 47
TBM Avenger x 33

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko - look how she dodges everything thrown at her!
CA Takao, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Oboro, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CA Atago, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ayanami, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,62

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 18
TBM Avenger x 10

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 7 damaged
TBM Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships - this cripples the Takao. She is scuttled. The Atago will haul herself towards port, but I
don't think she can be saved.

CA Takao, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Atago, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Myoko
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Our naval strike - which I hoped would materialize against enemy cve/transports, finds
the enemy Uber CAP. Gawd I hate this game aspect, most laughable as usual.

Day Air attack on TF at 37,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 48
G4M1 Betty x 9
P1Y Frances x 5
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 178
Corsair IV x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 44 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 9 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 5 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 16 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 9 destroyed, 8 damaged
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We do get in some hits today:

Day Air attack on TF, near Makale at 32,67

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 14
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 26

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
Spitfire VIII x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-177, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Michael C. Kerr
AK Gainsar
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 2

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 4
P-40N Warhawk x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DE Lamons

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,72

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Paul Shoup, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,71

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 15
P1Y Frances x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
P1Y Frances: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AR Christy Mathewson
TK Baldbutte
TK Samuel Q Brown
TK Chicopee, Torpedo hits 1, on fire *burns*
MSW Vireo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,71

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Deroche, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,74

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK J.A. Moffett

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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This is the situation in the SRA/PI/PNG

Think we missed the enemy convoy by 1 hex: and then of course Andy chose this day
to return his carriers from Balikpapan...rainy weather forecast: all clear AM, all
rainy PM. Need more luck than that.

We will try again tomorrow!

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/16/2006 10:37:20 PM

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RIP proud and valorous Atago and Takao, rest in heaven!

Brothers going down together! Samourai cruisers will remain proud till the end!

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/16/2006 10:45:34 PM

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Hi Scott, long time no see! How's life treating you, out of the Army?
Thx for the advice, as you can see of my recent posts I'm trying to take as many
precautions that are prudent without weakening the PI/Formosa region.

You still playing? We stopped a rather good game due to a real war

Anarchy - my pool looks ok, but the reinforcement list for the late war will
produce quite a few 'skeleton' units. This is ok as I can use them as mobile
combat groups and move them from place to place. Guess I'll need lots of troops
when the Red Bear awakens in a years time..that will be a lot of fun

Already
busy building a solid line, even though it means sacrificing most of Kwantung.

Well AJ, I was kinda fond of those cruisers...still got all of the Furutaka class.
Everywhere there are untouchable enemy carriers, the 5 hexes around them will be
death zone.

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/16/2006 10:55:21 PM

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Well AJ, I was kinda fond of those cruisers...still got all of the Furutaka class.

Argh sure thing, Atago class is somewhat sexier... Reminds us of Savo Island... ;)
But well they died a little "better" than their historical counterparts some hex more in the north near Palawan ;)

Maybe Aobas/Furutakas�may�do it too for commerce raiding, they are a little less valuable when it comes to real surface action...

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 4:15:24 AM

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Hey John, I have been reading this AAR alot. I am still in the guard, but home since Dec. I have not had time to play since June. I got married then and then we got hit with a heat wave and I have been swamped with work so my 3 games have been on hold for awhile yet. I may be up for a re-start using Nik's new mod once things get back in order around here.

I know you are trying to strengthen everything, but I think he is very gun shy about the PI and that area. Since he is low on pilots and hellcats, he is looking for land based coverage. I would pull a div and brigade from the PI and place them in Singapore. Say, 2-3 Divisions there and a brigade or 2 farther up at say Georgetown or Kuala Lampur as a reaction force to any upwards attacks. I would really watch for a paradrop north or Singapore if he goes after it. That would cut you off from supply. But you can guarantee he will hit Singapore with 8+ divisions if he goes after it. He seems to be using 4-8 divisions in just about every invasion. So he will bring the kitchen sink if he goes after Singapore. But I would plan on that move and a Java move too.

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 5:33:49 AM

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I would put the coastal guns in Palembang. JMO. Much more valuable.

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 10:28:32 AM

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palembang can be bombed into oblivion without even seeing any allied soldier
with instalation destroyed or not and with singapore in allied hands it can only wait and die
there are too many bases around which can help allies in their march around borneo

question is singapore so important ?
answer is yes - port and its facilities are needed on this assault axis
yes as without singapore you can't consider java and sumatra cut off
second if singapore is important how allies can grab it with smallest effort ?
IMO question is extremaly similar to japanese dilema in early days
best way is to grab mersing / johore baru or both
johore baru is banned in most opening turns but it is best and now allies have free hand to choose - there is river forcing shock attack but assaulting singapore itself which obviously have strongest garrison and max forts in the area is lower probability - taking johore baru cuts off singapore from any reinforcements from malaya/burma - and i expect there are troops that can be used as reinforcements in other bases
mersing is almost as good as it is very close to johore - 3-4 days by road and as it is marginally lower importance it can be weaker than Johore
taking mersing and building there air base was my key to blitzing Malayas in my PBEM against Raverdave - johore fall fast and singapore was cut off few days after landing
so my bet Johore baru first mersing second singapore third for CD

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 11:22:46 AM

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If, for example, your defence force for Singapore was to comprise 6 divisions you could just allocate 1.33 divisions to Mersing and 2.33 to each ofSingapore and Johore Bahru.

That way you have enough to hold at Mersing for long enough that reinforcements from Johore can arrive to bolster things and if the enemy goes for Singers direct you have more than enough to hold.

If the enemy goes for Johore Bahru you can just re-unite the two 1/3rd divisions from mersing and Singers and march in an extra division from Singers and end up with 4 division-equivalents at Johore.

In each case you are guarding strongly against the two most dangerous threats ( direct invasion of Singers or Johore) strongly and yet have the dispersed strength to have enough to defeat an 8-division assault in place by the time all his troops are ashore and he is ready to begin seriously attacking.

FWIW I would agree that Java/Sumatra are red herrings. He has no need to invade them. So long as he kills the AKs coming and leaving they are an irrelevance.

If I were Andy I'd go for Northern Borneo then Taan Island and then Formosa as that would prevent you from bringing sizable land forces to bear on any of my invasions and would give me lots of airbases from which to cover my invasion TFs as I inched east (plus some of the bases on those islands are perfect for B29s)...

OTOH I don't think Andy is, in the slightest, into deep operations and rendering irrelevant large parts of the enemy force. He strikes me as much more of a " see enemy concentration, hit enemy concentration with big hammer" kind of guy... I think though that the forces you have in the Phillipines have scared him off and so I think we need to look farther west. Farther west is either Borneo ( North), Singers or DEI. It won't be DEI because there's no need to go there so that leaves either northern Borneo or DEI... If you've got 10 divisions why would you bolster Phillipines more? He has already shown he is drifting westward since I think what he sees there scares him. No, reinforce northern Borneo, Taan etc and Malaysia/Saigon/Camranh. A division each into Kuching and Singakawang, a couple of divisions into Taan island and 1 more each into Saigon and Camranh would leave 4 divisions to bolster Malaysia.

If I'm wrong and he goes for Northern Borneo or Taan then these dispositions should allow you to fly a lot of troops in to bolster the bases there and if he commits to Singers you should be able to mass 6 divisions there with 2 more in deep reserve ( Camranh and Saigon). That ought to be enough to put a crimp in his plans whichever western route he takes. The only thing this plan doesn't reinforce heavily is DEI since an attack into DEI is completely unnecessary for the Allies at this stage... Perhaps also fly troops and materiel out of DEI to reinforce western and northern borneo and Singers?

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 12:06:22 PM

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if you have 6 div than allocating force given by Nemo is best IMO too
johore is a key
i would think about moving part of troops from java and sumatra - soon they will be out of war - they will not have problem with supplies but there will be little use of them too

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 5:37:43 PM

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just a few thoughts from Imperial Pauk family

1. we are not sure that northern Borneo (Kuching, Brunei) is worth to be defended heavily. I mean, you've already lost majoritiy of the Brunei's oil, right? So fall of Brunei wont hurt your industrial potential a lot.
IIRC, you and Andy have agreement on not using B-29 in AFs less than size 5 - Kuching and Borneo can't be expanded to lvl 5 so you are not losing much there as well.

Of, course, once when he take northern Borneo he will control South Chinese sea but not that you will have many transports on the route to your oil fields.

So, i would live some forces just to disrupt eventual enemy invasion on northern Borneo and disable his units as much as i can and concentrate on Palembang- Singapore defencive line. I would defend Batavia as well - as long you have Sinkawang-Batava line you can hope for smuggling some more precious oil to Japan....

2. As others pointed Singapore is jewel which must be defended at any cost. I'm not talking about shipyard etc... by the time when Andy closes to Malaya/Sumatra shipyards won't be important

any more.

Singapore and nearby bases controlling the whole area and your troops on Java and Sumatra would be lost forever.

If you are short with ground forces, you may move one or two division from Formosa. This will make you quite exposed i know, but you can react and transfer division or two from the Marians (but i would leave those divs on Marians for now, you never know with Andy!).

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 6:13:09 PM

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All CD guns are good for is hitting bombardment TF IMO. I would be much more concerned about a bombardment raid on Palembang than on Singapore. That was my logic.

If Andy really intends to head that way, then I lean to pauk's theory that northern Borneo is the next target. Losing Kuching will pretty much stop the flow of any oil from SRA. I strongly doubt Singapore would be invaded.

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RE: Cruisers hit by enemy carrier ac! - 8/17/2006 7:17:19 PM

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I too discounted him invading Singapore, but then I started really thinking about what I would do in his shoes etc. It is very audacious, gives him command of the whole area, makes alot of bases untenable due to B29 strikes, and last but most important........gives him a large forward repair yard!!!!! Right now, he has to sail a very long ways to any repair yard. His system damage is probably pretty high right now on alot of combat ships (8-15 I would think).

The repair yard is what I would go after. Plus it being a non malarial base makes it a very nice rest area for combat troops, a/c etc. Coupled with a large air base and that base would be high on my list. Very high.

I really think Andy is put off by the amount of troops and defenses of the PI and plans to try and make it one huge POW camp. Cut it off and let it starve. So he is moving west and then north to Malaya. Once he has taken that area, I would start watching Northern Japan very closely. I doubt he will make that move, but he might. I would go after Taan, and then Formosa myself. Maybe even Hong Kong just to mess with your training ground for you a/c. Because from there, I could field B29's or other heavy bombers and start taking out any base you mass a/c at.

Just my thoughts.

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Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 8:59:35 PM

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Better day today

A surface fleet intercepted an enormous 54 ship carrier fleet and torpedoed
the battleship Richelie, damaged several destroyers..and even landed a 5" shell
on the USS Ticonderoga!

Our own losses: 1 destroyer sunk, 3 damaged (1 may sink).

Off PNG enemy Helldivers and B-24s also punished a light cruisers, but she should make it.
Even more incredible: The heavy cruiser Takao may survive. With 99 sys damage her elite
crew has gotten fires under control

Another shock attack at Noemfoor lowers forts to lvl 6 and we decide to reinforce the garrison
to drive Andy crazy

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/15/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

Our new asw ships with 14 DC are quite capable...as Sterlet found out!

ASW attack at 47,45

Japanese Ships
PG Santo Maru
PG Eiko Maru
PC PC-13
PC PC-8
PC PC-3
DD Hinoki

Allied Ships
SS Sterlet, hits 18, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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Surface Combat

We also caught a small convoy south of Balikpapan and sunk a DE and 2 LCTs.

Night Time Surface Combat at 29,69

Japanese Ships
CA Nachi
DD Hamanami
DD Murasame
DD Shinonome
DD Asagao
DD Manazuru

Allied Ships
DE Lyman, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
LCT LCT-136, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LCT LCT-139, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat at 30,70

Japanese Ships
DD Suzukaze
DD Uranami, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kisaragi, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk *magazine explodes*
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 1
DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tachikaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships 54 ships in ONE TF!!
CV Ticonderoga, Shell hits 1
CVL Independence
CVL Cowpens
CVL Monterey
CVL Langley
CVL San Jacinto
CVE Nassau
CVE Altamaha
CVE Copahee
CVE Kalinin Bay
CVE Kitkun Bay
BB Iowa
BB New Jersey
BB Richelieu, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

CA Pittsburgh
CA Canberra
CL Australia
CL Marblehead
CA Louisville
CLAA Atlanta
CLAA San Juan
CL Vincennes
CL Raleigh
CA Indianapolis
CL Nashville
CA Chester
CL Mobile
CL St. Louis
CA Detroit
DD Abbot
DD Aulick
DD Bennett
DD Hutchins, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Izard
DD Melvin
DD Mertz
DD Morrison
DD Newcomb
DD William Porter, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Porterfield
DD Stephen Potter
DD Pringle
DD Robinson
DD Rowe
DD Schroeder
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigourney, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sigsbee
DD Spence
DD Sproston
DD David Taylor
DD Terry
DD Thatcher
DD The Sullivans
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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Balikpapan (31,64)

Allied Ships
AK Meridian Victory, Mine hits 1, on fire
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Air Combat

Super heavy strikes by all that flies against Noemfoor!

Day Air attack on TF at 49,72

Japanese aircraft - LRCAP from Palau!
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 30
Kittyhawk III x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Kittyhawk III: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships - 500lb bombs, some punches through!
CL Noshiro, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,69

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 6
F6F Hellcat x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
TBM Avenger x 6

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Tachikaze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,69

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
SB2C Helldiver x 13
P-47D Thunderbolt x 12

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Minazuki
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,69

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
SB2C Helldiver x 2
P-47D Thunderbolt x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,72

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kako, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,69

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 13
P-47D Thunderbolt x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Uranami, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 32626 troops, 171 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 595

Defending force 21249 troops, 55 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 367

Allied max assault: 1096 - adjusted assault: 1108

Japanese max defense: 228 - adjusted defense: 646

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 7)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 6

Japanese ground losses:
434 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
767 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 2
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Long Lance Impact!

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:18:52 PM

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I agree with most of the reasoning...Andy will most likely move against Northern Borneo,
Java and Sumatra. A longer jump would be foolish and extremely unrealistic. His supply lines are
long and treacherous as it is and only convoys escorted by several surface combatants and carriers
are safe north of New Guinea.

In all I have managed to scrounged ca 4 div worth of troops for Malay and Singapore.
Why not move the CD unit to Johore Baru

Also moving a tank regiment to Singapore.

A good division will reinforce Saigon and all the important bases will be protected.
Same with Hue and Taan: moving 2 divs to the latter.

I wish to create a barrier between Palembang and Singakwang.
Forts, troops, mines, subs, ac, surface forces etc. Our sub laid mines are claiming more and more victims
that have to sail thousands of miles to the nearest friendly repair yard.

Despite of all these efforts I'm still going to STRENGTHEN Formosa and the Okinawas.
The war is only going to be tougher for Andy, the more he push the more resistance there will be

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:38:06 PM

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Nice one PzB, too bad Richelieu had to be the one to eat the fish, but well anyway, that's what happens when you pick up the wrong side ;)

btw so many escort and capital ships in a single TF should recieve some penalties, or if they do not be regulated by a houserule. You just can't expect a normal admiral to handle 50+ mixed real warships, just take a look at what happened to Allied commanders at Savo, or Kurita at San Bernardino with limited units - it was common to see units misunderstanding orders, leading such a formation in combat action (AT NIGHT!) would have been total suicide....

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:41:45 PM

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maximum size per combat TF is 25 IIRC... i guess he put all those ships in escort TF due to logistical nightmares!

I could be wrong of course...

PzB I'm glad to see you have enough troops for reinforcing Malaya and Inner Citadele. Should be a tough nut to crack!

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:42:05 PM

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The Allied formation was surprised...and didn't fight a good battle at all.
Wish I didn't have divided the TF and sent all my ships to the same hex. Still, not a bad result!

Andy doesn't care overly much about keeping things historical. Everything is a means to an end, and he wants to win.
That brings us bot advantages and disadvantages: like this mega fleet that fought like a turtle

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:43:37 PM

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Yes, most likely an escort TF: didn't launch many carrier ac against my ships either. Probably
a mega Uber CAP. Tomorrow we throw the Kamis in their head

We never run out of brave soldiers that can defend the Empire Pauk

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:52:52 PM

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Has to be an escort TF IMO John due to comabt TF size limitations.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 9:58:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Has to be an escort TF IMO John due to comabt TF size limitations.

And that�s the reason why the performance of the Allied TF was so bat IMO.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 10:14:45 PM

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Andy was NOT expecting visitors from that direction...my cruisers were just
hit on the other side of Borneo and he did not know that I 'smuggled' more ships through
the Makassar Strait during his invasion of Balikpapan.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 10:20:13 PM

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quote:

Our sub laid mines are claiming more and more victims that have to sail thousands of miles to the nearest friendly repair yard.

NOT if he takes Singapore... As to Singapore being a risky move etc... Well, great rewards demand great risks and if you look at Andy's recent moves he has shown a willingness to run risks that even I think are foolhardy and I'm happy to conduct completely unescorted landings in the face of CD units and just accept the losses as the price to be paid. So, think on what you yourself say above.... It is a pity you can't just issue an order to prepare the repair yards for destruction really.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 10:25:09 PM

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Hi, I wonder how difficult it would be to add a destroy order that works in reverse of repair/build order?

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