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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 7:17:40 PM   
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I stand corrected on the Black Pilot, I did not know this. Interesting that this was the case in WWI considering all the discrimination the blacks endured prior to and after WWI. I still bet it is soooo far off the mark historically and is more a chick flick than anything.


It was not untill 1994 that the US Airforce reconized Eugene and commisioned him.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 7:31:12 PM   
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Thin Red Line was about war to a degree; it did have battle scenes after all. I just think it was more complex than a let's-go-get-this-paratrooper-home film. It was about the corporate psychology of war, man's role in nature, man's inhumanity to man . . . I'll stop before I hurl. Malik's screenplay/dialogue was the same in Brave New World, that kind of internal monologue where a person is always questioning reality, motivation, etc. So much so that there is never an answer. You either like it or you don't. I don't like it, but at least it's different. Travolta and Nolte as officers wasn't exactly inspired casting either.


Ah, in other words...crap. Got it.

Actually, I got the point of all that, but it always so silly and pretenteous to me that I doubt that I could actually put into words how much I disliked that movie.

What about Clooney as an officer?

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 7:32:19 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 7:47:55 PM   
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Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:03:40 PM   
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best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....


Except that most of it is BS.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:21:00 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:22:57 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:24:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw Fly Boys and enjoyed it very much. I went in expecting the action scenes to be way over the top and I don't think they were at all. Now I'll admit I'm no WWI air war expert so the plane types may have been over done but all in all I feel that I got my money’s worth.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:38:39 PM   
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Check this out

http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf#search=%22Eugene%20Skinner%20WW1%22

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:39:17 PM   
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I don't know about "most" of it. The Germans never sent a super-sniper to hunt for Zaitsev, but other than that...


Yes, but then i don't consider the movie to be a "historical recreation" of Stalingrad in terms of the great scheme of things. Rather, i thought it was a well made and written movie that gives you a taste of war. Saving Private Ryan is another example (though i didn't warm to it for some reason) Loosely based on historical events, it was more about the drama of war than any real life recreation.



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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 8:55:37 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:04:33 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:08:42 PM   
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Thin Red Line was about war to a degree; it did have battle scenes after all. I just think it was more complex than a let's-go-get-this-paratrooper-home film. It was about the corporate psychology of war, man's role in nature, man's inhumanity to man . . . I'll stop before I hurl. Malik's screenplay/dialogue was the same in Brave New World, that kind of internal monologue where a person is always questioning reality, motivation, etc. So much so that there is never an answer. You either like it or you don't. I don't like it, but at least it's different. Travolta and Nolte as officers wasn't exactly inspired casting either.


Ah, in other words...crap. Got it.

Actually, I got the point of all that, but it always so silly and pretenteous to me that I doubt that I could actually put into words how much I disliked that movie.

What about Clooney as an officer?


Forgot about Clooney. I still prefer it about 1k x more than the movie that must not be mentioned.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:10:40 PM   
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Liked EATG but Stalingard better.  Remember the part where the T34 blows the bloke in half?

Only downer for me was the poor dubbing...........

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:12:49 PM   
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I don't know about "most" of it. The Germans never sent a super-sniper to hunt for Zaitsev, but other than that...


I thought they sent their officer in charge of the sniper school, Maj Konig. Is that all bs? Questions such as these are difficult and stressful, perhaps I should go to happy hour.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:12:52 PM   
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For starters - the Lafayette Escadrille was a squadron in the FRENCH air service!
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I stand corrected on the Black Pilot, I did not know this. Interesting that this was the case in WWI considering all the discrimination the blacks endured prior to and after WWI. I still bet it is soooo far off the mark historically and is more a chick flick than anything.


It was not untill 1994 that the US Airforce reconized Eugene and commisioned him.

For Fact vs Fiction in Flyboys see:

http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf#search=%22Eugene%20Skinner%20WW1%22



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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:14:21 PM   
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best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

I would agree that it was better than average, same rating I would give to Saving PVT Ryan.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:15:01 PM   
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I don't know about "most" of it. The Germans never sent a super-sniper to hunt for Zaitsev, but other than that...


I thought they sent their officer in charge of the sniper school, Maj Konig. Is that all bs? Questions such as these are difficult and stressful, perhaps I should go to happy hour.



Yup all BS on that part of it.

Zaitsev was there but I also believe a large part of his true day to day movements are unknown (correct me if i'm wrong guys)


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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:15:36 PM   
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I went in expecting the action scenes to be way over the top and I don't think they were at all.


That's the most encouraging news I have heard in a while.


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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:16:03 PM   
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Agreed T and Nik.

Liked EATG but Stalingard better.  Remember the part where the T34 blows the bloke in half?

Only downer for me was the poor dubbing...........


Learn Ze German, silly Engländer...

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:16:11 PM   
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best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

I would agree that it was better than average, same rating I would give to Saving PVT Ryan.


I personally think the combat in SPR leaves me giving it 8/10. The first 30 minutes.....to think that occured for hours IRL


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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:16:54 PM   
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Political correctness knows no bounds I guess



You say that like it's some sort of surprise?

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:17:00 PM   
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Agreed T and Nik.

Liked EATG but Stalingard better.  Remember the part where the T34 blows the bloke in half?

Only downer for me was the poor dubbing...........


Learn Ze German, silly Engländer...


Learn English Danish twit.....firstly learn to play WW2 games properly

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:17:32 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:18:43 PM   
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When are we playing our next game or have you chickened out? The GF banned you?

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:20:44 PM   
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Why in the hell would the USAF make him an officer 70 years after the war?
For starters - the Lafayette Escadrille was a squadron in the FRENCH air service!
Political correctness knows no bounds I guess

Perhaps because he would have been accepted into the ranks, save for his skin color. Better late than never I would say.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:21:00 PM   
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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:25:27 PM   
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best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

I would agree that it was better than average, same rating I would give to Saving PVT Ryan.


I personally think the combat in SPR leaves me giving it 8/10. The first 30 minutes.....to think that occured for hours IRL


The combat sequences were fantastic/horrific. Scenes in the second half of the movie though left me feeling emotionally manipulated and drops the rating to 6/10.

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:36:00 PM   
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No time for you, Brit-Boy... More important stuff to take care of...


I'll remember this...........

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RE: Has Anyone Seen Flyboys Yet? - 9/29/2006 9:44:16 PM   
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