Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: BLUESBOB

We always play a game looking at what's happening in our game in historical terms. Everything we do is compared to what actually happened in that time frame. Hence, when you come over to Big B's house you might hear things being said such as, "We had a "Savo Island" today", or "Midway" came six months too late". All of our play is done with an eye toward history, even if the things going on aren't following history.

Currently I have AP's and AK's sitting all over the place waiting to pick up troops and move them. I can't, because my political point situation sucks. My question, which is rather silly, is how do I look at political points with an eye toward history? I mean, in some situations I have ships and troops sitting less than a hundred miles from the enemy. Historically I'm sure the ships would want to leave...there's Bettys about. I'm sure the troops would want to leave...a native battalion has no chance against a crack Japanese division. So, what can I say to myself is happening? "Sorry, we can't move you yet, because we don't have the thumbs up from command." sounds lame when everything's in position and threatened.

I know...silly question. I can see that the political points serve a purpose, but they are also a hindrance to playing in a way different from what the Allies did historically. This might not even be a question...I may just be b*tching about what's going on in our current game.

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ORIGINAL: pbear

Consider PP's to be the effort that it takes to get politicians off their collective a**'s to allow the military to react.
"Oh no we can't let our troops in Sinapore leave, the impact on the moral of the people back home will be adversly effected."
"Bunch of silly wogs, they will never take Hong Kong."
"The Philliphines are the bastion of American defence, we can't just abandon it!"

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

The real problem here is what is restricted and where. No way was Manuel Quizon going to allow the Phillipines Army to be shipped off to defend Dutch Holdings in Borneo. This is absolutely correct, and why PP's need to be in the game. But Matrix, in it's "infinate wisdom", also makes you pay the same PP's to move Phillipines Army Units from Davao to Manilla (one part of the Phillipines to another part of the Phillipines). Which is truely assinine. The Dutch have the same problem..., they have to pay PP's to move Dutch units from one part of the Dutch East Indies to another.

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ORIGINAL: kbad

Hey Big B

I feel your pain. I sure would like to be able to move China Command units from one chinese port to another by ship. Oh well back to my map of soon to be former British colonies.

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ORIGINAL: Big B

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

The real problem here is what is restricted and where. No way was Manuel Quizon going to allow the Phillipines Army to be shipped off to defend Dutch Holdings in Borneo. This is absolutely correct, and why PP's need to be in the game. But Matrix, in it's "infinate wisdom", also makes you pay the same PP's to move Phillipines Army Units from Davao to Manilla (one part of the Phillipines to another part of the Phillipines). Which is truely assinine. The Dutch have the same problem..., they have to pay PP's to move Dutch units from one part of the Dutch East Indies to another.

That is preceisly what I meant in case #1 above...but you phrased it better.
B

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ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

not allowing a player to "denude" the philipines (as an example) is exactly the intent of the political points system...one factor that cannot be simulated any other way in this game is the political pressure exerted to carry out one strategy versus another...it would be like macarthur deciding he was going to leave the PI with his army against the wishes of the supreme commander in chief, who might feel (rightly or wrongly) that leaving the PI would be a cowardly or un-ally like move to the rest of the world...

having said all that, it's beyond my comprehension why a toggle was not included to turn the PP system off for players like yourself that want to explore the "what if"'s of this war...

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
The real problem here is what is restricted and where. No way was Manuel Quizon going to allow the Phillipines Army to be shipped off to defend Dutch Holdings in Borneo. This is absolutely correct, and why PP's need to be in the game. But Matrix, in it's "infinate wisdom", also makes you pay the same PP's to move Phillipines Army Units from Davao to Manilla (one part of the Phillipines to another part of the Phillipines). Which is truely assinine. The Dutch have the same problem..., they have to pay PP's to move Dutch units from one part of the Dutch East Indies to another.

Where's the Any key?

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ORIGINAL: timtom

I'd like to unrestrict both ABDA and USAFFE, but play with a houserule that forbids the deployment of their forces outside of the DEI/PI respectively without paying PP's.

I'm guessing that whether a HQ is restricted or not is tied to the slot it occupies. Hence moving the ABDA and USAFFE HQ's to different slots ought unlock them. This also raises the possibility of moving Malaya HQ to one of the now vacant restricted slots if that is desired.

I'm only guessing and don't really know what such fiddling will have, but I'll try it out.

Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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ORIGINAL: timtom

Agree and think this adds to the problem of the Japanese player knowing the Allied Dec. 7 OOB down to the last bullet.

I'd like to unrestrict both ABDA and USAFFE, but play with a houserule that forbids the deployment of their forces outside of the DEI/PI respectively without paying PP's.

I'm guessing that whether a HQ is restricted or not is tied to the slot it occupies. Hence moving the ABDA and USAFFE HQ's to different slots ought unlock them. This also raises the possibility of moving Malaya HQ to one of the now vacant restricted slots if that is desired.

I'm only guessing and don't really know what effect such fiddling will have, but I'll try it out.

Where's the Any key?

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ORIGINAL: Panther Bait

How about a system where a player could "buy" additional political points at a cost in victory points to his opponent.  Sort of a political "ok I'll approve your request to move those troops, but it better work" type of situation.  I am not sure what the ratio of PPs to VPs would be off-hand, but it should be something that painlessly permits the "damn, I'm 2 points short to move this unit" situation, but makes the "I think I will move the Phillipine Army to DEI" an expensive proposition.

I realize that would probably require code changes, but it might be a reasonable thing to implement without wholesale changes to the PP system.

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ORIGINAL: kbad

Hey Big B

I feel your pain. I sure would like to be able to move China Command units from one chinese port to another by ship. Oh well back to my map of soon to be former British colonies.