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Price - 10/7/2006 1:03:29 PM

Red Menace

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In light of the up-coming release of Battlefront, is there likely to be a price drop for the older Decisive Battles games (KP, BiN, BiI)?

I notice that BiN is still �28.99 and already over a year old.

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RE: Price - 10/7/2006 3:02:06 PM

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No idea, but Matrix don't generally drop prices on earlier titles (although it has happened on a couple of occasions). If they thought dropping prices would result in sufficiently increased sales to increase actually profit no doubt they would so.

I don't think the "over a year old" is particularly relevant, unlike shooters or FPS games most Matrix stuff doesn't get 'dated', at least over that sort of timescale. Many of their most popular releases are actually (improved) re-releases of titles originally released long before those three. I'm not sure a price drop on those games would result in enough extra sales to justify it.

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RE: Price - 10/7/2006 3:02:08 PM

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Not official (it's just my opinion after all), but I have seen Matrix Games occasionally do seasonal "sales" of limited duration where some titles might dip a bit in price, but it isn't generally company policy (to my knowledge) to eventually "bargain bin" any of their stock at any time based on how old the software is.

Software usually only goes down in price at retail when they get bored of having stock around and just want it gone. But Matrix Games is not a brick and mortar retailer trying to dump stock.

Of course I could be wrong.

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RE: Price - 10/7/2006 4:11:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hertston

No idea, but Matrix don't generally drop prices on earlier titles (although it has happened on a couple of occasions).� If they thought�dropping prices�would result in sufficiently increased sales to increase actually profit no doubt they would so.

I don't think the "over a year old" is particularly relevant, unlike shooters or FPS games most Matrix stuff doesn't get 'dated', at least over that sort of timescale.� Many of their most popular releases are�actually (improved) re-releases�of titles originally released long before those three.� I'm not sure a price drop on those games would result in enough extra sales to justify it.

But, this might be a slightly different case as it won't be too long before the DB scenarios have all been converted to the improved engine. Why bother buying each when you can get them all 'for free'?

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RE: Price - 10/7/2006 4:35:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Red Menace

In light of the up-coming release of Battlefront, is there likely to be a price drop for the older Decisive Battles games (KP, BiN, BiI)?

I notice that BiN is still �28.99 and already over a year old.

I notice that KP is $29.99. Seems about right. BIN & BII have much improved game engines.

BII at $49.99 is still a steal. Pound for pound I consider this the best operational wargame ever made. Also has lots of free scenario sets that would have cost $49.99 by themselves from other publishers.

BIN still $49.99... Yeah, its worth this price by itself (comes with an excellent TAO4 scenario too). Quality is very high so I can see this (this is a game that will be high quality by any likely standard for years to come)... still BII is the Gold standard for this type of game now (not just the DB series). Perhaps the correct way to look at this is to see this game at a fair price and BII at super sale price already

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Holiday special prices seem to be a yearly event at Matrix... Only a couple months away if Matrix holds true to form

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RE: Price - 10/7/2006 8:50:06 PM

rhondabrwn

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It might be a good marketing ploy to try something different this year for the Christmas sale and offer some game bundles at a significant discount:

COTA/HTTR
BIN/BII/KP etc
Space Games
The whole IL2 Sturmovik add-on line (Case Blue/The Last Days/Banzai)
Sports Package (Baseball/Football)
Ancients Collection (Spartan/Troy/Alexander/Caesar)
Pacific War (WiTP/UV/WPO)
Napoleonics (COG/Campaigns on the Danube)
Pick any three games from the Matrix lineup?
Pick any SIX games... etc.

Just a suggestion, it wouldn't do much for me personally as I own too many Matrix games already to buy packages, but I bet it would appeal to many others.

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RE: Price - 10/8/2006 1:11:26 PM

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BII at $49.99 is still a steal.

No. It's a great game, no doubt about it, but it's not 'a steal', imo.

quote:

Software usually only goes down in price at retail when they get bored of having stock around and just want it gone. But Matrix Games is not a brick and mortar retailer trying to dump stock.

Of course I could be wrong.

You're probably closest to being right.

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RE: Price - 10/8/2006 6:59:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Red Menace

No. It's a great game, no doubt about it, but it's not 'a steal', imo.

I guess its a matter of how you measure the buy. I think its a great bargain because you get multiple theaters of war for one purchase. There's four battlesets that are of the highest quality with full AI.

Sicily-Italy 43
- A full historical Italian campaign (2 1/2 months, covers Sicily & Italian mainland)
- A historically based free landing variant for the full Italian campaign (2 1/2 months)
- Opn Husky campaign scenario
- Opn Avalanche campaign scenario
- Opn Shingle campaign scenario

Ardennes
- 32 turn Ardennes Offensive campaign
- 16 turn St. Vith scenario

Crete
- 36 turn Opn Merkur invasion campaign

Smolensk to Moscow
- 32 & 48 turn Opn Typhoon campaigns

Additional battlesets you get that are very good include:

War in Europe mega-campaign (Jun 41 to Fall 44) Europe, North Africa, and Russia (to Stalingrad) theaters covered.
Fall Weiss (Poland 39)
Burma 43-45
Market-Garden
Kalach Bridge
Czech Rep 45 (US - Russia battle, includes dedicated night turns)
US-Japanese Island battleset
Velikiye Luki

There's also two beautiful non-WWII battlesets:

Rocroi 1643
Crimea 1854

So by my accounting that's about 15 games for the price of one.

Of course my accounting assumes you have a good internet service. If you're on dial up then your count might be very different...

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RE: Price - 10/8/2006 10:13:36 PM

Red Menace

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ORIGINAL: JSS

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ORIGINAL: Red Menace

No. It's a great game, no doubt about it, but it's not 'a steal', imo.

I guess its a matter of how you measure the buy. I think its a great bargain because you get multiple theaters of war for one purchase. There's four battlesets that are of the highest quality with full AI.

Sicily-Italy 43
- A full historical Italian campaign (2 1/2 months, covers Sicily & Italian mainland)
- A historically based free landing variant for the full Italian campaign (2 1/2 months)
- Opn Husky campaign scenario
- Opn Avalanche campaign scenario
- Opn Shingle campaign scenario

Ardennes
- 32 turn Ardennes Offensive campaign
- 16 turn St. Vith scenario

Crete
- 36 turn Opn Merkur invasion campaign

Smolensk to Moscow
- 32 & 48 turn Opn Typhoon campaigns

Additional battlesets you get that are very good include:

War in Europe mega-campaign (Jun 41 to Fall 44) Europe, North Africa, and Russia (to Stalingrad) theaters covered.
Fall Weiss (Poland 39)
Burma 43-45
Market-Garden
Kalach Bridge
Czech Rep 45 (US - Russia battle, includes dedicated night turns)
US-Japanese Island battleset
Velikiye Luki

There's also two beautiful non-WWII battlesets:

Rocroi 1643
Crimea 1854

So by my accounting that's about 15 games for the price of one. Of course my accounting assumes you have a good internet service. If you're on dial up then your count might be very different...

Aye, there's plenty you can get yer hands on once you've purchased the title. Fair point. I'll just have to hope for a sale or save.

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RE: Price - 10/9/2006 2:56:42 AM

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....as it won't be too long before the DB scenarios have all been converted to the improved engine. Why bother buying each when you can get them all 'for free'?

The new Battlefront engine is a lower scale than the DBS engine, battallion rather than regiment. Therefore they cannot be ported exactly.

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