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Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 3:14:15 PM

Dimitris

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Received this email announcement from AGSI:

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Grab it from the usual ANW download page.

Fixed:

337,364 - Fixed a problem that prevented torpedo evasion
1743 - Adjusted defensive anti-air fire
1744 - Crash when rewinding in VCR playback
1745 - Fixed crash when viewing non-nuclear sub with no batteries
1746 - Fixed bad unit placement altitudes
1747,1748 - Fixed anti-torpedo weapon Pk calculations
1749 - Fixed incorrect time display after "Change Start Date and Time" in scenario editor

Added:

1751 - Added ";" hotkey to create sonobuoy line path legs

Access information is available on the ANW beta forum.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 5:19:27 PM

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Hi D, is this available via the Matrix download site as well as an offical Beta patch

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 5:36:13 PM

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I have the same email. I hope a lot more than just that is being fixed and that is just a reflection from one build to another and not a reflection of the complete patch.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 6:28:29 PM

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Sure hope that it is publicly available, soon, so that we can avoid another fiasco (a.k.a. Beta Patch 3.7.1)

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 10:41:08 PM

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Lets not call it a fiasco before it is a fiasco

Give em a chance chump.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 11:14:01 PM

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Oh, that's right.

A patch that turns a marginally functional MP game into a non-functional blob is a FEATURE and not a fiasco.

Thanks for pointing it out so that we can post New Feature Reports under the support sub-forum in lieu of Bug Reports.

I'd prefer using another adjective starting with "F", but we're in polite company.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/2/2006 11:19:42 PM

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Sounds like an interesting new feature. Looking forward to testing it out.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 1:56:13 AM

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quote:

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Oh, that's right.

A patch that turns a marginally functional MP game into a non-functional blob is a FEATURE and not a fiasco.

Thanks for pointing it out so that we can post New Feature Reports under the support sub-forum in lieu of Bug Reports.

Naw. Lets just see it before we start making junk up about whats wrong with it

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I'd prefer using another adjective starting with "F", but we're in polite company.

Yeah the matrix harpoon group is right up there in class. Its a game group..lighten up Alice.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 10:16:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: hermanhum

Oh, that's right.

A patch that turns a marginally functional MP game into a non-functional blob is a FEATURE and not a fiasco.

Thanks for pointing it out so that we can post New Feature Reports under the support sub-forum in lieu of Bug Reports.

Naw. Lets just see it before we start making junk up about whats wrong with it

Who needs to make up anything? The Beta Patch 3.7.1 is available to existing owners of ANW. That's the great thing about science and facts. They are not open to interpretation and can be repeated by anyone.

Hopefully, it gets fixed. However, the Beta Patch 3.7.1 is currently the only one available in the Matrix download area and renders the game unplayable in MP

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 6:15:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: hermanhum
Who needs to make up anything?

Heh...you'd be suprised. There's one character that claims there's 300 bugs in 3.7.1. He's not in the beta team either.

With the quality of bugs like this:

Bug Report: CTD when weapon fired

No one needs to worry about the other 299....

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 7:49:44 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: hermanhum
Who needs to make up anything?

Heh...you'd be suprised. There's one character that claims there's 300 bugs in 3.7.1. He's not in the beta team either.

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ORIGINAL: hermanhum
The Beta Patch 3.7.1 is available to existing owners of ANW. That's the great thing about science and facts. They are not open to interpretation and can be repeated by anyone.

Well the thing is that, no matter what we do, there's always going to be people that are not happy with a product. But for some people, a bug isn't really a bug, but rather 'something that doesn't work the way I want it to'. Perfection is a happy state of affairs found only in the movies and on TV. Unfortunately this isn't TV or the Movies.

It IS however the weekend :)

Later
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There are reasons Herman isn't in the beta team and he has made them clear to the powers that be. Otherwise he would be on the beta team, his absence is not for lack of desire to improve the game. The same goes for his bug reports, they aren't meant negatively, just observations of undesirable results from the game and better documented that most of what you probably get from the beta team. It has been a while since I've coded HC but Herman was there, annoyingly at times yes, with bug reports up to high heaven. But you know what, not a single report was false or concocted, every single one was accurate to a fault and it was left to me and the gang to triage the reports just as your current test process. I expect Herman hasn't falsified anything on the H3 front, especially given the quality of his HC reports when he isn't even a hard core HC player like he is on H3.

As for 3.7.1, I can speak from experience both playing and running H3 servers that it just doesn't work well enough to be used for multiplayer. It was a beta, I get it, please use your time to make the game better, not criticize someone who is trying to help or gloss over obvious defects.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 8:18:36 PM

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Good to hear that in HC Hermans bug reports weren't false or concocted. However under Harpoon 3 a number have been pointed out that were. The ship in land bug was one that created a whole new bug , while the reports posted about units starting within minimum range won't fire was contrived to say the least.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 8:51:32 PM

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There are reasons Herman isn't in the beta team and he has made them clear to the powers that be. Otherwise he would be on the beta team,

The point is he's already jumping on AGSI and hasn't seen the current beta at all. I don't recall him doing that with HC and I was there through some of it. You want to help Herman out Tony, why don't you code him back the chromosome he seems to have lost. You can't really criticize something you haven't seen and try to come off as knowing what your talking about.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 8:57:07 PM

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Good to hear that in HC Hermans bug reports weren't false or concocted. However under Harpoon 3 a number have been pointed out that were. The ship in land bug was one that created a whole new bug , while the reports posted about units starting within minimum range won't fire was contrived to say the least.

What a PERFECT example of a reason not to be involved with the Beta Testing group. Many thanks for your contribution.

The land ship bug was found while playing Quinton Van Zyl's "A Sting In the Tail" scenario and the Minimum Range Bug has already been independently corroborated here.

Just because some users lack the wherewithal to test this game exhaustively does not mean that these bugs do not exist. Open wide and you can get both feet in....

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:06:11 PM

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You know I find it that Ranger who is well respected over at Harpoon Headquarters also calls 3.7.1 a mess and that people should use 3.6.X.

"Hm... 3.7 is a pretty messy exe (even the patches). If you can, get a hold of 3.6, it runs a lot better! 3.6 is not only more stable, but runs faster and doesn't have the many hundreds new bugs and weird behaviour they introduced in 3.7... (yeah, the AGSI guys are even trying to convince us that a lot of the broken functionality/behaviour in 3.7 is actually new features... go figure!!)"

http://www.harpoonhq.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4021

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:06:16 PM

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Herman as long as I was involved you were never asked. Can't say thats not appreciated given the tude. No go play in traffic till the things released. After you seen it...post all you want as you might know what you're talking about then.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:09:07 PM

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Throughout that thread Herman, you failed to answer the accusation that the situation was contrived, you also failed to answer the accusation of plagiarism,that you termed "cloning". I don't think resurrecting that thread as an example of your integrity works well.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:10:39 PM

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Sorry, can't agree more with Tony. Herman and I have spent a LOT of time testing the last versions we have access to, checking each others findings before we post or send a report.
ONLY purpose and continued hope that the most serious bugs (no we realise not all) will be designed out in new releases (yes we know it will be more than one).

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:12:57 PM

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and what version would that be Freek? Whats the point if your not looking at the latest. That makes no sense.

Unless of course you and Herman are looking at the latest....well?

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:21:52 PM

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As always, we only deal with publicly available versions. The latest Beta could cure cancer for all that it mattered. If it isn't publicly available, it may as well be on the other side of the moon.

Bug Report: CTD when weapon fired

Again, thanks for providing yet another fine reason not to be on the Beta Test group.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:28:08 PM

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As always, we only deal with publicly available versions. The latest Beta could cure cancer for all that it mattered. If it isn't publicly available, it may as well be on the other side of the moon.

Right so wait until its on your side of moon. Its not rocket science. Btw.. who's the we in your statement. God I hope its another person.

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Again, thanks for providing yet another fine reason not to be on the Beta Test group.

The current team is doing a great job Herman. Thanks for your input though I'm sure its appreciated.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:31:54 PM

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My goodness. Not only are both feet in the oral cavity, but head up the nether region, as well! Well done, comrade.

The Freak show at your local circus must be making a mint off of you!

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:35:31 PM

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Ah with the jokes again eh. They never seem to get better.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:38:59 PM

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And the usual non-sensical and inane advice.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 9:48:13 PM

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My goodness. Not only are both feet in the oral cavity, but head up the nether region, as well! Well done, comrade.

The Freak show at your local circus must be making a mint off of you!

There's a busy road with your name on it douchebag.

Cya when the next version comes out.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 10:05:47 PM

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There's a busy road with your name on it douchebag.

Cya when the next version comes out.

Does that mean I won't be on your Xmas card list?

Oh woe is me, woe is me,....
Whatever shall I do?!

Let's just hope that the next publicly released patch (Beta or otherwise) doesn't crash every Multi-Player session and thus render the game totally unplayable.

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 11:04:46 PM

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Does that mean I won't be on your Xmas card list?

Yeah.

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Oh woe is me, woe is me,....
Whatever shall I do?!

Oh I don't know, post something gayer (if possible).

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Let's just hope that the next publicly released patch (Beta or otherwise) doesn't crash every Multi-Player session and thus render the game totally unplayable.

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It better be that bad Herman or you'll look like a moron. Oh wait...

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RE: Harpoon 3 ANW 3.7.2 Beta 15 Now Available - 11/3/2006 11:34:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

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ORIGINAL: hermanhum

Let's just hope that the next publicly released patch (Beta or otherwise) doesn't crash every Multi-Player session and thus render the game totally unplayable.

Verification available on Xtreme-Gamer.

It better be that bad Herman or you'll look like a moron. Oh wait...

Yes, it is FAR better to try pretend and hide the fact that a Beta Patch causes each and every Multi-Player session to end in CTD. The more folks try, the more idiotic they look.

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