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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/7/2006 9:42:26 AM   
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Edit : Also, in which hex would be Eureka ?


One hex to the northwest of Sydney... and if you entrench there then you are in a "stockade", not a "fort"

(ethnic Australian reference there...)

And here I thought Eureka was in Greece.

Maybe there is an Eureka everywhere .

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/8/2006 4:43:44 AM   
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Much too small to be on MWiF.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/8/2006 9:21:48 AM   
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I would argue against both oil in Bakersfield, if they need to be together and in a mountain hex (i.e. specifically not in the city factory hex) I would put them in the mountain hex west of the hex containing Los Angeles, on the rail. But Bakersfielding them is better than current.

Well, if you advise me to put the oil in the mountains west of Los Angeles, this is quite the starting situation .
I'm not obliged to keep both in one hex , but I would prefer having them not in cities, and having them in mountains. Now, if you tell me that one oil in Bakersfield is realistic, let's go for it.
So here are 2 shots, one as the area was before (on the left) and how it is now (on the right) without the coastlines to make it simple for me. On the shot on the right, Los Angeles is still a desert, but I will change it.

Please tell me where the 2 OIL and the RESOURCE should go.




Any answer on this one ?

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/8/2006 6:47:20 PM   
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I would argue against both oil in Bakersfield, if they need to be together and in a mountain hex (i.e. specifically not in the city factory hex) I would put them in the mountain hex west of the hex containing Los Angeles, on the rail. But Bakersfielding them is better than current.

Well, if you advise me to put the oil in the mountains west of Los Angeles, this is quite the starting situation .
I'm not obliged to keep both in one hex , but I would prefer having them not in cities, and having them in mountains. Now, if you tell me that one oil in Bakersfield is realistic, let's go for it.
So here are 2 shots, one as the area was before (on the left) and how it is now (on the right) without the coastlines to make it simple for me. On the shot on the right, Los Angeles is still a desert, but I will change it.
Please tell me where the 2 OIL and the RESOURCE should go.




Thank you for repeating the graphic. The right hand map snapshot is much better. The resource is where I would put it, and Bakersfield is in the right place. If you are willing to make one more tweak, I would shift one oil resource from Bakersfield two hexes directly south (in that orientation), to the mountain hex directly to the left of Los Angeles. I would also confirm that Los Angeles ought to be clear, not desert.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/8/2006 11:33:48 PM   
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Thank you for repeating the graphic. The right hand map snapshot is much better. The resource is where I would put it, and Bakersfield is in the right place. If you are willing to make one more tweak, I would shift one oil resource from Bakersfield two hexes directly south (in that orientation), to the mountain hex directly to the left of Los Angeles. I would also confirm that Los Angeles ought to be clear, not desert.

Thanks.
I did as you said.

Would you happen to know the name of the river that flows from about Bakersfield to the Pacific Ocean ?

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/8/2006 11:39:05 PM   
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Edit : Also, in which hex would be Eureka ?


One hex to the northwest of Sydney... and if you entrench there then you are in a "stockade", not a "fort"

(ethnic Australian reference there...)

And here I thought Eureka was in Greece.

Maybe there is an Eureka everywhere .


There was a reference to Eureka, Australia in Lost today. Apparantly they have a lumberyard there!!

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/9/2006 1:53:19 AM   
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The plains terrain is the closest to the barrain landscape in most of the areas. One hex is best converted to forest. The mountains is likely the best terrain for those areas too.

Sorry for not doing a more accurate job but it was a quick copy and paste to get the idea across.

I need to confirm a reail link between the mainland and Nova Scotia... maybe some one already has... but the causeway was not built till '56 I believe. Before then it was a ferry link only.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/9/2006 2:02:09 AM   
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Would you happen to know the name of the river that flows from about Bakersfield to the Pacific Ocean ?



My best guess is the Santa Ynez, as it looks too far north to be the Santa Clara. If someone claims it is the Santa Maria and tributaries I am going to laugh, because they are dry most of the year. None of the central and southern California coastal rivers are very substantial. No river flows from Bakersfield across the coastal mountains, but that is likely due to map and hex boundaries.

The other river in that little map excerpt (the one flowing northerly into San Francisco Bay) is the San Joaquin, and that is a serious river.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/9/2006 7:57:34 PM   
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Would you happen to know the name of the river that flows from about Bakersfield to the Pacific Ocean ?


I am thinking that might be the river here: http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl&q=

(It passes between Oxnard and Ventura, headed east.)

It goes near to the Castaic Lakes, but not over the mountains to Bakersfield.

ajds called it. The Santa Ynez. I have no idea if it has water in it year round...

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/9/2006 9:43:06 PM   
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The plains terrain is the closest to the barrain landscape in most of the areas. One hex is best converted to forest. The mountains is likely the best terrain for those areas too.

Thanks.
I've made it as you showed.
Moreover, the WiF FE map was already quite like what you showed too, giving me an extra reason to do this.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/9/2006 10:00:21 PM   
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Looks better - I'd also move Sept Isles W one hex to make it closer to Baie-Comeau. Right now 7isles is on the wrong side of the river anyways. I can't speak for the terrain but it is pretty much all broken and forested everywhere.

About the mouth of the St Lawrence, I would not move Sept-Îles, because it seems at the right place according to this map, and to google earth.





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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/10/2006 4:22:45 PM   
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Looks better - I'd also move Sept Isles W one hex to make it closer to Baie-Comeau. Right now 7isles is on the wrong side of the river anyways. I can't speak for the terrain but it is pretty much all broken and forested everywhere.

About the mouth of the St Lawrence, I would not move Sept-Îles, because it seems at the right place according to this map, and to google earth.






I'm having trouble identifying the water features then. I thought you had put rivière Moisie on your map (east of Sept-Isles), not the Ste.Marguerite (west). Most Canadian maps seem to show the former preferentially.

Ste. Marguerite runs north towards the lakes at the headwaters of Manicouagan which empties out at Baie Comeau. Moisie runs more in the direction on your map. I actually wonder if the original designers confused Lac St.Jean - Saguenay (runs west/northwest from the fjord you drew) with Manicouagan (runs north south) and the reservoir at the headwaters (which didn't exist then), or the Outarde which is also big and longer.

Here's a good site for Canadian topography
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/topo/map
And a good one of Quebec back in the day (1921, minus Baie-Comeau which was only founded in the 30s)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/quebec_putnam_1921.jpg

Thanks for putting up with all our nitpicking
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/10/2006 5:32:43 PM   
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Would you happen to know the name of the river that flows from about Bakersfield to the Pacific Ocean ?


I am thinking that might be the river here: http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl&q=

(It passes between Oxnard and Ventura, headed east.)

It goes near to the Castaic Lakes, but not over the mountains to Bakersfield.

ajds called it. The Santa Ynez. I have no idea if it has water in it year round...



i am in Camarillo, just to the right of Oxnard on the google map... it is a dry river bed that seasonaly floods, they are widening the freeway bridges over it at this moment.

<edit> the river is the Santa Clara


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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/12/2006 10:41:24 PM   
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Ste. Marguerite runs north towards the lakes at the headwaters of Manicouagan which empties out at Baie Comeau. Moisie runs more in the direction on your map. I actually wonder if the original designers confused Lac St.Jean - Saguenay (runs west/northwest from the fjord you drew) with Manicouagan (runs north south) and the reservoir at the headwaters (which didn't exist then), or the Outarde which is also big and longer.

I'm redoing the area, and will post a picture when done.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/12/2006 10:46:12 PM   
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I think it is much better.
The rivers are (from left to right) : Saguenay (with Saint John Lake), Manikuagan (with semi circular lake), and Moisie ("Moisie" in French means "Rotten", at the female gender -- strange name for a river).

Sept-Îles was moved 1 hex Westwards.




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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 11/13/2006 3:59:59 PM   
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And I can only speculate at how Moisie was named but not here without risking getting banned

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:17:25 AM   
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Starting with the NE.




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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:19:25 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:23:30 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:25:21 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:27:21 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:28:56 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:30:52 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:33:24 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:35:50 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:37:48 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:39:01 AM   
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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 5:41:42 AM   
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We are now up to 4501 coastal bitmaps and the program runs fine. This means I will have to trim no more that 10 hex rows from the top of the map. Maybe fewer.




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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 1:17:51 PM   
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It's hard to see the river between some of the Great Lakes.  Especially between:
* Lake Superior and Lake Huron
* Lake Erie and Lake Ontario

These rivers are hidden by the country border lines.

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RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/11/2007 1:42:24 PM   
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The western half of the US at zoom level 2.



This looks amazing! I would make small suggestions, but at some point I need to learn to keep my mouth shut. Good work :)

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