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MS Vista - 12/4/2006 4:51:47 PM   
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RE: MS Vista - 12/5/2006 6:15:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		here are my initial experience of FoF on Vista, i have GGWaW-AWD and CMAK on the same PC and they run flawlessly

i installed the game on Vista Business 64 bit last night, the install is fine, no problems during the install (i remembered to not install the Eset anti-virus at the end)

Flash is needed to run FoF (Vista warned me that flash.ocx was missing) and a quick visit to Adobe to get version 9 fixed the problem.

the launching of the game is slightly weird, i thought that it crashed, but the initialisation is not as quick and clean as under XP, probably due to running with 1GB of ram: while FoF is running the ram usage was maxed out, so i think i need to run this without the sound and low quality graphics.

had a quick go at a scenario, because i am still learning and reading the manual, but it seemed to work okay, so far.

my first impression is that is not as quick and clean as running under XP 32bit.


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RE: MS Vista - 12/5/2006 8:46:38 PM   
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my first impression is that is not as quick and clean as running under XP 32bit.


No wonder, since the recommend 1GB Ram are for the OS list we tagged as supported. Vista iself already has higher demands then WinXP. So you should ad at least another 512mb RAM if you plan to play on Vista. Just to cope with the higher RAM demand of the OS.


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RE: MS Vista - 12/5/2006 9:11:27 PM   
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my first impression is that is not as quick and clean as running under XP 32bit.


No wonder, since the recommend 1GB Ram are for the OS list we tagged as supported. Vista iself already has higher demands then WinXP. So you should ad at least another 512mb RAM if you plan to play on Vista. Just to cope with the higher RAM demand of the OS.



despite the Microsoft minimum specs, i agree that you need at least 1 Gig to run Vista and a few applications. high powered games & applications will need more.

when idle Vista is showing 30-ish percent memory usage, so that leaves 600MB of Ram for FoF, the thing that caused the concern was the starting of FoF, it was messy with screen drawing problems, is that the normal effect of not having enough free Ram ? it looked ok when it got to the "local game" etc screen.

have you tried FoF on Vista ? or Vista 64bit ?

i plan to try the low memory hack to see if that fixes the performance issue on Vista Business 64bit, and also plan to install it on my laptop with 2GB Ram and Vista Ultimate 32bit.

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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 11:05:57 AM   
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it was messy with screen drawing problems, is that the normal effect of not having enough free Ram ?


It can be yes.

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have you tried FoF on Vista ? or Vista 64bit ?


No AFAIK the game has not been developed for Vista (not on the supported OS list) or been tested on it. Or 64bit OSs.


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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 5:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		to apply the LOWANIM=1 ini hack for low ram use i looked and searched for the "forgeoffreedom.ini" file in all the normal places, the application directory, the windows directory and even my profile directory... it was nowhere to be seen... perhaps it hasnt been created yet ? i will look again later

question, if fof is unable to create the ini file, because of Vistas different security functionality, would there be a nag error message or would it be silent ? if Vista is not allowing fof to create the ini file, would it tell the user ?

anyway, back to the performance hacking, so i applied the nosound, no video, no music etc hack by renaming the directories,

the launching of FoF is much cleaner, less flickering when transitioning between the initial splash screen and the choose game screen.

when inside the game it seems the same as before, with no obvious problems, a little font sizing in a few places but smooth and responsive.





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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 5:44:13 PM   
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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 5:47:43 PM   
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No AFAIK the game has not been developed for Vista (not on the supported OS list) or been tested on it. Or 64bit OSs.



This is an obvious concern, since the majority of new computer purchases after Jan 07 will be loaded with Vista. Will Vista be added to the list of supported OS'es?

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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 5:58:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FFE


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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

No AFAIK the game has not been developed for Vista (not on the supported OS list) or been tested on it. Or 64bit OSs.



This is an obvious concern, since the majority of new computer purchases after Jan 07 will be loaded with Vista. Will Vista be added to the list of supported OS'es?



Generally there shouldn't be any problems with our games running on Vista, some people have already reported that they didn't have problems installing and running our games on Vista.

The things reported by "oi_you_nutter" are basically based on to low RAM. We will need to adjust the minimum system requirements accordingly if people want to run game son Vista, as Vista itself has higher demands (especially on RAM) then Windows XP.

To put Vista officially on the supported OS list we will need to make certain tests, which we of course will do.

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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 6:34:04 PM   
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let me revise my previous figure, on my PC with 1GB ram, with nothing else running, even the sidebar was turned off Vista is showing around 50% memory free.

btw, its a Vista Business 64bit running on a 3000+ AMD64, 1GB PC3200 RAM, ATI 256MB X1300 graphics and SATA1 disk drive, the Vista Experience score is 3.9. Although the Vista Experience score doesnt report it, i would agree that the amount of ram is the weak link in this PC.

There are going to be a lot of new consumer PCs with similar RAM amounts when Vista goes public early next year.


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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 8:38:17 PM   
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There are going to be a lot of new consumer PCs with similar RAM amounts when Vista goes public early next year.


Yep, and many will notice that they need more RAM in order to play games


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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 8:40:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting read on the Windows Vista Experience score:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Experience-Index-Calculate-the-Vista-PC-Score-41047.shtml




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RE: MS Vista - 12/6/2006 9:41:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		the Vista Experience score is going to mislead a lot of people, my desktop has a lowest score of 3.9, the rest are all over 4.

another thing i can try is turning off Aero and all the pretty graphics stuff.


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RE: MS Vista - 12/7/2006 12:13:29 AM   
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RE: MS Vista - 12/7/2006 2:17:12 AM   
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I'm starting to ask myself what this "Vista Experience Score" things is any good for


it gives the ability to boast..

a friend has a core-duo, with DDR2 667 Ram and a Nvidia 7900 graphics card, blah blah and get well over 5

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