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Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/7/2006 5:31:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering if the more experienced wargamers here would have a suggestion for a good fighter game especially based on WW2, I have a pc joystick that's collecting dust and thought it would be perfect for this type of game. I'm usually into strategy but flying fighter planes sounds pretty cool.
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/7/2006 5:34:06 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/7/2006 5:45:16 PM   
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A wee heads up about IL-2 here, Sturmovik 1946 is about to be released and it includes ALL the previous expantions.

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3251021/IL2_Sturmovik_1946/Product.html

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/7/2006 11:38:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have IL-2, (the first edition) and it scared me when it gave me a blue screen error message about how "windows has recovered from a serious error, etc".  I'm afraid to play it anymore.

Ubisoft's Pacific Battles wont run properly.  I can't raise the landing gear on my F-4F3 Wildcat - the keyboard controls just won't work.

Combat Flight Simulator 3 runs well, but there's absolutely no way to win the campaign game.  No matter what I do, the Germans invade the UK and march up Whitehall in a few months.  Here I got a pilot with gobs of medals, all kinds of kills, and enough ships sunk to walk across the channel on the rusting hulks, and it just don't matter.

What I'd really like to see is a mod to CFS-3 that gives me an F-4C and some commie Migs to shoot at.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 1:04:47 AM   
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Ubisoft's Pacific Battles wont run properly. I can't raise the landing gear on my F-4F3 Wildcat - the keyboard controls just won't work.


Never had any problems running Sturmovik and all its expantions, did yoo try to reasign the keys in the setup panel? Just curious as I played for years in a squadron and still take the O'L flying tank out for spin every other week.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 1:19:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		The IL-2 series (including Pacific Fighters) - they are excellent for the feel of flying a WWII fighter/bomber. However, their campaigns leave me cold. Lots of text to read, looooooong boring flights to the target, to miss or be shot down, and loooooong boring flights back (assuming you don't get nailed). I didn't like it.

For immersion and dynamic campaigns, it's hard to beat Falcon 4 Allied Force (you didn't specifically specify WWII) and Battle of Britain 2...although the latter was pretty bug ridden on release, I think they've sorted the majority of it out now.

I have all the aforementioned but rarely play any. Years ago, flight sims were my dream come true...now I just don't have the time to fly these ultra-realistic flight models...preventing speed bleed and trying to keep the edge. They are excellent games....but as I said, for dynamic campaigns and immersion, you cannot beat F4:AF and BoBII


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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 1:53:01 AM   
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Never had any problems running Sturmovik and all its expantions, did yoo try to reasign the keys in the setup panel? Just curious as I played for years in a squadron and still take the O'L flying tank out for spin every other week.




No matter what I did, I couldn't get my F-4F's landing gear to work. I tried assigning the control to my joystick and everything else I could think of. Some planes worked OK; others didn't. Never could figure it out. I got the blue screen error playing the original IL-2. Blue screen errors scare me. That's what happened to my old computer. Not worth the risk.


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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 1:56:52 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 2:05:28 AM   
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Never had any problems running Sturmovik and all its expantions, did yoo try to reasign the keys in the setup panel? Just curious as I played for years in a squadron and still take the O'L flying tank out for spin every other week.




No matter what I did, I couldn't get my F-4F's landing gear to work. I tried assigning the control to my joystick and everything else I could think of. Some planes worked OK; others didn't. Never could figure it out. I got the blue screen error playing the original IL-2. Blue screen errors scare me. That's what happened to my old computer. Not worth the risk.



THat's because those planes have manual gear. Did you keep hitting the key to raise/lower? On the F4F and others, since they use hand crank, you have to keep hitting the key over and over to simulate cranking the gear. You also have to manually define the key. So while "G" is the gear key for all the other planes, you must define a "lower gear" and a "raise gear" key for planes with a crank. I use Shift-G and Cntrl-G respectively, and have to press each about 25 times to lower/raise the gear.

It isn't a bug, it is a design feature. Just press the key and keep pressing until the "Gear Lowered" or "Gear Raised" is displayed. Alternatively, in the F4F, as you hit the keys look to the lower right of the cockpit and see if the handcrank is turning, to confirm it is working right.


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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 4:41:13 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 7:57:04 AM   
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THat's because those planes have manual gear.



Duh!

That's one thing that never entered my mind.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 10:04:52 AM   
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What I'd really like to see is a mod to CFS-3 that gives me an F-4C and some commie Migs to shoot at.


Have you played Wings over Vietnam, Doggie? Cracking sim, as long as you don't expect uber-realism.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 12:16:41 PM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/8/2006 10:30:49 PM   
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Have you played Wings over Vietnam, Doggie? Cracking sim, as long as you don't expect uber-realism.



Haven't seen that one. I've got some stuff I picked up in the bargain bin at Best Buy that are pieces of crap, like Lock On. I don't really care about ultra realistic skins where you can see every rivet, I just want the game to run smoothly, and I don't want to burn up my printer on a three thousand page manual full of crap I got to study for three years before I can play the game. If that's what I wanted, I'd go to MIT and get a degree in aeronautics.

What works for me is a relatively simple flight sim where I don't have to worry about crap like monitoring the exhaust gas temperature and the cowl flap settings, because I'm setting at a keyboard; not in a cockpit. In a real cockpit, I don't have to break out a flight manual to find the trim tab controls because they're right there staring me in the face. And all I have to do to locate a bogey is look out the window instead of taking my attention away from flying the aircraft to select all the different views and flick a hat switch.

What I want is a keyboard overlay that lists all the hot keys so I can find them with a little practice, more or less accurate flight characteristics, and if there's additional crewmen on board, I don't want to have to engage my autopilot and jump back and forth between all the stations doing their jobs for them. If I'm flying an F-4C with a WSO in the back seat, I expect my AIM-7s to be boresighted and ready to fly when I select them.

More realistic scenarios would be neat as well. It was a rare world war II pilot who could chase down a whole staffel of cyber nazis and flame them one at a time as they obligingly circle the target area.


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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 1:49:30 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 2:51:57 AM   
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Also, one of the BIGGEST turn offs for me, with Pacific Fighters, was the lack of any torpedo bombers on release. Even now, there are no US ones (not for the campaign, anyway)...I mean...that's like leaving the spit out of the Battle of Britain!!


There was a big Stooshy between Oleg Maddox and Grumman (i think it was) there Legal team wanted Oleg to pay for using the Grumman name in the fighter descriptions, there was a big debate about it on the Sturmovik forums.

Oleg basicaly told em to go.... erm.... torpedo themselves and thats why none of their air craft are in the game.

Sad really

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 3:09:24 AM   
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You have to assign for deploy and retract then tap the key assigned repeatedly till locked, this is to accurately represent the F-4 only having a crank instead hydraulics.

A good tip is to look down to the left in cockpit view while tapping the key and see if the crank is moving

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 8:41:56 AM   
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Also, one of the BIGGEST turn offs for me, with Pacific Fighters, was the lack of any torpedo bombers on release. Even now, there are no US ones (not for the campaign, anyway)...I mean...that's like leaving the spit out of the Battle of Britain!!


There was a big Stooshy between Oleg Maddox and Grumman (i think it was) there Legal team wanted Oleg to pay for using the Grumman name in the fighter descriptions, there was a big debate about it on the Sturmovik forums.

Oleg basicaly told em to go.... erm.... torpedo themselves and thats why none of their air craft are in the game.

Sad really

Cheers

Jev


I remember that flap, but over all got to say it is a "story" he likes to use, since he did have the Wildcat and Hellcat in the game

but over all, I think it is a pretty game and very enjoyable, but I still wish they would make a good flight model, and drop the Bias

he likes to scream how he has his own data, and his planes are perfect, but then makes major changes to the FM each time he releases a patch, the AI does not cheat, and then patch the cheats the AI uses

(which so saying, I got IL-2 FB, and about 8 added ons :)



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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 2:37:39 PM   
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(which so saying, I got IL-2 FB, and about 8 added ons :)


heheh aye me too and ordered the Il-2 1946 just have them all on one DvD I am a sad git

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 7:41:42 PM   
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(which so saying, I got IL-2 FB, and about 8 added ons :)


heheh aye me too and ordered the Il-2 1946 just have them all on one DvD I am a sad git

Cheers

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Speaking of which, does anyone know for certain if IL-2 (1946) has StarForce protection? I can't seem to find a straightforward response from UbiSoft on the issue.

I'd like to get it as there are so many huge patches to the IL-2 line that it's a real pain for update and getting everything on one DVD would be fantastic. The promo movies for IL-2 1946 look great.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/9/2006 10:25:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ubisoft stated publicly that they were dropping Starforce and I have pre-ordered IL2- Sturmovik 1946 on the strength of that.

I do not know for certain though, but it would be a bit daft if they did use it.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/10/2006 1:21:09 AM   
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(which so saying, I got IL-2 FB, and about 8 added ons :)


heheh aye me too and ordered the Il-2 1946 just have them all on one DvD I am a sad git

Cheers

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Speaking of which, does anyone know for certain if IL-2 (1946) has StarForce protection? I can't seem to find a straightforward response from UbiSoft on the issue.

I'd like to get it as there are so many huge patches to the IL-2 line that it's a real pain for update and getting everything on one DVD would be fantastic. The promo movies for IL-2 1946 look great.


Rhonda, from what I've gathered, Ubisoft have dropped Starforce like a hot stone. I don't know for certain, but I'm 99.9% sure it won't be starforced.

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/10/2006 1:25:21 AM   
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Ubisoft stated publicly that they were dropping Starforce and I have pre-ordered IL2- Sturmovik 1946 on the strength of that.

I do not know for certain though, but it would be a bit daft if they did use it.

Cheers

Jev

I know that Jev...read all about it and wasn't really blaming Oleg...but releasing a "pacific" air war game, without key aircraft was a big "drop the ball" situation for me. 'Course, they still go t my money, 'cos I didn't know at the time...but like I said, it's a bit like leaving the Spitfire out of his next game Storm of War...which I will buy, by the way...unless there really aren't any Spits in it!

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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/10/2006 4:11:35 PM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/12/2006 7:14:14 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/16/2006 5:01:23 AM   
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Ubisoft stated publicly that they were dropping Starforce and I have pre-ordered IL2- Sturmovik 1946 on the strength of that.

I do not know for certain though, but it would be a bit daft if they did use it.

Cheers

Jev

I know that Jev...read all about it and wasn't really blaming Oleg...but releasing a "pacific" air war game, without key aircraft was a big "drop the ball" situation for me. 'Course, they still go t my money, 'cos I didn't know at the time...but like I said, it's a bit like leaving the Spitfire out of his next game Storm of War...which I will buy, by the way...unless there really aren't any Spits in it!


I am not sure if I am follow the story here correctly or not

but I find it odd that people even come close to believeing the story as it comes out from Oleg, Grummon wants money for the rights to there plane names, so Oleg is not able to put the TB into the game, but the Wildcat and Hellcat are in the game, and he didn't have to pay for the rights to those

I think they had trouble with the AI being able to fly the flight model they had set up for the planes (which a few other planes they added had the same trouble), so dropped the plane, then when questions were asked about why it was not in the game, it was stated it was going to be a add on, and then they say, Grummon won't let them use it



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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/31/2006 6:06:36 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 12/31/2006 6:37:35 AM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 1/3/2007 8:31:13 PM   
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RE: Suggestions for a good fighter plane game? - 1/3/2007 9:58:55 PM   
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Head over to SimHQ www.simhq.com, seems that this might be a good starting point to get in touch with the community.

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