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Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/14/2006 12:48:17 AM

jsaurman

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Is there any advantage to having multiple generals attached to a unit?
If you have two or more generals with special abilities attached to a unit, will they both teach those abilities, or will only a single general teach? If only one will teach, which one will it be?

Thanks in advance,
JIM

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/14/2006 4:44:53 PM

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The primary advantage to attaching multiple generals is that in detailed battle there will be more generals available directly to lead the brigades in that unit.

As far as teaching goes, however, only the highest ranking general in a military group will teach the units in that group -- for ties among generals of equal rank, I believe that it goes by alphabetical order ... so Abercrombie beats Zook.

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/14/2006 5:12:18 PM

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So multiple generals don't really do anything for pbem games?

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/15/2006 7:52:50 AM

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I'm still confused.
In the real Union army, there were three star, two star and one star generals. There was no such thing as four or five star.   That being said...

Does rank do anything?   If I have a "great" one star general in charge of an army, is it better if I promote him to five stars? Does that change anything?

Second, does it matter if you have a general of higher rank in the org chart below him? Or is it better to arrange generals the way they historically would have been organized, 3 star= army, 2 star = corps, 1 star=division?

Third, is how does training of special abilities enter into it?
I'm trying to figure out, if I have an army, that is filled with two corps, then each corps has three divisions... can I put a one star general in the army, above the corps, and put the five star general in charge of a division, and the one who is higher up in the org chart is the one who teaches? Does a general with special abilities teach everyone "downstream" of him or is it just those who he is specifically attached to?   Can he teach upstream?

I'm just totally confused.   Am I just better off taking all the generals, and lumping them in with my giant Army of the Potomac and hoping for the best?   25 generals commanding 6 divisions... yeah, thats the ticket!

JIM

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/15/2006 10:21:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: jsaurman

I'm still confused.
In the real Union army, there were three star, two star and one star generals. There was no such thing as four or five star. That being said...

Does rank do anything? If I have a "great" one star general in charge of an army, is it better if I promote him to five stars? Does that change anything?

Second, does it matter if you have a general of higher rank in the org chart below him? Or is it better to arrange generals the way they historically would have been organized, 3 star= army, 2 star = corps, 1 star=division?

Third, is how does training of special abilities enter into it?
I'm trying to figure out, if I have an army, that is filled with two corps, then each corps has three divisions... can I put a one star general in the army, above the corps, and put the five star general in charge of a division, and the one who is higher up in the org chart is the one who teaches? Does a general with special abilities teach everyone "downstream" of him or is it just those who he is specifically attached to? Can he teach upstream?

I'm just totally confused. Am I just better off taking all the generals, and lumping them in with my giant Army of the Potomac and hoping for the best? 25 generals commanding 6 divisions... yeah, thats the ticket!

JIM

This is all explained in the manual, so I'll just state that an army can only be led by a 4-star or 5-star, a corps by a 3-star, and a division by a 2-star, while 1-stars only do something if put inside a container with brigades they can command in combat. If you have an excellent 1-star general and, say, a 3-star general who's not as good that's why we have the system of demotions/promotions. And as for teaching special abilities, only generals whose ranks permit them to command a container unit will teach them to brigades under their command.

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/15/2006 4:20:12 PM

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I'm still confused.
In the real Union army, there were three star, two star and one star generals. There was no such thing as four or five star. That being said...

As we mention in the manual, the star system we use isn't intended to correspond directly to historical ranks simply because the historical system was too ambiguous to be used as a system within the game. The historical CSA, for instance, had four ranks of general in 1862 (brigadier, major, lieutenant, and full) but in 1861 only had three ranks. In the USA, Winfied Scott became a brevet lieutenant general in 1855 (if I recall correctly), but there were really only two ranks used until 1866, and Grant didn't become lieutenant general until 1864. Command with the historical system was too fluid to be used as a game system.

In FOF, the number of stars a general needs to command a military group corresponds to the number of "X"'s on the standard symbol for the military group. What we've done is to combine orders ("army commander"/"corps commander") and rank (bde. general, etc.) into one system.

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Does rank do anything? If I have a "great" one star general in charge of an army, is it better if I promote him to five stars? Does that change anything?

Yes. There are many effects of rank...

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Second, does it matter if you have a general of higher rank in the org chart below him? Or is it better to arrange generals the way they historically would have been organized, 3 star= army, 2 star = corps, 1 star=division?

Looking at the "Official Military Atlas of the Civil War" (1891), the illustration for the shoulder badge of "brigadier general" shows one star on it, so I believe that brigadier generals are the historical "one star" generals (and this corresponds to the one-star rank within FOF).

Major generals (historical "two stars") commanded corps in the US, but in the CS lieutenant generals ("three stars") were corps commanders. In the US, major generals could also be army commanders, and were also divisional commanders.

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Third, is how does training of special abilities enter into it?
I'm trying to figure out, if I have an army, that is filled with two corps, then each corps has three divisions... can I put a one star general in the army, above the corps, and put the five star general in charge of a division, and the one who is higher up in the org chart is the one who teaches? Does a general with special abilities teach everyone "downstream" of him or is it just those who he is specifically attached to? Can he teach upstream?

The game looks at each military group you have, then it looks at each general directly attached to that military group. The highest ranking general who is capable of leading the military group (i.e. has at least the minimum required number of stars) then has a chance to teach any member of that military group (not necessarily a member that is directly attached.)

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/15/2006 5:13:29 PM

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The game looks at each military group you have, then it looks at each general directly attached to that military group. The highest ranking general who is capable of leading the military group (i.e. has at least the minimum required number of stars) then has a chance to teach any member of that military group (not necessarily a member that is directly attached.)

Just to be clear, you couldn't stick a three star general in a division container and expect him to train a member of another division even if they are attached to the same corps. The three-star would have to be attached directly to the corps for his effects to be felt by any member of that corps. Correct?

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RE: Multiple Generals Attached To One Unit? - 12/15/2006 10:09:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Joram

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The game looks at each military group you have, then it looks at each general directly attached to that military group. The highest ranking general who is capable of leading the military group (i.e. has at least the minimum required number of stars) then has a chance to teach any member of that military group (not necessarily a member that is directly attached.)

Just to be clear, you couldn't stick a three star general in a division container and expect him to train a member of another division even if they are attached to the same corps. The three-star would have to be attached directly to the corps for his effects to be felt by any member of that corps. Correct?

Correct, the highest ranking officer in a container, is the commander, and he is the one that is used for training units in that container

so, say, Lee is the Army Commander, he can train any unit in the Army, Hood is the 1st Corps Commander, he can train any unit in his Corps, Heth, von Dorn and Bragg are the 3 Div Commanders in that Corps, each can only train units with in there Div

and so on

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