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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:01:55 PM

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Hey, Solli - you're in logistics, right?

Is there any way to locate lists of port capacities (in tonnage of cargo per day/week/month), esp. for WW2 period? Not having much luck on Google and other search engines so far...

Sorry this took so long. I spent the week in Little Rock. Interesting seminar but the flights absolutely sucked!

Sorry, but I haven't found anything like that. I've looked too. I've looked for 2 separate things. One was what you mentioned and the other was the number and size of the slips in Japanese ports (mainly for ship production). I did this years ago, but haven't looked recently.

Is there any kind of list for CURRENT port capacity (i.e. - how much cargo can be moved in a port today? One would think this would be common knowledge for large shippers...)

If we knew that, we could get an idea of the relative capacities of ports, and then knowing what the capacity of some of the ports during WW2 (which i've seen) then we could make a better guesstimate of capacities then.

i am looking for amount of cargo that port could load or unload... this doesn't necessarily correspond to the amount of cargo that could be handled (i.e. - the US Army unloaded scads of supplies in Great Britain in 1942-1943... and couldn't handle it because they didn't have enough logistics troops. They spent about a year desperately trying to sort out almost 300,000 tons of stuff they just stuffed unlabelled into supply dumps...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:04:20 PM

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Nice to see you around again Mike.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:04:35 PM

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Great... now Solli's training chipmunk ninjas...

http://www.funlol.com/funpages/ninja-chipmunk.html

Geez, so much for security.....

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:05:38 PM

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Uh-Oh! (An allied fan boy point of view)

Of course, there is no other.

Pfffftttt.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:07:43 PM

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Well apparently I am as good at losing battleships as RRoberson is at losing carriers. I'll have to do an official count now but I think, with the loss of Warspite last night, the total lost is 8

, not a one of those was a direct result of the PH attack.

I seem to be particularly good at losing RN battleships. So far I have lost POW, Repulse, Warspite and one other I can't seem to recall.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:08:27 PM

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19,768,320....minutes...or 39 years

Just a young punk. Just out of diapers.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:08:32 PM

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Uh-Oh! (An allied fan boy point of view)

Of course, there is no other.

Pfffftttt.

Ah, the JFB flexes his muscles...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:10:37 PM

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Guess who's older than niceguy......

Apparently you are Mynok. I sure am and I have a feeling a certain person (who owns the Money Pit) is too....

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:13:05 PM

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So Dixie, are we going to admit your offensive ineptitude?

Yes, yes we are . Let that be a lesson to everyone, never play as Japan when you have no real idea how to plan a cohesive offensive

Yeah, but that's part of the fun.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:15:19 PM

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Pretty funny. Reminds me of my Dad's 65th birthday (sadly, his last) where we put 65 candles on his cake. Resembled a bonfire.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:15:27 PM

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Guess who's older than niceguy......

Apparently you are Mynok. I sure am and I have a feeling a certain person (who owns the Money Pit) is too....

Oh yeah... just call me Grandpa...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:29:07 PM

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Tithe.�� At work and bored.

Uh-oh...this can't come to much good.

I know not who this Niceguy20 fellow is...a cheap chinese knockoff no doubt.

Earlier model, no doubt.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:32:18 PM

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If I had a nickel for everytime I have heard someone call someone else an idiot I would be an extremely rich man.

You'd be rich if you were in my car much. My comments to stupid drivers starts with jerk, then idiot, then moron. That's pretty much how I vent.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:34:18 PM

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@ niceguy.............try as I might but I just can't seem to get the link working for your map to the hidden base.� Mind posting it in the open forum?

I could but then I would have to kill everybody and that just sounds like too much work.

I think you're slacking in your old age.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:35:37 PM

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@ niceguy.............try as I might but I just can't seem to get the link working for your map to the hidden base.� Mind posting it in the open forum?

I could but then I would have to kill everybody and that just sounds like too much work.

I think you're slacking in your old age.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:45:34 PM

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@ niceguy.............try as I might but I just can't seem to get the link working for your map to the hidden base.� Mind posting it in the open forum?

I could but then I would have to kill everybody and that just sounds like too much work.

I think you're slacking in your old age.

Yeah, all that rebellious teen angst energy dissappeared a few years ago, hence the Niceguy nickname. Doesn't mean I'm still not plotting to rule the world though.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:47:18 PM

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Hey, Solli - you're in logistics, right?

Is there any way to locate lists of port capacities (in tonnage of cargo per day/week/month), esp. for WW2 period? Not having much luck on Google and other search engines so far...

Sorry this took so long. I spent the week in Little Rock. Interesting seminar but the flights absolutely sucked!

Sorry, but I haven't found anything like that. I've looked too. I've looked for 2 separate things. One was what you mentioned and the other was the number and size of the slips in Japanese ports (mainly for ship production). I did this years ago, but haven't looked recently.

Is there any kind of list for CURRENT port capacity (i.e. - how much cargo can be moved in a port today? One would think this would be common knowledge for large shippers...)

If we knew that, we could get an idea of the relative capacities of ports, and then knowing what the capacity of some of the ports during WW2 (which i've seen) then we could make a better guesstimate of capacities then.

i am looking for amount of cargo that port could load or unload... this doesn't necessarily correspond to the amount of cargo that could be handled (i.e. - the US Army unloaded scads of supplies in Great Britain in 1942-1943... and couldn't handle it because they didn't have enough logistics troops. They spent about a year desperately trying to sort out almost 300,000 tons of stuff they just stuffed unlabelled into supply dumps...

Ah, I see. Nope, that's not something I ever had to worry about. I'll do some checking though.

Your last comment isn't anything new. When I was in Kosovo (2004-5) there were loads of CONEX containers that were unlabelled. We went around cutting off the locks to turn in whatever was inside. Some of the containers had been there since 1999. We turned in millions in equipment. Mother Army apparently forgot it had sent the stuff there.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:47:49 PM

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Pretty funny. Reminds me of my Dad's 65th birthday (sadly, his last) where we put 65 candles on his cake. Resembled a bonfire.

Yep. Girlfriend unit put 20 of those gag candles that relight themselves on my cake. That's just not fair.

I darned near passed out blowing them all out.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:50:35 PM

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Nice to see you around again Mike.

Thanks. Before I was in Little Rock (now that's a hoppin' place), I had some short suspenses and lots of work to do the get them done. Things have settled down since then.

Four days of work next week and then I'm off for 10 days.

My pre-New Year's resolution is to check in here daily while I'm off, and then make it a habit.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:52:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

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Uh-Oh! (An allied fan boy point of view)

Of course, there is no other.

Pfffftttt.

Ah, the JFB flexes his muscles...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:54:36 PM

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Guess who's older than niceguy......

Apparently you are Mynok. I sure am and I have a feeling a certain person (who owns the Money Pit) is too....

Oh yeah... just call me Grandpa...

Yup, Gramps. I'm pretty sure you got me beat, but I'm not certain. I do remember a reference or two to retirement being closer than my time frame.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 6:59:25 PM

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Guess who's older than niceguy......

Apparently you are Mynok. I sure am and I have a feeling a certain person (who owns the Money Pit) is too....

Oh yeah... just call me Grandpa...

Yup, Gramps. I'm pretty sure you got me beat, but I'm not certain. I do remember a reference or two to retirement being closer than my time frame.

A while back, we compared ages of Threadians... i was the oldest regular Threadian... only other person i've personally corresponded with on the forum that is older is Pompack. There is somebody in his 70s, iirc, but i don't recall whom.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 7:43:05 PM

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OK - here's an idea:

there are listings for current listings of how much tonnage ports handle in a year :

http://www.aapa-ports.org/files/Statistics/WORLD%5FPORT%5FRANKINGS%5F2004.xls

These can be broken down by country for relative ranking in the country of the ports, and calculate the percentage of cargo the port handles for the country in question.

Then, we can compare total exports and imports of a country in say 1936 (prior to war between Japan and China) - multiply this times the percentage of cargo, and get the amount of cargo the port handled before the war. THis would give an *idea* of the normal port capacity.

Of course, if we can find a list of cargo tonnages handled for the year in question, we could get a better idea.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 7:50:22 PM

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That's pretty interesting, Robert. I deal with only a handful of ports, and they're all on either the West coast or Texas. The couple that show up on the list are pretty far down too. I did notice that some are regions, such as NY/NJ.

Edit: Uh, that's East coast, not west.....

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 7:56:56 PM

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What are you looking for Robert? Simply shipping capacity?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 7:59:33 PM

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i've found some obscure books on DEI port statistics up to 1940... dunno if i want to shell out around $30 to see if they have any interesting info, though.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 8:00:34 PM

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What are you looking for Robert?� Simply shipping capacity?

Right - i was hoping to develop better ideas as to what ports could actually handle during WW2.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 8:05:16 PM

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200 tons per port level per ship per day. Do you really think Gary just made up an arbitrary number?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 8:07:23 PM

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200 tons per port level per ship per day. Do you really think Gary just made up an arbitrary number?

What ever gave you that idea?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 12/14/2006 8:08:55 PM

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Don't forget that an unlimited number of ships could unload 200 tons per port level per day.....

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