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Several Questions - 12/15/2006 11:03:48 AM   
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I have not tried the demo yet but I want to ask a couple questions...

1.) Can I play from the start of the war of 1939 as, say, Germany, until whenever?

2.) Is the scope of the game the ENTIRE world or only sections? aka Hearts of Iron II

3.) Can I choose what to produce? For example, if I wanted more Tiger I's I could tell my industry to produce them?

Thanks.

PS: I am going to go try the demo from my previous thread, but I don't think it has the scale so it doesn't answer my questions.
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RE: Several Questions - 12/15/2006 12:00:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		1. Yes. Or from 1914 as the Germans. Or from 1870 as the Germans or.... The possibilities are virtually limitless
2. Only sections. One or two "whole world" scenarios are out there, but the game isn't designed for this. The scaling etc. isn't right. However one can fit the whole of Europe and North Africa on the map without too much trouble.
3. Not usually, but some strategic scenarios offer options to allow this sort of thing.

To be honest if you're looking for a strategic game, this isn't what TOAW is really aimed at, although some designers have made a good crack at it. Where the game really shines is at operational level.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/15/2006 12:03:49 PM   
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Hi,

I have not tried the demo yet but I want to ask a couple questions...

1.) Can I play from the start of the war of 1939 as, say, Germany, until whenever?

2.) Is the scope of the game the ENTIRE world or only sections? aka Hearts of Iron II

3.) Can I choose what to produce? For example, if I wanted more Tiger I's I could tell my industry to produce them?

Thanks.

PS: I am going to go try the demo from my previous thread, but I don't think it has the scale so it doesn't answer my questions.


Hi, again me. For your questions:

1.)Yes and No - this leads directly to question 2
2.)The scope of the game is what you call sections and others call scenarios. A scenario can deal with a single battle (i.e. Overlord, Bulge, Barbarossa, and smaller ones) up to the entire theatre (Europe WW2 or WW1 i.e.). It all depends on the scenario. There are scenarios dealing with the entire WW2 in Europe as well as the entire WW1. Also the game engine and the scenario editor allows various scales for maps/units. Toaw is not limited to WW2, with the equipment database one can design and recreate battles from the 19th century to the beginning of the 21st century.
3.)Again, yes and no. Principally the amount of equipment replacement your units receive every turn depends on the scenario and can't be altered during the game by the player, except the scenario designer allows this with the use of so called "theatre options". Certainly in more 'strategical' scenarios the loss of certain industrial regions can lead to a lowering of replacements, supply etc.

Have you looked at this: http://www.matrixgames.com/games/story.asp?gid=317 ?

EDIT: I knew it, Ben is always around..and has beaten me. Next time ..

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RE: Several Questions - 12/15/2006 10:58:21 PM   
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This is my final initial question (I hope haha): how many hours would I be able to get out of this game for $40? It seems that it is a huge amount after browsing the forums.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/15/2006 11:18:43 PM   
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In TOAW you get good AI, A zillion scenarios. I only played 5 or 6 and it consumes all the computer time my wife allows me The best part is the MP. People are really nice here and its easy to find a person to play against. All in all its a buy, if you like slowpaced wargames, with lots and lots of heartbreaking descision.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/15/2006 11:38:14 PM   
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Thank you for your replies.

This is my final initial question (I hope haha): how many hours would I be able to get out of this game for $40? It seems that it is a huge amount after browsing the forums.


This is, of course, a question that depends on several factors; not least of which is how much you end up liking the game.
Assuming, then, that you really do enjoy the game there are, literally, hundreds of hours of fun ahead of you. There are 100+ entertaining scenarios out there, with more being produced all the time. The game covers the entire 20th century with the ability to cover the later half of the 19th and even a few years into the future. The AI is a challenging beast in TOAW III and will certainly give you a run for your money (probably stomp you a few times, as well) when you are new to the game. PBEM takes the entire experience to the next level, though; with this not only can you play hundreds of different scenarios, but each one can play out differently each time, with each new opponent.

You could, quite literally, never get bored of this game.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/16/2006 12:28:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dayrinni

Thank you for your replies.

This is my final initial question (I hope haha): how many hours would I be able to get out of this game for $40? It seems that it is a huge amount after browsing the forums.



Yep!!

I'm playing a game of "Fire in hte East" PBEM - were up to T26, each turn takes me a couple of hours (1-2 times a week), plus I've played games of WW2, many, many WW1 games until I could figure out how to win them , Korea, next I'm looking at the Balkan wars games.

The system is excellent in it's ideal scale trange, and not too bad a bit outside that (eg the strategic level games of WW1 & WW2).

I'd say a couple of hundred hours so far, and there's a couple of hundred turns left in FitE, as 2+ hours each.....:)

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RE: Several Questions - 12/16/2006 7:14:58 AM   
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You could, quite literally, never get bored of this game.


I've been at this almost full-time for about three years now. Have about 2 PBEM games going ( I say about cause I haven't heard from one opponent in about 5 weeks ) and it's still a challenge and entertaining.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/16/2006 1:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dayrinni,
If I may add a thought or two; This game is not a grand-scale rts game ala, HoI, but rather an operational,hex,wargame. I owned TOAW CoW many years ago, and for various reasons, left it behind long ago. When Matrix announced that they were re-doing and re-issueing TOAW, I had mixed feelings, but decided, what the hell. I must say, I agree wholeheartedly, you could never get bored of this game. The AI is indeed much better then I remember it (though the scenarios that would appear to appeal to you are not designed for solo play) and though I have never been a big fan of pbem, this game has changed my opinion of that. If you are sitting on the fence, and have enjoyed and were interested in the Korean War demo that you tried, I suggest picking it up. I did just the same before finally caving in. Scenarios such as The Great War (WW1), FiTE (the entire Eastern Front) and War In the West and Europe Aflame (both WW2) are among the best games I have played, period. TOAW is a classic for a reason, and this edition is, along with War In the Pacific, simply the best money I have spent on a computer game ever. Hope this was of some help to you and good luck.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/16/2006 3:58:34 PM   
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[Assuming, then, that you really do enjoy the game there are, literally, hundreds of hours of fun ahead of you.


Only hundreds?

Lessee. In an average week I probably spend 2-4 hours in the game (used to be a lot more before I got a job). That's already a couple of hundred in the year. But TOAW's scope and flexibility aren't likely to be outdone in another game for the foreseeable future, and you're likely to be playing this for some years to come. I've no doubt that I've spent thousands of hours on the game. Though I only got paid for about thirty of them....

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RE: Several Questions - 12/16/2006 6:07:37 PM   
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[Assuming, then, that you really do enjoy the game there are, literally, hundreds of hours of fun ahead of you.


Only hundreds?

Lessee. In an average week I probably spend 2-4 hours in the game (used to be a lot more before I got a job). That's already a couple of hundred in the year. But TOAW's scope and flexibility aren't likely to be outdone in another game for the foreseeable future, and you're likely to be playing this for some years to come. I've no doubt that I've spent thousands of hours on the game. Though I only got paid for about thirty of them....


Ben's got a point. Make it thousands. :)

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 4:59:49 AM   
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I have played the demo a bit and it is very interesting. I like how detailed everything seems to be. It is a very complex game and I love complex things. I played Panzer General I and II as a kid and loved those. Too bad that series seems to have faded out.

Does the game come with the Europe threater of operations for WW2 as Germany or do I have to find a custom one?

Also, I cannot seem to find the game in any store. So I have to download it - how large is it? I am purchasing a new box soon so I need to acquire the program again and I am wondering how Matrix handles their digital downloads.

Thanks.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 10:54:32 AM   
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. . . I played Panzer General I and II as a kid and loved those. Too bad that series seems to have faded o


GPz I is live and well at "JP's Panzer". The good people there have made Pz into a game that can be enjoyed by many people.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 2:40:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The game has several scenarios that cover different aspects of Germany's rampage through Europe. Europe Aflame, is probably the biggest and the best for an entire European scope. War in the West, covers Germany's invasion of Poland and then the entire scope of operations in Western Europe and North Africa. Fire In the East and DNO cover the entire scope of operations in the East and are literally huge in regards to the number of units and possibilities. There are also several "beer and pretzels" scenarios that can be found over at the Rugged Defense site. I am sure there are more, but, these are my personel favorites. Again, I hope this was of some help to you.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 2:42:00 PM   
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Does the game come with the Europe threater of operations for WW2 as Germany or do I have to find a custom one?


The game comes with many, many scenarios- and there are many, many more out there. Probably the most popular is Europe Aflame. This does come with the game, but that version is apparently bugged, so you'll have to download the most recent one from the internet. This scenario covers the whole war in Europe and can be played as Axis or Allies. N.B. you will not find a scenario of this size which will play against the PO as it cannot deal with strategic problems.

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Also, I cannot seem to find the game in any store. So I have to download it - how large is it? I am purchasing a new box soon so I need to acquire the program again and I am wondering how Matrix handles their digital downloads.


I don't think this is a problem. But you can order it by mail if you prefer, giving you a CD to work with. The file size is around 500 MB if I recall correctly.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 7:02:37 PM   
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Also, I cannot seem to find the game in any store. So I have to download it - how large is it? I am purchasing a new box soon so I need to acquire the program again and I am wondering how Matrix handles their digital downloads.

Thanks.



You can also burn the setup.exe and the patches on a CD Rom. It's just around 230 MB and 17 MB for the latest patch.

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I don't think this is a problem. But you can order it by mail if you prefer, giving you a CD to work with. The file size is around 500 MB if I recall correctly


It's ~500 MBs when it is installed. The setup.exe is just around 230 MBs.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 11:05:22 PM   
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The game comes with many, many scenarios- and there are many, many more out there. Probably the most popular is Europe Aflame.N.B. you will not find a scenario of this size which will play against the PO as it cannot deal with strategic problems.


Europe Alfame can only be played with Human players and not computers? I think PO = player opponent.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/17/2006 11:26:10 PM   
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Europe Alfame can only be played with Human players and not computers? I think PO = player opponent.


Programmed Opponent.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/18/2006 10:28:16 AM   
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RE: Several Questions - 12/18/2006 11:13:51 AM   
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Can you recommend some European scenarios that can be played with a PO then?


There are plenty of smaller campaigns- but scenarios covering the whole real war won't work with the PO because the situation is too complicated for it.

There is one that immediately springs to mind for the whole European continent- Silvanski's reworking of my own Alternate Second World War scenario. I don't know if you're interested in alternate history, though.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/19/2006 1:20:13 AM   
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RE: Several Questions - 12/19/2006 2:35:35 PM   
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If you like large scenarios I think it would be fecitious for these same people who will tell me that TOAW is not intended to handle large scenarios


I didn't say anything about large scenarios. I said strategic scenarios. The PO can't handle complex strategic situations, production management- which the original poster specifically mentioned- is very difficult to do with the event engine as it stands, and a great many of the game variables (recon, shock, strategic transport and above all supply) are global variables and so unsuited to a strategic game.

Of course some designers have made sterling efforts in this direction- but this isn't where TOAW shines. TOAW basically deals with a strategic simulation as a giant operational problem.

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RE: Several Questions - 12/22/2006 3:12:07 AM   
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RE: Several Questions - 12/22/2006 5:40:17 AM   
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RE: Several Questions - 12/22/2006 10:42:43 AM   
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And that's an opinion, personally, I feel the division scale is the best.


you may be right
anyway, army- and corps- scale does not seem the best scale for TOAW

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RE: Several Questions - 12/22/2006 11:20:54 AM   
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And that's an opinion, personally, I feel the division scale is the best.


you may be right
anyway, army- and corps- scale does not seem the best scale for TOAW


Division scale is okay, but i am more a fan of regimental and battalion scale.

With the new "Max Rounds Per Battle" feature the company scale has become more interesitng, too. Anyone who has played a scenario at the company level will know what i mean - due to the low amount of equipment and the companies' limitations to only a few, sometimes only one (armour) weapon system one has to be very carefully in what to attack with which unit in regard to round burning battles. In Erik Nygaard's "A bridge too far 44" (yet only for COW) this has brought me to a style where i plan for two rounds only and regard a third one (rarely occures) as a big luck. It's more fun that way - i need not to worry about the engine.

My 0.02 €

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RE: Several Questions - 12/23/2006 1:10:45 AM   
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And that's an opinion, personally, I feel the division scale is the best.


you may be right
anyway, army- and corps- scale does not seem the best scale for TOAW

I'm sure I'm not right, but I'm not trying to be. My point is that, though not designed for it, TOAW does pretty well with Division/Corps sizes. Sure a hell of a lot better than, say, the Civization Series. EA is Corps scale and a damn fine game. :)

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RE: Several Questions - 1/12/2007 6:21:44 PM   
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Hi,

I have not tried the demo yet but I want to ask a couple questions...

1.) Can I play from the start of the war of 1939 as, say, Germany, until whenever?

2.) Is the scope of the game the ENTIRE world or only sections? aka Hearts of Iron II

3.) Can I choose what to produce? For example, if I wanted more Tiger I's I could tell my industry to produce them?

Thanks.

PS: I am going to go try the demo from my previous thread, but I don't think it has the scale so it doesn't answer my questions.


..1/ yes, depends on the scen

..2/nope, but i really will get on with that world map viewed from the north pole

..3/ scenario dependant, take it up with the scen-designer


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RE: Several Questions - 1/13/2007 3:48:51 AM   
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be advised that although you can play many interesting corps- or army- scale scenarios (e.g. Europe Aflame), IMHO, the game is best to play at regimental and batallion level



I'll second that. Though division-level also works reasonably well at appropriate time/map scales.

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