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ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 6:41:45 PM

alanschu

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Hello,

I'm curious if there are any tricks to ASW patrols by the air. I rarely seem to get any attacks as the Allies, though the Japanese seem to be getting more. Maybe it's just because I have more subs in operation, but there's a couple off the cost of Brisbane that are being annoying, and I have a host of bombers flying ASW and they can't even seem to spot him. But if I send out an AK, he is just off the coast.

I set the altitude to around 3000 feet and go ASW 100%. Just bad luck and perhaps bad crew experience?

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 6:44:58 PM

Sardaukar

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Naval Search 100% 2000ft does the trick for me. ASW only with units that have exp over 70, same altitude.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 6:51:17 PM

alanschu

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Well, I'm hoping to try to drop some bombs on the guys, so would ASW patrols be more effective at actually dropping them rather than just detecting?

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 6:58:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: alanschu

Well, I'm hoping to try to drop some bombs on the guys, so would ASW patrols be more effective at actually dropping them rather than just detecting?

Well, I think ASW mission attacks bit more often...but then range is halved..so it kinda cancels each other out... Someone said that ASW mission is better for preventing subs to make attacks, too.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 7:03:32 PM

alanschu

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Okay. I'll go with some mixing and matching. Unfortunately the best ASW ships I have in the area are minesweepers. It's still April '42, but I can't wait for the DEs and SCs. :)

Thanks again for your time.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/28/2006 7:05:45 PM

Sardaukar

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Check this too:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1335009

Sgt Swanson said in it that he had good success with ASW at 1000ft and Naval Search at 2000 ft.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/29/2006 8:26:11 PM

RUPD3658

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As Japan I have been getting killed by Allied 4E bombers at 10,000 ft on Nav search. I can't get a barge or sub within range without it getting killed within 2-3 days. My opponant tells me they are high exp units.

My ASW has not been as effective although I spot and attack subs every turn. I have only sunk 2 with AC and we are in July 43. I have lost about 12-15 to Allied AC.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/29/2006 9:27:01 PM

Florian Geyer

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If you use your planes right,you had a lot of success.I am in 10/43 and had sunk 66 US subs by plane,but only 8 by DD or PC and 7 are scuttled.
On every base around Formosa I had a team of 1xKi-46 Dinah(RC)unit and 1xKi-21 Sally unit.
The Dinah runs on 100% Naval Search,the Ki-21 Sally on 100% ASW.In my
opinion the altitude isn't very important.More important are Exp. and the number of planes in a unit.
As Japan your supply lines are vital,so do everything to keep them alive.

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RE: ASW Air Patrols - 12/29/2006 11:08:26 PM

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Hmm, I'd add one wrinkle to that strategy... Instead of just running a lot of flights from a lot of different bases run very few from most bases and then concentrate your forces around one large base the enemy is blockading closely. I have done this with forces of up to 200 bombers at a time and manage to sink 2 to 3 subs over the course of 2 to 3 days each time I do this.

Why is this superior? Well, once a sub is hit it is pretty much guaranteed to be killed over the next couple of days. By standing down at the end of the 2 or 3 days your opponent can never know where the " ASW Death Star" will show up and will be forced to keep his subs well away from any of your sizable ports/airbases. One other truth is that people always try to push their luck and over time you can continue shifting the ASW Death Star around and count on finding subs creeping in closer and closer again until another massacre results.

With this strategy I wouldn't find any difficulty in killing 3 or more subs per month if they loiter near my bases. If they just try to hang out in the shipping lanes far from any ports their effectiveness is massively reduced and the occasional sweep by CVEs, CVLs and CSs should clean up nicely.

So rather than just catching occasional subs all over the map try to get 3 or 4 subs at a particular base once a fortnight. You get more kills and have more psychological effect on your opponent. YMMV of course.

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