Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Marauders

This is an exception that is in Canadian rules that was worth going over for community members who may be designing plays for the Canadian ruleset.

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By the way, most indoor leagues allow one player in motion at least one yard from the line of scrimmage, and forward motion is allowed. Unlike outdoor rules, this may change a bit from league to league.

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Anyone watching the Vikings vs Packers tonight will note that the Vikings did a two man shift, but they hiked the ball prior to being set for one second.

It negated a twelve yard pass with the penalty.

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If you were watching The Inadianapolis Colts win of The Miami Dolphins, then you saw one of our debates and one of questions to The NFL's rules committee solved; Colts' DT/FB Klecko caught a pass (touchdown) after lining up at FB and he is listed as a DT. Thus, I am going to assume OL can do the same.

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I heard no, referee declare that Colts' DT/FB Klecko was eligible for a pass, probably not necessary for him to declare himslef to the referee or the TV coverage missed it - which highly doubt.

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Canadian Rule Book for Tackle Football
Rule 4 Section 2 Article 2a

“The Player who, at the snap of the ball is occupying a position at the either end of the line of scrimmage may be in motion while within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage but must not be moving towards the opponent’s goal line when the ball is put into play.”

TE could be moving out, SE could be moving in. Both could move at same time.

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“The Player who, at the snap of the ball is occupying a position at the either end of the line of scrimmage may be in motion while within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage but must not be moving towards the opponent’s goal line when the ball is put into play.”

TE could be moving out, SE could be moving in. Both could move at same time.

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ORIGINAL: Marauders

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If you were watching The Inadianapolis Colts win of The Miami Dolphins, then you saw one of our debates and one of questions to The NFL's rules committee solved; Colts' DT/FB Klecko caught a pass (touchdown) after lining up at FB and he is listed as a DT. Thus, I am going to assume OL can do the same.

There is no debate really, and that play is a good example of an NFL lineman being declared eligible, but it isn't a player on the line.  Dan Klecko declared himself to the official to make his number (61) eligible for the play, and set up as a fullback.

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I heard no, referee declare that Colts' DT/FB Klecko was eligible for a pass, probably not necessary for him to declare himslef to the referee or the TV coverage missed it - which highly doubt.

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The TV broadcasts often don't play that. If Klecko caught the ball without a flag being thrown, there is no doubt that he was declared eligible.

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Randall McDaniel (offensive guard for the Minnesota Vikings) and William Perry (Chicago Bear's defensive tackle) often lined up in the fullback position. Other jumbo packages do that as well.

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With all due respect to you, I think you way wrong; I cannot remember a single pass thrown any of there ways.

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Lastly, since I believe the declaration of eligiability did not happen and referees would not make that mistake, that a declaration of eligiability is not necessary, unless he lines-up on The LOS. It makes complete when you examine it. Non-skill players (especially OLman) next 5-other OLmen are hidden; however, non-skill players lined-up in a position eligiable to catch a pass (at any formation) and regularly catches a pass a game is obvious.

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(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable).

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5, 3, 3c has to do with the size and placement of the numerals
7, 2, 3 rules regarding notifying the referee of eligibility if wearing and ineligible number for a position. Any player wearing an eligible number at a pass receiving position (running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers) can play any eligible pass receiving position without reporting to the referee. That is, running backs can line up as wide receivers or tight ends, and players wearing wide receiver and/or tight end numbers can line up in the backfield without having to report to the referee.

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ORIGINAL: Marauders

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With all due respect to you, I think you way wrong; I cannot remember a single pass thrown any of there ways.

William Perry - Chicago Bears

....... Rushing ................... Receiving
Year Att Yds Avg Lg TD .... Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
1985 05 07 1.4 02 02 ...... 01 04 4.0 04t 01


Dan Klecko did this for the Patriots prior to the Colts. The Patriots had thrown TD passes to LB Mike Vrabel and used Dan Klecko at fullback.

Dan Klecko - Indianapolis Colts

...................... Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 NWE 0 00 0.0 00 0 0 0 0
2004 NWE 3 18 6.0 11 0 1 1 1
2006 IND . 1 02 2.0 02 1 1 0 0
Career ..... 4 20 5.0 11 1 2 1 1

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Lastly, since I believe the declaration of eligiability did not happen and referees would not make that mistake, that a declaration of eligiability is not necessary, unless he lines-up on The LOS. It makes complete when you examine it. Non-skill players (especially OLman) next 5-other OLmen are hidden; however, non-skill players lined-up in a position eligiable to catch a pass (at any formation) and regularly catches a pass a game is obvious.

There are two eligibility requirements: the jersey number and the position on the field.

Klecko's number was ineligible, so he was required to report and be declared eligible.

After that, as long as he did not line up on the inside line, he was eligible to catch a pass.


Logic Table

A and B are both necessary conditions.

A=T B=T C=T
A=F B=T C=F
A=T B=F C=F
A=F B=F C=F

A: eligible uniform number
B: eligible position
C: eligible to catch a pass
T: True
F: False


Player Numbers by Position
(NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4)

All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 3, Article 3c (see NOTE 1), and such numerals must be by playing position as follows: quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers, 1-19 (and 10-19 for wide receivers if 80-89 are all otherwise assigned); running backs and defensive backs, 20-49; centers, 50-59 (60-79 if 50-59 unavailable); offensive guards and tackles, 60-79; wide receivers and tight ends, 80-89; defensive lineman, 60-79 (90-99 if 60-79 unavailable); and linebackers 50-59 (90-99 if 50-59 unavailable).

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5, 3, 3c has to do with the size and placement of the numerals
7, 2, 3 rules regarding notifying the referee of eligibility if wearing and ineligible number for a position. Any player wearing an eligible number at a pass receiving position (running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers) can play any eligible pass receiving position without reporting to the referee. That is, running backs can line up as wide receivers or tight ends, and players wearing wide receiver and/or tight end numbers can line up in the backfield without having to report to the referee.

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Cannot find this in http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules

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The NFL rulebook I've picked up in the library and Chapters looks like War & Peace. That Digest, when printed out, looks like a pamphlet.

First, it is called laziness and short-sidedness by the broadcasting companies and The NFL and CFB Div. 1A (, my idea of referees in the broadcasting booths). By the way did you see the bowl game (forget which one) that invited a retired CFB referee into the broadcasting booth?

Lastly, I will have to check-out my local public library. Was it the '2006 version?

firebirds,

As we have discovered that at least some of the rules are based on referees' interpretation (not those outside of The NFL and The NFL trains their referees to make better interpretations), thus, only NFL's referees and NFL's rules committee know for sure. Also, as some of us have discovered, in these MF discussions, not all the rules and there interpretation to all situations are included in NFL digest and CFB Div. 1A online rulebook. Heck, if you watch enough games of CFB Div. 1A and NFL you will find that some situations that come up the CFB Div. 1A Programs and NFL Franchises do not know the rules that apply, let alone the those of the broadcasting companies.