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Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 10:22:04 AM   
Andrew Brown


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I am doing a review of my WitP map, but I am having trouble finding information on the Chinese railway system. I found a map of Manchukuo on Wikipedia that seems to show two types of railway lines - presumably major and minor railways. What I cannot find is a similar map for China, indicating which railway lines in China (in 1941) would be considered "major" and which would be considered "minor". This is for my map, which classifies railway lines as "major" or "minor" according to their ability to carry large volumes of railway traffic.

So, is anyone aware of a map or maps, or other information available online, that provides this information? I do have maps that show the railway lines in China, but not divided into categories as in the linked map of Manchukuo. I would also be interested in any similar information for Japan and India. If anyone does know of any such information it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew
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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 10:44:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe of limited use in this case, but for anyone interested, a nice overview of railway development in China can be found HERE

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 12:23:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

Hi all,

I am doing a review of my WitP map, but I am having trouble finding information on the Chinese railway system. I found a map of Manchukuo on Wikipedia that seems to show two types of railway lines - presumably major and minor railways. What I cannot find is a similar map for China, indicating which railway lines in China (in 1941) would be considered "major" and which would be considered "minor". This is for my map, which classifies railway lines as "major" or "minor" according to their ability to carry large volumes of railway traffic.

So, is anyone aware of a map or maps, or other information available online, that provides this information? I do have maps that show the railway lines in China, but not divided into categories as in the linked map of Manchukuo. I would also be interested in any similar information for Japan and India. If anyone does know of any such information it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew


There were usually single-track and double-track railroads in most countries during the early 20th century. Dual track railroads had about three times the capacity of single-track railroads because they could run trains in both directions on each block. Those probably correspond to your two categories.

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:24:02 PM   
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There were usually single-track and double-track railroads in most countries during the early 20th century. Dual track railroads had about three times the capacity of single-track railroads because they could run trains in both directions on each block. Those probably correspond to your two categories.


I agree. However finding out what is single track and what is double is not easy.

I think the rating of a railway also depends on the gauge, with narrow gauge lines generally not as able to handle as much traffic, though this is not always the case. Japan uses a type of narrow gauge, for example, and I would not class the railway network in Japan as low capacity. At least not the main lines.

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:24:51 PM   
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Maybe of limited use in this case, but for anyone interested, a nice overview of railway development in China can be found HERE


Thanks. That is an interesting article.

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:44:28 PM   
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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:51:00 PM   
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Need me to go to the map library again? Remember the 1945 transportation maps of China....


I can't remember whether they include different classes of railway line or not. I will take a look tonight.

Thanks,
Andrew

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:55:14 PM   
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Need me to go to the map library again? Remember the 1945 transportation maps of China....


I can't remember whether they include different classes of railway line or not. I will take a look tonight.

Thanks,
Andrew



Not only classes but gauge and state of repair...


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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 1:58:01 PM   
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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 4:48:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: herwin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

Hi all,

I am doing a review of my WitP map, but I am having trouble finding information on the Chinese railway system. I found a map of Manchukuo on Wikipedia that seems to show two types of railway lines - presumably major and minor railways. What I cannot find is a similar map for China, indicating which railway lines in China (in 1941) would be considered "major" and which would be considered "minor". This is for my map, which classifies railway lines as "major" or "minor" according to their ability to carry large volumes of railway traffic.

So, is anyone aware of a map or maps, or other information available online, that provides this information? I do have maps that show the railway lines in China, but not divided into categories as in the linked map of Manchukuo. I would also be interested in any similar information for Japan and India. If anyone does know of any such information it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew


There were usually single-track and double-track railroads in most countries during the early 20th century. Dual track railroads had about three times the capacity of single-track railroads because they could run trains in both directions on each block. Those probably correspond to your two categories.



Herwin. This would certainly be a good guess in more industrialized areas of the world..., but I would doubt it is the case in China. The original guess of varying "gauges" is much more probable..., expecially given the large number of different consortiums involved in building the RR's in China.

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RE: Help requested for map review - 1/10/2007 7:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Durango and Rio Grande Western RR was a narrow guage railroad, but I don't think that anyone would call it a low capacity railroad. There are a lot more factors involved, like weight carrying capacity of the railbed itself for one.

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