Froonp
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ORIGINAL: Incy Based on this map, we missed quite a bit of railroad in manchuria too: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Manchukuo.jpg Good map, too bad I do not understand the writings. Helped with this map, and with another one from 1930 that I have, I've modified some railway lines in Manchuria, and moved Mukden 1 hex E to where it was. Here is view of southern Manchuria as of today. quote:
ORIGINAL: Incy I found this excellent wikipedia article on Manchuckuo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo Population of main cities: Yingkow (119,000 or 180,871 in 1940) Mukden (339,000 or 1,135,801 in 1940) Hsinking or Changchung (126,000 or 544,202 in 1940) Harbin (405,000 or 661,948 in 1940) Dairen (400,000 or 555,562 in 1939) Antung (92,000 or 315,242 in 1940) Kirin (119,000 or 173,624 in 1940) Tsitsihar (75,000 in 1940) I've looked at all those cities. Mukden, Changchung (Hsinking), Harbin, Dairen (Port Arthur) are already on the map. Yingkow is situated on the Southern shore of Manchuria, west of the resource. Antung is on the Korean border and on the sea shore too. Only Kirin is situated at a place where it provide some wanted game effect. So I added it, as a try. Tsitsihar could be added, it would provide a wanted game effect (providing supply to Manchurian troops to the north and to the west). I did not place it yet, as its position is already written on the map (the resource west of Harbin). So, Opinions about that ? Do you agree with Kirin addition ? Would you agree with Tsitsihar addition ? quote:
ORIGINAL: Incy On the Manchurian side, I don't know how we missed Qiqihar in the previous discussion. Yes, it will change game balance somewhat, but it was militarily important historically, and was founded in 1691. It probably had the required size you'd expect for a mWif city? (I didn't find any 1940 population numbers, but current population is 900 000. That might not tell the wholde story, nearby Daqing has more than 2 million people today, but was founded as late as 1959). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiqihar I'd also consider one of Yichun/Hegang/Jiamusi/Shuangyashan for inclusion. These are a cluster of 100 000+ cities halfway between Harbin and Kabarovsk. Thay are outside the rail system but would allow some operations by manchurian territorials. Probably way to small for inclusion, but it would be fun with a few more cities in this area. 10-20 hexes between each city just isn't fun, and there ARE people living in this part of the world. As long as no production is added, a few more cities which glorious capture can be written about in Pravda just can't be bad... About thoss cities that you propose to add (Yichun / Hegang / Jiamusi / Shuangyashan) halfway between Harbin and Kabarovsk, I do not find any of them on the Collier 1935 Atlas, nor on the 1930 Manchuria map I have found on the Web. Where would be placed ? Are their population reaching 100k when adding them all ? Where did you found info about them ?
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