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AI cheating - 1/12/2007 10:21:11 PM

URett

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One way to increase the challenge for real player associations could be to allow the AI to take future real life stats into account when evaluating players. Since the game engine produces results that are somewhat similar to real life stats that might really help the AI. Players like Ruth of Williams would be drafted #1 even as 18 year olds and the AI would not trade them unless they would get several HOFers back. This should keep the human owner from assembling all-star teams even without setting up house rules (which I hate, but without them the game is no challenge at all).

I'm not sure how appealing it would be for Shaun to basically let the AI cheat (although it may not be cheating at all, since the human owner has access to this information), but what do the other board members think?

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RE: AI cheating - 1/12/2007 11:11:49 PM

Amaroq

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My first reaction, from the title, was "Oh my god no!" - as a game developer myself, I take great pride in the fact that none of my AI's have ever cheated, and they still provide a competitive opponent.

That said, your idea definitely has some appeal without feeling like 'cheating' to me. I can certainly see value in having the AI draft 'household names' in the first round, and insist on holding on to them even if they aren't panning out; I follow that strategy myself, with an irrational emotional attachment to somebody just because I know who he was IRL.

It could potentially backfire, if the AI weighted 'real life' more highly than 'game development', e.g., if Williams simply isn't developing, and the AI rates him too highly, he's costing the team a roster spot.

More worrisome might be impact on the trade AI - if it was willing to give you players who have developed into stars in the game for somebody who was (only) a star in real-life, that would be a competitive disadvantage.

That might be solvable by having the AI use your proposal for 'draft', 'release', and 'trade out' decisions, but not for 'trade in', 'free agent', and 'contract renewal' decisions.

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On the other hand, this does nothing for fantasy-player GM's; maybe a better solution would be to increase the value the AI places, in the draft, on super-young, super-high-potential players. I mean, an 18-year-old with a 90 potential, I don't honestly care what his current stats are, and if my farm system is in good shape, I'm willing to wait six years while he develops through A, AA, and AAA. The AI, on the other hand, seems to look only for major-league and AAA-quality players (appropriate for a 35-man roster, but not doing it much service on a 60-man roster).

Maybe the proposed 40-man-roster changes will give the AI the sense that anybody outside of the 40th man should be evaluated *solely* on future potential, weighting 'current ability' only as a step towards determining how good the player is likely to be (so that it can tell the difference between two 18-year-olds of 90 potential, one who is 40-40-40, and the other who is 5-5-5); it should also count the things which don't improve (speed, hands, arm) in the evaluation at full weight as well.

Likewise, the AI needs to start signing all of those young, 23-and-under high potential players, to a long-term (5- or 7- year) contracts, or six-year minor-league-salary contracts in the 40-man-roster world.

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RE: AI cheating - 1/13/2007 1:14:49 AM

URett

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I don't think overvaluing real life stats would be a problem. As far as I remember PureSim already uses real and in-game stats to calculate the ratings, so for a "cheating" AI to heavily lean on future real stats should not lead to bad decisions too often. But after a player has been in the Majors for some time his in-game stats should become more important than his real-life stats.

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