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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 3:40:22 AM   
JeffroK


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Status: offline 		At this point Luskan should be on the offensive, but that doesnt mean he has the initiative.

As Buzzz says, he cant ignore the Gilberts Offensive, so he has to react.

What's next, Raver hits another weak point and Luskan runs his CV's over there??

And the Japanese are brittle, lose a few CV's and you're up the creek, whereas the USN will keep rebuilding.

The Zeke Bonus dissapears soon, just as the P-38 arrives, and the Corsair not far behind.

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 8:19:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey JeffK, are you another Aussie?? Looks like this AAR is attracting all the boys from downunder (even if we're not all downunder anymore!).

C'mon Aussie!!!  We gave that pathetic pommy excuse for a cricket team a whopping.

And come on Luskan. You still have a very big hammer - where will you use it?

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 8:52:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Strewth and stone the bloody crows !  It's like a bloody mothers club meeting here.  I have no doubt upset Luskan's plans, but he still has the ability to hurt me in some places.  Lucky for me he is too bloody dumb to figure out just where those places are. 

< Message edited by Raverdave -- 1/5/2007 11:07:20 AM >

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 10:51:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Strewth!!!

Too many bloody Aussies here, busier than Bourke Street.

Buzzzzz, Of course I live in the land of Milk and Honey, had to bring me own Cow & Bees though!!

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 10:59:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Strewth!!!

Too many bloody Aussies here, busier than Bourke Street.

Buzzzzz, Of course I live in the land of Milk and Honey, had to bring me own Cow & Bees though!!



Which part of Western Vic? Horsham way?

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/5/2007 11:06:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		*sigh*  ratbrain is back at work so things have slowed down a tad.  I think that the boy wonder is pleased with that as his mental health was starting to show the strain from the beatings he is taking in the Marshalls'. 

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/6/2007 5:19:08 AM   
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Raver looses 40 aircraft every time he flies over Kwajalein and takes down 5-7 of mine and calls it a win.

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/6/2007 9:02:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can afford the 40 aircraft.....you can't afford the 7 aircraft.  Some light naval action at Koepang.  Luskan sends in a TF with NO cover and gets slapped for his trouble. 

Even more than aircraft losses it is ship losses that the IJN player cannot afford this early in the game.........even better if they are jap transports. 






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/27/42
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TF 1 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79)

Japanese Ships
DD Akebono
DD Nagatsuki
DD Ariake

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ASW attack at 93,92

Japanese Ships
SS I-175, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Balch
DD Fanning
DD Dunlap
DD Ellet
DD Benham
DD Maury
DD McCall
DD Gridley
DD Craven

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Night Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 7


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Koepang at 28,77

Japanese Ships
MSW Kyo Maru #5
PG Shinko Maru #5, Shell hits 10,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Akashisan Maru, Shell hits 39, and is sunk
AP Keisyo Maru
AP Kiyama Maru, Shell hits 3
AP Marsue Maru
AP Ryuyo Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Taian Maru
AP Tamaki Maru, Shell hits 2,  on fire

Allied Ships
CL Java
CL De Ruyter
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1
CL Durban
DD Alden
DD Edsall
DD John D. Edwards
DD Pillsbury

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Day Air attack on 1st Group Army, at 55,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 17

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Blenheim I x 26
Blenheim IV x 17


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bataan , at 42,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 152

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 83

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
26 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 147
Ki-48 Lily x 3

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 204

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
24 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
21 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
16 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Koepang at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 10
Martin 139 x 7
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Keisyo Maru, Bomb hits 5,  on fire
AP Taian Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Batavia

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33089 troops, 206 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 740

Defending force 15259 troops, 126 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 211

Japanese max assault: 717 - adjusted assault: 281

Allied max defense: 214 - adjusted defense: 272

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
1003 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
550 casualties reported
Guns lost 25


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Ground combat at 49,31

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 23243 troops, 299 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 483

Defending force 14916 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 354



Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3034 troops, 107 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2114

Defending force 54305 troops, 592 guns, 250 vehicles, Assault Value = 1264



Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Palembang

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2046 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Defending force 13783 troops, 171 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 395


Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported



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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/6/2007 11:57:58 AM   
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Whats a dry belt, we had 265mm of rain last year???

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/6/2007 12:17:19 PM   
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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/6/2007 6:41:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Some light naval action at Koepang.  Luskan sends in a TF with NO cover and gets slapped for his trouble. 


Night Time Surface Combat, near Koepang at 28,77

Japanese Ships
MSW Kyo Maru #5
PG Shinko Maru #5, Shell hits 10,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Akashisan Maru, Shell hits 39, and is sunk
AP Keisyo Maru
AP Kiyama Maru, Shell hits 3
AP Marsue Maru
AP Ryuyo Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Taian Maru
AP Tamaki Maru, Shell hits 2,  on fire

Allied Ships
CL Java
CL De Ruyter
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1
CL Durban
DD Alden
DD Edsall
DD John D. Edwards
DD Pillsbury




When the KB's away, the Dutch will play . . .


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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/7/2007 12:49:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah !  Actually I'm not really sure where KB is at the moment.  Was last spotted (reported) in the Marshalls, but that was well over 10 turns ago.   That Luskan is upto something for sure.  Maybe a raid on the US West coast?  Or the West coast of India?  Or he could be thinking about hitting Australia.  I'm going to have to scan the intel reports a lot closer.

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/7/2007 2:23:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a plan but it is a bit iffy.

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/8/2007 5:58:51 AM   
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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/9/2007 1:27:52 PM   
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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/9/2007 1:39:11 PM   
Luskan

 

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Status: offline 		Batavia falls, without any reinforcement required.  Another 21 thousand allied troops march into captivity, and many many troops are released for operations elsewhere.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/30/42
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Coastal Guns at Palembang, 20,55, firing at TF 112
TF 112 troops unloading over beach at Palembang, 20,55


128 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Taganoura Maru, Shell hits 2,  on fire
PC Shimushu, Shell hits 9
PG Tamo Maru #7, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported

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Night Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 10


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bataan , at 42,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 149

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 52

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
19 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 136
Ki-48 Lily x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 148

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
P-39D Airacobra x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 64

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF, near Koepang at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 9
Martin 139 x 6
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
MSW Kyo Maru #5
AP Kiyama Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 52528 troops, 507 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1031

Defending force 28161 troops, 167 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 232



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Ground combat at Batavia

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31367 troops, 154 guns, 398 vehicles, Assault Value = 640

Defending force 12542 troops, 32 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 149

Japanese max assault: 453 - adjusted assault: 263

Allied max defense: 117 - adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batavia base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
F.K.51: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
690 casualties reported
Guns lost 18
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
21252 casualties reported
Guns lost 46


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Ground combat at 49,31

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 23248 troops, 302 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 483

Defending force 14524 troops, 59 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 342



Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3048 troops, 106 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1922

Defending force 51703 troops, 534 guns, 242 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198



Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Koepang

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1714 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 49

Defending force 594 troops, 0 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Japanese max assault: 39 - adjusted assault: 14

Allied max defense: 13 - adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0


Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Palembang

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2147 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 50

Defending force 23470 troops, 189 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 564




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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/9/2007 4:54:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		This pretty interesting. But I'm not sure how well the allies can sustain major losses through 1942. It seems to me the Japanese can still wrap up the SRA and then dispose of the Gilberts more or less at their leisure.

I don't have the mileage in this game yet, but I get the impression an early allied counteroffensive - if it fails bloodily - can set them back 6 months to a year waiting for the replacements and more shipping. Transports especially don't seem to be that plentiful.

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/9/2007 8:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		what can be even worse Japanese can continue their advance through Pacific since quite a lot of US troops are engaged (read: traped) at Marshalls and Gilberts...

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RE: Banana gets his arse kicked! - 1/9/2007 10:15:01 PM   
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btw : sent in a turn rattatattabrain


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Central Pacific - 1/9/2007 10:21:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: qgaliana

This pretty interesting. But I'm not sure how well the allies can sustain major losses through 1942. It seems to me the Japanese can still wrap up the SRA and then dispose of the Gilberts more or less at their leisure.



"Leisure" is a rare commodity for the Japanese Empire. Time is almost always on the side of the Allies, especially when it comes to air combat. (And I wouldn't be surprised if minelaying was going on, too. ) The fact that Raver now has three bases within airstrike range of each other makes it a thorny problem for Luskan, which will only get worse when longer-range aircraft such as Lightnings come online.


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RE: Central Pacific - 1/10/2007 2:14:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I were a betting man I would say that Luskan is planning his next major assualt, and it will land right on the Marshall Islands.   He HAS to attack here as he cannot afford to let me continue increasing my strength here.  I'm thinking that as soon as he has rested his troops at Singers then they will be loaded and shipped to Truk, which is the logical staging base in the area.
Wotje would be the first target that he should hit, followed by Tawara and then Meloelap.  But the really SMART think to do would be to hit Baker Island.  It is here that my allied forces are supporting the other three Islands from.  IF Baker falls then the other three Islands would wither on the vine. 
Also by attacking in the Marshalls, Luskan would force me to defend with my CV's which any jap player worth his salt would be looking to hunt and destroy sooner rather than later.
Having already thought through the above what can I as the allied player do?  Well for starters as soon as wonder boy starts his attack I will know WHERE kb is...I will allow the defenders of the Marshalls to fight with little support, as they are VERY well stocked and will defeat anything that the boy wonder can throw at them (LOTS of CDs units as well as mines are now in place as well as reserve aircraft that are currently resting at Baker Is)..then I will launch a new invasion in one of three places somewhere on the map that ratbrain will have to counter.  He will then have a choice of continuing to follow thru with his attack, or turn and face the new threat that I have created with my new invasion. I don't believe that Luskan has the strategic ability to fight on two "new" fronts.

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/10/2007 3:11:24 PM   
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RE: Central Pacific - 1/10/2007 4:35:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: qgaliana

This pretty interesting. But I'm not sure how well the allies can sustain major losses through 1942. It seems to me the Japanese can still wrap up the SRA and then dispose of the Gilberts more or less at their leisure.



"Leisure" is a rare commodity for the Japanese Empire. Time is almost always on the side of the Allies, especially when it comes to air combat. (And I wouldn't be surprised if minelaying was going on, too. ) The fact that Raver now has three bases within airstrike range of each other makes it a thorny problem for Luskan, which will only get worse when longer-range aircraft such as Lightnings come online.



Leisure is relative to be sure. But he could have a good six months to pick the place apart (as Raver points out isolating first vs assault). And it gives him more favourable ground for the 'decisive battle' than some isolated US attol in the south or central pacific.

That decisive battle isn't going to give him the war but my impression so far was that US reinforcements won't replace any major losses (say a hundred or more transports and a few divisions) before late 43 or even 44. Even against the AI I've emptied the west coast of shipping just stocking supply and very slowly moving troops through 1942. Luskan has an opportunity to give himself 6-12 very quiet months of no attrition and lots of digging in through the middle of the war.

On the other hand it's war - Raver might be able to bleed him and distract him to the point an opening will come up elsewhere. Raver has picked the ground for sure. But I'm not sure if it will speed allied victory.

very interesting AAR thanks gents.

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/11/2007 1:58:04 AM   
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I'd leave the Gilberts and take Johnston Is, makes it a long swim back to Pearl...



Nah Johnston is to close to PH for Luskan to risk. Mind you I'd be very pleased if he did try it on. I know Luskan too well......he will try sumfink off the wall to...... his reputation demands it as one of the better IJN players on this site.

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/11/2007 9:40:08 AM   
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(The one in the Indian Ocean!!)

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/13/2007 3:06:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, things are certainly quiet.  When you've got thousands (ok, hundreds) of betties and nells, isolating the Gilberts and Marshalls isn't that big an ask.  But you don't want to use them for bombing - you want your sallies and helens to do that for you.

At present, my sallies are tied up with a carpet bombing campaign in the Phillipines.  until Manila and Clark and bataan fall . . . well we're still in chapter 1.  Don't make it to chapter 2 until I control the SRA and the dozen divisions I've got tied up become free again.

Colossal fatigue and disruption in my present army, but few fatalities so far.  There is a possibility of the China offensive (with divisions from the SRA) . . . would secure my mainland side a lot more.  Certainly Raver has lost more Chinese troops (wiped out - as in surrendered) in this game than any other.  I'll crush another 6 or so cut off units deep behind my lines in the next week or two and remove them from the OOB too. 

Economically things are really stong - I've slowed my economy a little to make more room for resource and oil buildup :Jap players, on turn 3, your TKs should be at Brunei, Tarakan, Balikpapan and Ambiona, and your AKs at Kendari, Tarakan and Toobali loading oil and resources for the motherland.  I didn't loose a single one to allied activity, and meant that by week two I'd replaced all those resource and oil points that I'd "spent" expanding factories, repair yards and realloacting airframe and engine production.  Singapore harbour is already a major repair port (makes Hong Kong look backward) and still growing (lots of supply - every time I land supply at Hong Kong my Chinese bases suck it all up).



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RE: Central Pacific - 1/14/2007 3:11:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I'll crush another 6 or so cut off units deep behind my lines in the next week or two and remove them from the OOB too."

I was under the impression that the only way to eliminate chinese units permanently was to casuse them to starve to death.  I'd be interested to know if this is incorrect? 

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/14/2007 4:03:23 PM   
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RE: Central Pacific - 1/15/2007 4:51:56 AM   
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Well, things are certainly quiet.  When you've got thousands (ok, hundreds) of betties and nells, isolating the Gilberts and Marshalls isn't that big an ask. 





Well I would be giving your flight crews a big kick up the arse mate......I have thousands of tons of supplies flowing into the Marshalls and have yet to see a single jap bomber.

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RE: Central Pacific - 1/15/2007 5:02:00 AM   
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