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Bug? with automatic factory production change...help ne... - 1/15/2007 2:46:06 PM   
RAM

 

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Status: offline 		hi there

I'm currently playing as allies in a PBEM with a guy who's spanish like me. He's not that good at english, so he asked me to post this problem in his name. I didn't know wether to post it in this forum or the support one, but I'll try here.


Game date is 11/10/43. He doesn't now the reason, but it seems that the 300 betty production factories he had online, have automatically changed production to Tojos (pretty abrupt change, if you want my opinion). He tried to manually turn back the production to betties, but the game has changed the production again to Tojos...so he has lost quite a bit of resources changing the production just to see the game cancelling those changes...

Any hints on what's going on here?. Any way to go around this problem?.

We're playing with CHS2.04 nikmod, 157 scenario.



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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 3:01:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It must be a scenario design problem... I would bet that the scenario designer has the Betty auto-upgrading to Tojos by mistake...

Download WITP Editor and have a look at the plane tab. I am willing to bet you will find the Betty auto-upgrades to the Tojo.

It is very easy to inadvertently mess up auto-upgrades and I spent many hours testing and re-testing auto-upgrades in my mod so I know how tough it can be to get it right ( and I still amn't 100% there).

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 3:03:26 PM   
RAM

 

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Status: offline 		still...if it's an auto-update problem, after autoupdating those factories can be changed to produce whatever the player wants. My opponent did just that, and switched the tojo production back to Betties, only to have the game switching it to tojos, again.


THe problem is not that the game did it once (well, it is a problem, but still...). The problem is that the game did it TWICE! after human input on factory production happpened...

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 3:57:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		He can do it 100 times and it will change back 100 times. The bug is in the scenario. Nothing you can do about it except change the scenrio via the editor, and restart the game. Not the game in progress, but a new one. The game in progress is hosed. Thats why I dont play "custom" mods.

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 6:56:59 PM   
RAM

 

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Status: offline 		is that so? no other solution???

its a game we've been playing for months now...and its in october 1943...no other way to fix this??

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 7:20:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it's scenario bug like said before, no way to fix durin game. Like Yamato hugger said, nothing you can do about it except change the appropriate scenario data via the editor, and restart the game. Changes cannot be made to ongoing games...well, WitP programmers can prolly...but...

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 7:22:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RAM

is that so? no other solution???

its a game we've been playing for months now...and its in october 1943...no other way to fix this??


RAM,

Yam and Nemo are most likely correct. Most likely this is coded into the scenario. But send a save to Xargun and we'll have a look.



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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 1/15/2007 7:29:27 PM   
RAM

 

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Status: offline 		thanks, jwilkerson, will do as soon as possible

Thanks for the input, all of you :)

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 2/3/2007 10:47:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RAM

hi there

I'm currently playing as allies in a PBEM with a guy who's spanish like me. He's not that good at english, so he asked me to post this problem in his name. I didn't know wether to post it in this forum or the support one, but I'll try here.


Game date is 11/10/43. He doesn't now the reason, but it seems that the 300 betty production factories he had online, have automatically changed production to Tojos (pretty abrupt change, if you want my opinion). He tried to manually turn back the production to betties, but the game has changed the production again to Tojos...so he has lost quite a bit of resources changing the production just to see the game cancelling those changes...

Any hints on what's going on here?. Any way to go around this problem?.

We're playing with CHS2.04 nikmod, 157 scenario.


I have a pre-release copy of CHS 2.04, and a copy of CHS 2.00 with me, and I checked both scenarios. In each one, the Betty aircraft upgrade paths are: G4M1 Betty -> G4M2 Betty -> P1Y Frances which does not upgrade to another aircraft. This is also the upgrade path in 2.08. I am also not aware of any changes being made to this data during any of the scenario updates.

Is there anything else I can check? I am not sure what may be causing this problem.

Andrew


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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 2/4/2007 12:05:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Xargun and I are still looking at this one. I think the root cause as been pegged above, but we'll post solution once we have it.



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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 8/29/2007 10:42:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not a bug, it's a CHS.. been reported long time ago..

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1228371

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1048832

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 8/30/2007 6:55:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		However, that which you reported before was not Betties autoupgrading to Tojos - it was a problem of a much lesser magnitude. The CHS folks have made a few mistakes, but this does not seem like something they would have done...though in life anything is possible.

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 8/30/2007 7:54:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		This one is a diferent problem Helpless.  The SAlly to helen upgrade is intended (however much people  may not like it).  The Betty does not have Tojo as it's intended upgrade in the database, so something else is going on.

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RE: Bug? with automatic factory production change...hel... - 8/30/2007 9:26:37 AM   
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couldn't sustain not to remind my favorite CHS "problem"


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