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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/8/2007 12:55:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The L1A1 SLR without a doubt. Loved it to bits and with a bayonet on the end it sure would make the bad guys think twice.
7.62mm destroys, while 5.56mm just aggravates.




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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/9/2007 2:02:33 AM   
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Hell sure it will take them down. But what about if the bullet goes through? In my humble opinon a shotgun will also do (dunno whether auto shotguns are legal tho).


You are right Ursa, for high power rifles if you load full metal jackets the bullets will go through, if you load soft points the bullets flatten out when they hit their target and make a hole about the size of a pie plate. (These are usually the type of ammo used for hunting, the bullet will not go through all the energy is transferred to the target)

Shot guns definitely have their advantages, don't have to be a good shot for one. Just be sure you are loaded with 00 or 000 buck shot or slugs(if you are confident in your marksmanship). Bird shot will just make them angry!

Auto shot guns are legal in CA for now under certian conditions. If you like your firepower I think you have to live in Nevada or Kentucky where it is legal to own machine guns.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/9/2007 6:13:26 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/9/2007 7:56:27 AM   
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Just remember one thing, most machine guns fire about 600 rounds per minute. At $1 per round, that adds up fast!

I actually find that when I take out my bolt action rifles or black powder I don't fire nearly as much ammo as when I take out a semi auto.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/9/2007 8:48:53 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/10/2007 4:45:36 PM   
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Germany, who went to war with an outstanding hunting rifle...The Mauser
America, who went to war with an excellent target rifle ..........The Springfield 1903
Britain, who went to war with the best battle rifle...................The Lee Enfield
Russia, who went to war with .......... a club...........................The Mosin Nagant

God I love my clubs...lol...Nearly indestructable, you can get extreme accuracy with them. This is obviously luck of the draw considering that they have been in use for over 100years by Soviet conscripts or worse; who may or may not have cleaned or cared for them...Bolt action, 7.62x54r, with ballistics like the 30-06. Used in combat from 1891 to present (albeit in 3rd world countries anymore) with only minor variations to the sights, stock, and barrel length. They have been used in every major conflict around the globe. I have several whose receivers date back to 1895 and 1897, and rebarreled in 1927, and 1942 with 1 1/2 - 2 inch groupings at 100 yds.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/10/2007 6:12:44 PM   
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Sorry folks but the belgians have the proven track record for making the most reliable small arms and mg's.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/11/2007 3:40:51 PM   
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I'll post the only one I own: US Rifle Musket Model of 1861, Springfield Armory Manufacture 

Ok a replica but still... Mine can throw a .575cal Minie Ball pretty far down range, and accurately to boot (except that it pulls upward).



Barring that, I'd settle for my second favorite I want to get, a 1903 Springfield (though either a Mk I or A1, not an 03-A3.

BTW my Springfield is a EuroArms that has been defarbed by the guys at James River Armory.



Gotta agree with you on this one. I've had the same one as yours for 2 years now. At 200 yds, I can regularly hit a 2 ft gong target with it. It seems to take several seconds to hear it.

I didn't go all out to have it defarbed, though. Are you a skirmisher or reenactor?

Last year I bought an Armisport 1842 Springfield (The rifled one). There's something about throwing a 730 grain .685 minie downrange.

Here's where I've bought mine:

http://www.regtqm.com/

Looks like prices have climbed since then.

I actually enjoy shooting the muskets the most. Not that I'm rejecting anything more "modern". I own an AR-15 (set up like a standard a2), One Turkish mauser, one No 4 Enfield, Two Mosin Nagants (M90/33 and M44), and a Yugo SKS. Overall I like WWII and earlier.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/11/2007 7:05:07 PM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/13/2007 10:03:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm putting together a reenacting kit, but I wanted to get the musket first because I also have an interest in old weapons. RQ is where I bought mine too, cost me $699 without sling and bayonet. I've been wanting to get a Model 1842, but I'm leaning to a smoothbore just to see what I can do with 'buck and ball' ammo. Hopefully later this year I can get a Model 1842, that is if a Pedersoli flintlock doesn't catch my eye (cough 1795 Springfield cough)


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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

I'll post the only one I own: US Rifle Musket Model of 1861, Springfield Armory Manufacture 

Ok a replica but still... Mine can throw a .575cal Minie Ball pretty far down range, and accurately to boot (except that it pulls upward).



Barring that, I'd settle for my second favorite I want to get, a 1903 Springfield (though either a Mk I or A1, not an 03-A3.

BTW my Springfield is a EuroArms that has been defarbed by the guys at James River Armory.



Gotta agree with you on this one. I've had the same one as yours for 2 years now. At 200 yds, I can regularly hit a 2 ft gong target with it. It seems to take several seconds to hear it.

I didn't go all out to have it defarbed, though. Are you a skirmisher or reenactor?

Last year I bought an Armisport 1842 Springfield (The rifled one). There's something about throwing a 730 grain .685 minie downrange.

Here's where I've bought mine:

http://www.regtqm.com/

Looks like prices have climbed since then.

I actually enjoy shooting the muskets the most. Not that I'm rejecting anything more "modern". I own an AR-15 (set up like a standard a2), One Turkish mauser, one No 4 Enfield, Two Mosin Nagants (M90/33 and M44), and a Yugo SKS. Overall I like WWII and earlier.



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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/15/2007 3:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I'm now fairly content with what I have, I wouldn't mind a flintlock sometime. I had been looking at the 1795 Springfield here

www.militaryheritage.com/muskets.htm

I've been slowly accumulating kit over the past year. Managed to get a repro belt, cartridge box, etc. I wasn't sure how to rig up the shoulder strap to the cartridge box until I found a photo of an original. I wound up with a kepi for Christmas. I'm debating whether I want to order some insignia for it from RQ or not. I've been considering joining a skirmish group.

www.n-ssa.org

Unfortunately the nearest group is about 100 miles away. Skirmishing is probably easier on the barrel than Reenacting, since the bore gets scrubbed out with each shot.


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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

I'm putting together a reenacting kit, but I wanted to get the musket first because I also have an interest in old weapons. RQ is where I bought mine too, cost me $699 without sling and bayonet. I've been wanting to get a Model 1842, but I'm leaning to a smoothbore just to see what I can do with 'buck and ball' ammo. Hopefully later this year I can get a Model 1842, that is if a Pedersoli flintlock doesn't catch my eye (cough 1795 Springfield cough)



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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/20/2007 4:26:30 AM   
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The M-14 was also considered a good weapon,but heavy.The original M-16 was hated,but over time grew into a good weapon with experience.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/20/2007 12:08:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		M1 Garand. I wouldnt mind an M-14 but never owned one. For in close work the M1 Carbine.

The m16a2 is a superb shooter. Never fired an M4.

From personal experience, I would rather hump a lightweight weapon with a lot of ammo that can hit what you aim at and canhurt or kill them. I dont "hump" anymore so have no need for a lightwieght weapon, the Garand and carbine are good pair, for target shooting and home defense.

I will point out you really dont want to fire to many non jacketed rounds through the garand, it isnt good for the weapon. Just get a carbine for "inside" work. The round is basicly a pistol round. It is semi automatic has 5 round, 10 round, 15 round and 30 round magazines and is FUN to shoot.

I dont like shotguns much but may again buy one. A slug is gonna pass through walls pretty well also though. I would suggest if you go with shotgun, you decide what you want it for, if you want a hunting weapon buy that type, if you want home defense, buy that type, or if you want both buy 2 shotguns, one of each.

Further I would recommend you buy a 12 gauge and if for home defense you have a mix of double 00 and slugs. I would further suggest if you have weapons for "home defense" you should own more than a couple rounds for said weapons.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/21/2007 6:16:16 AM   
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I'd probably have to go with either the AR-180 or the M-39.



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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 3:20:15 AM   
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AK-47

General purpose, simple, reliable.

Compromise with 7.62 x39 regarding size of round and ammo weight.


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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 4:42:27 AM   
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From 1947 onward:

AK-47

General purpose, simple, reliable.

Compromise with 7.62 x39 regarding size of round and ammo weight.




The 7.62*39 has arcish ballistics....I wish there were a 6.5 intermediate compromise round of say 6.5*48 ish...ah well maybe soon in the new 6.8 round.


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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 5:18:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Smead

From 1947 onward:

AK-47

General purpose, simple, reliable.

Compromise with 7.62 x39 regarding size of round and ammo weight.




The 7.62*39 has arcish ballistics....I wish there were a 6.5 intermediate compromise round of say 6.5*48 ish...ah well maybe soon in the new 6.8 round.



Really I am thinking about the relatively short ranges that such a weapon is used at in most cases; say 0-150 meteres. Ballistics are forgivable at those ranges.

Ease of use and reliablity, with decent firepower gets my vote.





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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 5:36:01 AM   
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Really I am thinking about the relatively short ranges that such a weapon is used at in most cases; say 0-150 meteres. Ballistics are forgivable at those ranges.

Ease of use and reliablity, with decent firepower gets my vote.




then go with the AK-74 as a 'tweener....

Actually truth be told the Galil and the Valmet are tops amongst the AR as Reliable warhorse gang....

The 7.62*39 just has too varied an arc to allow an average marksman to look "good" the 5.56,5.45, and 6.8 family allow this.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 5:48:57 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 6:02:51 AM   
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The inventors and manufacturers of revolutionary weaponry such as the AK-47 labored for the good of mankind, seeking only to liberate the working class from the oppression of parasitic western democracies.  Eugene Stoner designed weapons in order to further his pursuit of filthy lucre.  



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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 6:49:38 AM   
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Good point, as the Soviet made weapons are more "sincere" than the tools of the Capitalist oppressers.

The inventors and manufacturers of revolutionary weaponry such as the AK-47 labored for the good of mankind, seeking only to liberate the working class from the oppression of parasitic western democracies.  Eugene Stoner designed weapons in order to further his pursuit of filthy lucre.  




If we are going with "weapons and their innate intentions" I think the Nambu 94 must be classed as one of the greatest weapons in the world.

It was a downright pacifistic weapon. More likely almost to kill its user than his target, and capable of blowing off the pride and joy of Nippon with a mere slip in the mud. Hats off to you Kijiro Nambu for being on the leading edge of a massive cultural shift in Japanese thinking.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 7:03:27 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 7:43:30 AM   
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I had a fellow Marine in the early 80's tell me point blank that the South won the Civil War. His logic being that since the Union cheated by having used these methods and because the South fought "honorably" they won and the North just "stole" the victory with historical lies.

If you doubt that there are people that think in these terms, go read some of the threads in the Civil War game ( Forge of Freedom) Forum. The designers admitted they made the game "balanced" so that either side could win by force of arms. When people point out there is no "historical" scenario with the correct economies, troop strengths, manpower levels, navies, ect ect. Posters respond with comments like " well I dont want an historical game, I want to be able to take what each side had and play what if" totally ignoring the previous statements that the South has been given so many advantages as to make that impossible without serious modification to the provided scenarios.

Further, the designers have decided to add an "historical" Scenario and there are still people insisting that this is a "waste" of time. Just as in here where a cadre of posters routinely try to silence one side while getting in their digs, there is a cadre in most of the game forums doing the same.

It would appear to be Human Nature at work.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 8:36:19 AM   
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No, we cheated.... just go read some of the Civil War threads and you will quickly realize, for example, that we started cheating even back in the 1860's. I mean HOW DARE we actually use our superior numbers, manufacturing, research and economical base against anyone in a WAR.

I had a fellow Marine in the early 80's tell me point blank that the South won the Civil War. His logic being that since the Union cheated by having used these methods and because the South fought "honorably" they won and the North just "stole" the victory with historical lies.

If you doubt that there are people that think in these terms, go read some of the threads in the Civil War game ( Forge of Freedom) Forum. The designers admitted they made the game "balanced" so that either side could win by force of arms. When people point out there is no "historical" scenario with the correct economies, troop strengths, manpower levels, navies, ect ect. Posters respond with comments like " well I dont want an historical game, I want to be able to take what each side had and play what if" totally ignoring the previous statements that the South has been given so many advantages as to make that impossible without serious modification to the provided scenarios.

Further, the designers have decided to add an "historical" Scenario and there are still people insisting that this is a "waste" of time. Just as in here where a cadre of posters routinely try to silence one side while getting in their digs, there is a cadre in most of the game forums doing the same.

It would appear to be Human Nature at work.


Why limit US "cheating" to the 1860s? Remember, in the 1770s, all good soldiers fought standing in line, blazing away volley after volley with their Brown Besses and Charlevilles. But those damnable Continentals, they wouldn't fight completely like regulars.

Proof that the Brits musta won, because George Washington did lose more battles than he won, when he chose to line his men up and fight muzzle to muzzle. It was a British win, but us stoopid rebels, having to cheat to win a war.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 8:40:47 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/22/2007 11:57:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I am not real fond of the 7.62x39 round, I do like the Russian designs. I own a Mosin Nagant model 1892 and an SKS. Both weapons are very easy to operate and clean. It appears to me that the designers had the soldiers in mind when they designed such sturdy weapons.
Of those two, I prefer the Mosin Nagant. Can't get the rate of fire out of it like you can a Lee Enfield or Mauser but it is just as accurate.
In the end, when I shoot the Mosin Nagant, I do not spend nearly as much on ammo as I do with the SKS.

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/23/2007 2:10:22 AM   
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Yeah, using alligators as cannon has to be beyond the rules of warfare...

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/23/2007 4:46:08 AM   
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In 1814 we took a little trip
along with Col. Jackson down the mighty misisip
We took a little bacon
and took a little beans
and we whooped the bloody british
in the town of New Orleans

We fired our guns and the british kepa comin
There wasn't nigh as many as the was a while ago
We fired once more and they commenced to runnin
Along the misisipi to the gulf of mexico

We fired our cannon until the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alagator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannon balls and powdered his behind
When we touched the powder off
The gator lost his mind!

I remember listening to that song in the car with my father when is was 5 or 6 years old

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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/23/2007 4:51:14 AM   
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RE: What is your favorite infantry rifle? - 1/23/2007 4:58:34 AM   
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and they made the bugles ring
we stood beside our cotton bails
and didn't say a thing

we fired our guns and the british kepa commin
there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
we fired once more and they commenced to runnin
on down the missisip to the gulf of mexico!

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