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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 2:39:17 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Pilot training recommences

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 167
B5N Kate x 26
B6N Jill x 18
B7A Grace x 88
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 36
Ki-102a Randy x 12

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 12
Runway hits 128

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-45 KAIc Nick bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
23 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
23 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 27
Ki-102a Randy x 27
Ki-46-III Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet




OK I torch Rangoon its hit hard apart from that a crowning achievement to the campaign as Shokaku sinks to the bottom of the Ocean

That needs to be it my Groups are shattered and need to be reformed so I am going to withdraw and reform

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
C6N1-S Myrt: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 127

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 6 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 11 destroyed
L3Y Tina: 8 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 10 destroyed
J1N1-S Irving: 7 destroyed
C6N1-S Myrt: 4 destroyed
H8K Emily: 9 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 137

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 27


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
P-38J Lightning x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 44


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 8
Hurricane II x 9


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 13
P-40N Warhawk x 11
A-26B Invader x 12


No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
5 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
4 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 13
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 60
SB2C Helldiver x 12
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 24


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
4 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 36


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
F-5C Lightning x 3
P-61A Black Widow x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 7


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
P-40N Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 118th IJNAF Base Force, at 23,34


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 128th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 44
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-29 Superfortress x 58


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
8 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 15
B-29 Superfortress x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kure 2nd SNLF, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 65,50

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
J2M Jack x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 36
F6F Hellcat x 51
F4U-1D Corsair x 16
Corsair IV x 7
SB2C Helldiver x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 30 destroyed
J2M Jack: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 10 destroyed
F6F Hellcat: 7 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 15


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Fukuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Toyu Maru
AK Yamazato Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Daishu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 66,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 36
F6F Hellcat x 56
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
Corsair IV x 7
F6F-5N Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed


Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 13 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 6 damaged

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 15th Base Force, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 13


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kizan Maru
AP Maya Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Kuraido Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 66,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 15
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 40
F6F Hellcat x 47
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 43
Corsair IV x 7
F6F-5N Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 15 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed


Allied Ships
CV Bon Homme Richard
CVL Bataan, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 37036 troops, 216 guns, 280 vehicles, Assault Value = 319

Defending force 12244 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Allied max assault: 390 - adjusted assault: 496

Japanese max defense: 91 - adjusted defense: 41

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
558 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6940 troops, 169 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1142

Defending force 101368 troops, 710 guns, 498 vehicles, Assault Value = 1592


Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Andaman Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1245 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Defending force 1368 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Allied max assault: 52 - adjusted assault: 3

Japanese max defense: 11 - adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Post #: 1891
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 5:47:37 AM   
jolly_pillager

 

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Status: offline 		I am not sure that that's a good idea at this time.

The sad and simple fact is that PzB can recover from his losses far far more quickly than you can.

If you let off now to rebuild all you will be doing is going from a level playing field of untrained pilots thrown into combat back to a Japanese reserve of thousands of trained pilots while the USN will not have recovered a fraction of this amount...you will be in even harder straights next attack as a result.

The pressure on his airforces MUST be maintained...he cannot be allowed the breathing room to place large numbers of aircraft on so called training.

As you youself pointed out...180 vs. 2000+ trained pilots in 3 months is simply unacceptable...your kill rate isn't high enough to deal with that. You can of course use Chinese based air to deteriorate his "training" to some extent...but it will be easier for those P-40's to do their work if the best fighter units are fighting you in the Pacific instead of flying escort in China.

Also do not underestimate the pressure that can be put on his industries by constant heavy attrition...he surely has large stockpiles of HI, oil, and resources at this time...the best way to burn through these is to force his factories to go at full blast replacing losses.

The key to absolute air superiority over the Home Islands in the second half of '45 (allowing a strat bombing campaign that might even the score a little) is to keep his aircrew quality on the ropes now.

Anyways...enough preaching for now

Just remember that backing off for a breather is much better for him than it is for you...and will be as long as hundreds of pilots can bomb Chinese bases and become aces doing it.

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Post #: 1892
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 6:28:59 AM   
Zeke

 

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Status: offline 		IMHO, reopening China theatre at this time and in this way, might be seen as kind of opportunitism and not too fair. The Allies should have better way to deal with the difficulties.

< Message edited by Zeke -- 2/16/2007 6:44:05 AM >

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Post #: 1893
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 6:29:13 AM   
Vetamur

 

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Status: offline 		Hi Andy.. I dont think its really contraversial..its just that people look at it differently. Its clear that as the war goes on the US should be getting more and more pilots per month. It should accelerate. 150 or so in 1942.. 200 in early 43, 250 in late 43, a jump to 400 in early 44, etc.  Probably also with the number of planes. 

In the game of "I wish", ideally there would be a kind of meter the allied player could control. The meter would show how well the war in Europe was going, and then could decide what percentage of material is used on the Pacific war (thereby adjusting his own production).  Allocate too little to Europe one would start to "lose" there and there would be consequences.. maybe recalled ships, planes, or army units.  Allocate enough there to get the job done quickly, you could get a big production boost in 44 and 45..

I totally agree you shouldnt be having to use untrained 30xp pilots.  Maybe you and Pzb should have a talk about it. If your pilots are going to be 30s..then perhaps in an admission this is a fault in the game (that hasnt been play tested this late in the war) he would agree to curtail his training to some degree. Maybe not completely.. I would argue that in fact you have been taking casualties at a higher rate than the US at this point in the war so the number of trained pilots would have suffered..but I would also argue that the US, with its mentality, simply wouldnt have sent off 30xp pilots to the war...

A big part of the problem is overly deadly A2A I think. And Im not sure how players can adjust to that.

Final note.. you might be overestimating how much training he is getting done. I know in my own case (and Im no where near the player he is admittedly) its not the level people have mentioned in this thread..

Sorry to be a pain.. Im still new and this discussion is a good way for me to think all this stuff through. I appreciate it!

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 6:39:43 AM   
Zeke

 

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Status: offline 		I agree. Simply none has played this far. So essentially this is not a normal game anymore. It has become the "training ground" of the entire WITP community. We can safely predict some house rules revision would be widely adopted based on lessons learned here. So a good and fair game is highly expected. Cheer up!

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 2:30:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeke

IMHO, reopening China theatre at this time and in this way, might be seen as kind of opportunitism and not too fair. The Allies should have better way to deal with the difficulties.


But it is fair, that China can be put out of the war so easily?
Obviously you cannot imagine the problem:
PzB produces thousands of planes and trains his boys in China (which Andy left alone after he got too good fighters, very fair of PzB, really) while Andy is stuck with some phantasy production which is about 20% of what the US really produced. Tell us please, how one should handle that difficulty.

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Post #: 1896
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 2:57:26 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		The problem is there is no right answer.

If I do nothing PZB will simply retrain his pilots and he will have 2,000+ elite pilots again plus the Shinden/Reppu while I am stuck with 30xp pilots and 180 trained navy pilots.

The game just does not work.

We closed down China purely because of my planes upgrading when they should not have done so. It was right and proper - PZB was keeping supplies low in China trying to keep me below 20,000 and he was managing it BUT by a quirk of the game I got P40N's so we had a discussion and PZB got a free hand in China.

Remember when I took on the game China was quiet on the ground but it was active in the air - it was only because of the game quirk that we shut it down.

Now having said all of that I recognise the accusation of opportunism that has been levelled at me.

The real question is if PZB knew I was going to do this would he have thrown as many trained pilots at me over Iwo - is it fair after he has destroyed his AF to not allow him to at least partiallly rebuild.

I guess had I told him 4 weeks ago that I was considering this then that would have been reasonable as it stands it is perhaps unreasonable - the fact that the allies are screwed on airframes and pilots should not affect the inherant unfairness of a 7 14 or even 28 day deadline in these circumstances.

So I am going to propose the following to PZB.

1. I will not interfere with training with Chinese based aircraft until 1st March
2. I will not use US or RAF aircraft in China at all until 1st April.

That should allow PZB to replenish at least some of the pilots he perhaps would not have thrown at Iwo had he known this was my intention.

Does that sound reasonable ?

Andy

As of 1st march

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Post #: 1897
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 4:44:52 PM   
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The real question is if PZB knew I was going to do this would he have thrown as many trained pilots at me over Iwo - is it fair after he has destroyed his AF to not allow him to at least partiallly rebuild.


i am not sure this computes...

The (imo: flawed) game mechanics allow him to build up a force of trained pilots and good planes that in actual events the Japanese could never hope to possess... he used these to savage your forces and now is left with little - which is what he should have had in the first place. He got a free ride based on the game mechanics, and now people are crying foul that you are not allowing him a second free ride.

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Post #: 1898
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 5:08:33 PM   
Nikademus


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Status: offline 		Have to agree.....the "training" method of bombing bases makes a mockery of the in-built training mission which was calibrated specifcially to conform to RL practices. While some exp gain via ground attack is unavoidable (for example, in my game with Rroberson, i have much of my Commonwealth airforce fighter/fighter bombers on ground support missions attacking Japanese troop concentrations in support of my own forces pushing into Burma.....something that was one of their primary jobs there in RL), one should not be bombing bases specifically to build exp. Japan's RL problem (and Germany's) was lack of resources to maintain a pilot cadre under attrition warfare.

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Post #: 1899
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 5:17:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

The real question is if PZB knew I was going to do this would he have thrown as many trained pilots at me over Iwo - is it fair after he has destroyed his AF to not allow him to at least partiallly rebuild.


i am not sure this computes...

The (imo: flawed) game mechanics allow him to build up a force of trained pilots and good planes that in actual events the Japanese could never hope to possess... he used these to savage your forces and now is left with little - which is what he should have had in the first place. He got a free ride based on the game mechanics, and now people are crying foul that you are not allowing him a second free ride.

I have to agree here.......as mostly a Jap player.......I never use on map training in this fashion....becuase it does exploit the game Mech.........PzB was allowed to do it once.....why should he be allowed to do it again?.......but as always...esp. in late war games.......the key is to talk things over with your opp.........

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Post #: 1900
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 5:39:52 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks guys I appreciate the thoughts I don't want to cause grief for anyone its an interesting debate and as I said there is no 'right answer' its a case of being reasonable to all parties.



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Post #: 1901
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 5:51:14 PM   
Nikademus


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Status: offline 		Considering how far you've both gotten, obviously the discussion level between you and PzB is excellent. I'm sure you'll both work it out. (it's too bad you didn't invest the Marianas.....B-29's would do wonders against his plane industries)



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Post #: 1902
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 6:06:33 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Marianas had 100k troops each behind level 9 forts and that was the first time I lost all my Hellcats and Navy pilots I had to withdraw I hated it but I had no choice.

PZB then re trained all the pilots he lost in China which is why I am unwilling to repeat the process.

Andy

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Post #: 1903
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 8:30:59 PM   
Nikademus


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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 11:16:38 PM   
ChezDaJez


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quote:

Have to agree.....the "training" method of bombing bases makes a mockery of the in-built training mission which was calibrated specifcially to conform to RL practices.


I would also tend to agree with a caveat.

The normal pilot training model in WitP is based upon the conditions that the Japanese encountered in RL. Declining resouirces and oil resulted in declining training levels. But if the Japanese player avoids these conditions in the game, he is still penalized in his pilot training.

As an example, I currently have 3 Zero Sentai training at a base away from the action using the normal pilot training method. These Sentai were hard hit during earlier battles and had to be rebuilt. They have been training for the last 3-4 months and only one has reached 60 experience. The other two are around 55 exp. That means they have increased their experience by about 10-12 points over 90 days. That is unacceptable IMO. I would have to remove a unit for 6-9 months to bring the experience anywhere close to the level of the enemy's. Except for using China for training, there is no acceptable alternative for the Japanese player to train pilots.

IRL, 3 months of dedicated training as allowed by WitP should greatly improve a pilot's skill, even if it was only mock combat against their squadron mates. Unfortunately, it does not. Let me clarify this, it isn't so much the small increase gained as it is the staring exp level for non-trained pilots. The game does not have a routine that allows the Japanese player to increase the number of trained pilots he receives from the pool. I wouldn't mind seeing the number of trained pilots in the pools be based on the level of resources/oil/HI in the home islands. A dynamic pilot training porgram would also give the allied player greater incentive to interdict the flow of resources.

Andy uses daily air raids on Mandalay which results in substantial training for his units. I find this fully acceptable as it is a front line base, that if active, could present a danger to his forces. I, on the other hand, have no similar base that I could do the same without incurring substantial losses as Andy has enough airpower in place to make this method useless for maintaining pilot experience. Even without defenders in place, the distance I would have to fly would make ops losses prohibitive.

In my game with Andy, I have avoided using ground training for pilots as I do not believe in using this method on a large scale for training. A unit here and there, sure but not on a massive scale such as what PzB uses. However, I fully understand why he does it and sympathize with the need.

Chez

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 11:29:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

Hi Nik,

quote:

Have to agree.....the "training" method of bombing bases makes a mockery of the in-built training mission which was calibrated specifcially to conform to RL practices.


I would also tend to agree with a caveat.

The normal pilot training model in WitP is based upon the conditions that the Japanese encountered in RL. Declining resouirces and oil resulted in declining training levels. But if the Japanese player avoids these conditions in the game, he is still penalized in his pilot training.

As an example, I currently have 3 Zero Sentai training at a base away from the action using the normal pilot training method. These Sentai were hard hit during earlier battles and had to be rebuilt. They have been training for the last 3-4 months and only one has reached 60 experience. The other two are around 55 exp. That means they have increased their experience by about 10-12 points over 90 days. That is unacceptable IMO. I would have to remove a unit for 6-9 months to bring the experience anywhere close to the level of the enemy's. Except for using China for training, there is no acceptable alternative for the Japanese player to train pilots.


Why should this be unacceptable? I don't understand your problem here. Pilots with XP between 55-60 are trained and combat ready. Did you ever play the Allies in a campaign game? I'm in March 1944 now, playing the Allies (PBEM). Most of my newly arriving airgroups have XP below 60. There're some exceptions (mainly USN and USMC), but (as you'll probably know) Allied pilots with 100+ missions are sometimes withdrawn from the theatre (dice-roll dependant, simulating their use as instructors).



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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/16/2007 11:57:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'll beat the dead horse a bit more: training into the 50-60 level is one thing... getting super-dogfight/interceptor pilots (70-80 exp) out of bombing rocks (undefended or essentially undefended targets) is something else. USN pilots by the end of the (actual) war had 2-3 YEARS of training (including training in bombing rocks), not 2-3 months - and they enter the game somewhere in the 60s exp.

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 12:08:42 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Lets be clear both sides get unlimited single circuit solo basic flight pilots which for the Jpanese is a stretch in itself

3 months to go from there to combat ready at 55xp is about right.

Is the issue lack of flexibility ?

The allies dont have the same issue as their pilots are off map trained therefore actually the Japanese get unlimited 'basic qualified' pilots and 30 free combat trained pilots a month

I dont want to get into a fight about this because the game is as it is.

I would argue allied pilot numbers should be boosted for the US at least to be de facto unlimited and that the Japanese should be given 20 x 100 plane sqns with no planes and no pilots at start that are only capable of performing training missions (plus possibly Kamikaze).

The sqns and these sqns only should have a 'draw a rookie' pilot button and be permanently assigned to the Home Defence restricted command  and a return 'trained' pilot to pool button cap the xp at 50 and hey presto if the Japanese can generate the frames and commit the supplies to allow flight training thats great then they can train as many pilots as they like 2,000 pilots/say 2 months to get to 50 and you can get 1,000 pilots a month trained - IF you commit the frames, supplies and pilots to do so.

I have NO real issue with any numner of 50 - 55 xp pilots its the 60+ ones that concern me when the allies are so heavily hamstrung

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 12:40:06 AM   
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quote:

Why should this be unacceptable? I don't understand your problem here. Pilots with XP between 55-60 are trained and combat ready. Did you ever play the Allies in a campaign game? I'm in March 1944 now, playing the Allies (PBEM). Most of my newly arriving airgroups have XP below 60.


The problem is that the Japanese air forces quickly become non-competitive once 1943 is reached.

According to the manual your average experience levels for trained pilots in 1944 should be 75 (USN) and 65 (USAAF/USMC/Brits).

Now compare that to the Japanese trained pilot pools arrive at 50 (IJA) and 45 (IJN) for the same period. And that is the real issue. The Japanese pllayer is penalized with poor pilot replacements (all 10 IJN and 20 IJAAF per month) regardless of how well he has fought the war. He has no way of training these guys to anywhere near decent levels without resorting to on-map training. In Andy's game with PzB, the game would have been over a long time ago had it not been for PzB's China training.

And, yes I have played an allied campaign albeit vs the AI. I am currently in Jan 45 and even the most inexperienced allied fighters wipe the floor with Japanese pilots. To turn your question around: Have you ever played the Japanese into 1944? Or even to the end of 1942? If you have, then you will see that without on-map pilot training, the Japanese might as well surrender the moment the Hellcat arrives.

Anyways, it is what it is so I will drop it for now.

Chez



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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 1:02:02 AM   
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According to the manual your average experience levels for trained pilots in 1944 should be 75 (USN) and 65 (USAAF/USMC/Brits).


Should be - but i never saw numbers anywhere near this in the game... usually i was happy if i got a USN pilot with 60 exp. into Jan 1943 (supposed to be 70), USAAF pilots were around 50 (not 55), and "untrained" guys were from 20-27 range, usually not even 30 (i think i even got some Dutch pilots as low as 17). i'd be curious to see if anyone is drawing trained ALlied pilots in this range. i suspect the numbers the manual is quoting might be what the AI gets.

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 1:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The manual is wrong or rather misleading

All pilots arrive at the preset level throughout the war so I think its 60 for USN and 55 for USAAF and 80 I think for the 10 pilots the IJapaneseN get these pilot xp levels do not change between 41 and 45 each month you will get that level of traioned pilots into the pool.

The table in the manual for the movement over time ONLY applies to reinforcement sqns that have not had their xp specifically set in the manual

i.e. VF 17 arrive preset to have 80 xp pilots but a CV Sqn with no specifified xp level in the manual will arrive at 70xp in 42 and 75 in 43

or to use a Jap example a George Sqn arriving in 44 with preset xp can be 70, 80 or whatever the scenario designer has set if nothing is set it will arrive at 75xp in 42, 60 in 43, 45 in 44 etc etc 

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 1:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is why scenario designers need to be sooo carefull about messing with Japanese free pilots if you give the IJN 100 free pilots a month at 70xp they will get that level from 41 to 45 !!!!

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 1:42:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

The manual is wrong or rather misleading

All pilots arrive at the preset level throughout the war so I think its 60 for USN and 55 for USAAF and 80 I think for the 10 pilots the IJapaneseN get these pilot xp levels do not change between 41 and 45 each month you will get that level of traioned pilots into the pool.

The table in the manual for the movement over time ONLY applies to reinforcement sqns that have not had their xp specifically set in the manual

i.e. VF 17 arrive preset to have 80 xp pilots but a CV Sqn with no specifified xp level in the manual will arrive at 70xp in 42 and 75 in 43

or to use a Jap example a George Sqn arriving in 44 with preset xp can be 70, 80 or whatever the scenario designer has set if nothing is set it will arrive at 75xp in 42, 60 in 43, 45 in 44 etc etc


Ah - thanks for clearing that up!!!

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RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 3:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok ENOUGH IS ENOUGH i AM PULLING THE FLEET BACK TO mARCUS AND A WELL EANRED REST THE cve'S WITH SOME mARINE coRSAIRS ON BOARD WILL REMAIN ON STATION

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/29/45

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 167
B5N Kate x 26
B6N Jill x 18
B7A Grace x 88
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 36
Ki-102a Randy x 12

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 12
Runway hits 128

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-45 KAIc Nick bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
23 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
23 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 27
Ki-102a Randy x 27
Ki-46-III Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
C6N1-S Myrt: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 127

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 6 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 11 destroyed
L3Y Tina: 8 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 10 destroyed
J1N1-S Irving: 7 destroyed
C6N1-S Myrt: 4 destroyed
H8K Emily: 9 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 137

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 27


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
P-38J Lightning x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 44


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 8
Hurricane II x 9


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 13
P-40N Warhawk x 11
A-26B Invader x 12


No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
5 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
4 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 13
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 60
SB2C Helldiver x 12
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 24


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 10000 feet
4 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 36


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
F-5C Lightning x 3
P-61A Black Widow x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 7


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
P-40N Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 118th IJNAF Base Force, at 23,34


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 128th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 44
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-29 Superfortress x 58


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
8 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 15
B-29 Superfortress x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kure 2nd SNLF, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 65,50

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
J2M Jack x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 36
F6F Hellcat x 51
F4U-1D Corsair x 16
Corsair IV x 7
SB2C Helldiver x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 30 destroyed
J2M Jack: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 10 destroyed
F6F Hellcat: 7 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 15


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Fukuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Toyu Maru
AK Yamazato Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Daishu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 66,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 36
F6F Hellcat x 56
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
Corsair IV x 7
F6F-5N Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed


Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 13 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 6 damaged

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 15th Base Force, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 13


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kizan Maru
AP Maya Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Kuraido Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 66,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 15
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 40
F6F Hellcat x 47
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 43
Corsair IV x 7
F6F-5N Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 15 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed


Allied Ships
CV Bon Homme Richard
CVL Bataan, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 37036 troops, 216 guns, 280 vehicles, Assault Value = 319

Defending force 12244 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Allied max assault: 390 - adjusted assault: 496

Japanese max defense: 91 - adjusted defense: 41

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
558 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6940 troops, 169 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1142

Defending force 101368 troops, 710 guns, 498 vehicles, Assault Value = 1592


Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Andaman Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1245 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Defending force 1368 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Allied max assault: 52 - adjusted assault: 3

Japanese max defense: 11 - adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Post #: 1914
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 4:35:57 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK things are starting to settle down a little my heavies attack the AF at Bonin this is the begining.

Some enemy ships are sighted NNE of Marcus I will send a carrier TF to check it out on their way home

I have decided not to keep ships loaded with troops at Marcus I am withdrawing the follow on forces to Midway I have decided NOT to commit them so I dont wantr them staying on ships to long and gettign fatigued so I will withdraw them.

1st ANZAC Army is moving up Malaya towards Bankok I don't expect them to take it as the real thrust will be an Amphib landing in the Saigon area.

A convoy has been sent to get 3USMC off of the beaches they are wasted where they are.

Time to switch the axis of advance once more PZB won this round but it cost him.

Op plan Yellow is declared a failure time to think again I think the concept was sound it was my execution that made it fail.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/30/45

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ASW attack at 67,52

Japanese Ships
SS RO-45, hits 13, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Strong
DD Spence
DD Luce
DD Cony

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ASW attack at 67,52

Japanese Ships
SS RO-45, hits 6, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Strong
DD Spence
DD Luce
DD Cony

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ASW attack near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese Ships
SS RO-39

Allied Ships
DD Wilson
DD Henley
DD Stockton
DD Uhlmann
DD Tingey
DD The Sullivans
CL Birmingham

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TF 1041 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Allied Ships
MSW Execute
MSW Dour
MSW Device
MSW Design
MSW Scuffle
APD Weber
APD Kinzer
LSM LSM-139, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Sub attack at 64,50

Japanese Ships
AK Shoyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Asahi Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Aspro

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 3
B6N Jill x 2
B7A Grace x 2
Ki-102a Randy x 2

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19
B-25J Mitchell x 6


No Allied losses

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 11
Beaufighter VIC x 4
Mosquito FB.VI x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 7


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 18


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
P-38J Lightning x 7
P-47D Thunderbolt x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 39


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 13
P-40N Warhawk x 11
A-26B Invader x 13


No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 31
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 21


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
AV Borneo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 37
B-24J Liberator x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 4 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 3 destroyed
H8K Emily: 3 destroyed
B7A Grace: 3 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 105

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 12
F-5C Lightning x 5
P-61A Black Widow x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 21


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 10
F4U-1D Corsair x 16
F6F-5N Hellcat x 11
Hurricane II x 12
Spitfire XIV x 6
Kittyhawk III x 17


No Allied losses

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 3rd USMC Division, at 31,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Toboali at 22,57


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 72
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
TBM Avenger x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nitimei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Momoha Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,53

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack at 64,50

Japanese Ships
AP Hawaii Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PC Sado

Allied Ships
SS Aspro

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ASW attack near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese Ships
SS I-181, hits 12, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Finnigan
DE Connolly
DE Tills
DE Stern

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ASW attack at 64,50

Japanese Ships
PC Sado

Allied Ships
SS Aspro


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 37468 troops, 223 guns, 287 vehicles, Assault Value = 350

Defending force 12028 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 162

Allied max assault: 400 - adjusted assault: 409

Japanese max defense: 96 - adjusted defense: 16

Allied assault odds: 25 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1148 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6970 troops, 171 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1150

Defending force 102895 troops, 722 guns, 500 vehicles, Assault Value = 1601


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Andaman Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1237 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 82

Defending force 1358 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied max assault: 58 - adjusted assault: 5

Japanese max defense: 11 - adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1



Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

(in reply to Andy Mac)
Post #: 1915
RE: Plan red: China problem - 2/17/2007 4:56:26 PM   
Andy Mac

 

Posts: 15222
Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		The casualty list is in for warships.....

Japanese

3 x CV, 1 x CVL, 1 x CVE, 2 x BB, (no confirmation on Musashi yet could she have survived....)
1 CL, 2 CA, 36 DD's, 4 Subs

Allies

1 x CVL, 1 x CVE, 2 x CL, 2 x CA, 43 x DD and 7 Subs

(in reply to Andy Mac)
Post #: 1916
Op Plan Yellow - the aftermath - 2/17/2007 7:51:23 PM   
Andy Mac

 

Posts: 15222
Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		OK roundup time well where to begin....

I am convinced that the direct approach was correct given the time pressure and that the USN should have had the strength to finish Iwo alone BUT I miscalculated lured in by deceptive weakness. (p.s. the time pressure is more around his industry than anything else he will produce 500+ Shindens and Reppus a month if I let him - I need to pressurise his industry)

I attacked and should have taken more weight on the attacks at Wake and Marcus and only after they were mine should I have went for Iwo. Someone made a Market Garden analogy a few posts back and they were correct. I had intel that he only had 30,000 men on Iwo I wanted to take it before he reinforced .....well that worked out well didn't it !!!!

I could whinge about game mechanics but I wont we play the game we are given In hindsight

Marcus should be lvl 4 AF and Port before the attack on Iwo
I should have feinted against North Japan
My plan to land 1 reinforced Corps was a mistake I should have taken 9 Divisons and landed them all on one day AFTER bombers from Marcus had closed the AF's.

(Technical issue that P51D's cannot reach Iwo from Marcus so my raids would be unescorted unless I committed carriers)

So I tried to do it on the cheap and with speed and audacity and it blew up in my face.

I now have 1 Corps stuck on Iwo without a friendly AF.

On the plus side I have shattered KB and his surface fleet but it cost me my Naval Air that will take 6 months to rebuild my pilot strength. (although I can cover some of this with USMC pilots)

I have 4 CV's fit for action at Marcus the rest need refit and 2 more on West Coast within 10 days the rest need at least 2 months rest.





(in reply to Andy Mac)
Post #: 1917
RE: Op Plan Yellow - the aftermath - 2/18/2007 6:50:35 PM   
Andy Mac

 

Posts: 15222
Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		OK a TF has been sent to evac Miri.

Apart from that my CVE's are keeping the japs quiet at5 Iwo while I sort out TF's and troops

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/31/45

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ASW attack near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese Ships
SS RO-39, hits 13, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Finnigan
DE Connolly
DE Tills

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ASW attack at 62,52

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 15
PC Shonan Maru #6
PC Fumi Maru #3
PG Uji
PG Ikunta Maru
PG Kanko Maru
MSW W.25
MSW W.39
MSW W.19
MSW W.38

Allied Ships
SS Tullibee

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
C6N1-S Myrt x 36
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 106

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 23

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 24
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 30
Ki-102a Randy x 24
Ki-46-III Dinah x 2

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kompong Trach , at 29,44


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 49
B-24J Liberator x 16


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kratie , at 30,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 42


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 18
Liberator VI x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 3
Mosquito FB.VI x 10
B-29 Superfortress x 93


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 3 damaged
Liberator VI: 5 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 165
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 25


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 28
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 23


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged

Japanese Ships
AS Nagoya Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chidori, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 36
P-61A Black Widow x 2
B-24J Liberator x 60


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
PG Hirotama Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AR Kagu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AV Borneo Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CS Mizuho, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tohuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Chiburi, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AS Nagoya Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Eifuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 8
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 6


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 8


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-40N Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 3rd USMC Division, at 31,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 18th/B Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 25,56


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 105
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
TBM Avenger x 7


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Tusima Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AK Toyohasi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 37768 troops, 221 guns, 291 vehicles, Assault Value = 387

Defending force 11489 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Allied max assault: 416 - adjusted assault: 372

Japanese max defense: 99 - adjusted defense: 14

Allied assault odds: 26 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 3


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6970 troops, 171 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1154

Defending force 103957 troops, 725 guns, 500 vehicles, Assault Value = 1605


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported

(in reply to Andy Mac)
Post #: 1918
RE: Op Plan Yellow - the aftermath - 2/18/2007 6:58:29 PM   
Andy Mac

 

Posts: 15222
Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		OK the B24J's are now striking far and wide

I am withdrawing more ships to refit.

Intrepid is at 10 sys on thew West Coast and Lake Champlain is close

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/01/45

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TF 1075 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Allied Ships
DD Roe
DD David Taylor

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
C6N1-S Myrt x 32
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 66

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 171
B5N Kate x 27
B6N Jill x 18
B7A Grace x 79
Ki-102a Randy x 50

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 133

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 23

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 26
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 33
Ki-102a Randy x 27
Ki-46-III Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kompong Trach , at 29,44


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 7
Beaufighter VIC x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 46
B-24J Liberator x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kratie , at 30,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 30


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 5


No Allied losses

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 17
Liberator VI x 6
Beaufighter VIC x 3
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
B-29 Superfortress x 77


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged
Liberator VI: 2 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 114
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 1


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 18


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 4
P-40N Warhawk x 7
P-38J Lightning x 9
A-26B Invader x 3


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Spitfire XIV x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 9
A-26B Invader x 13


No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
10 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 37
P-61A Black Widow x 3
B-24J Liberator x 65


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CS Mizuho, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AS Nagoya Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
PG Aso Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Hinode Maru #18, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Genyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Dalakita Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Sakito, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Mizuho Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS RO-45, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MLE Azuchisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tohuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Akitsushima Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Isuzugawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported

Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 7
F-5C Lightning x 3
P-61A Black Widow x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 15


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 6


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 16
F6F-5N Hellcat x 11
Hurricane II x 12
Kittyhawk III x 17


No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 19
P-40N Warhawk x 18


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 3rd USMC Division, at 31,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 128th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 52
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 93


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
19 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
19 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
23 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
8 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
7 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
19 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-29 Superfortress x 8


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 80,55


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
F6F Hellcat x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
SB2C Helldiver x 22


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AV Akitsushima, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Miri at 31,57


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 18
B-24J Liberator x 23


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Seiki Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Tenposan Maru, Bomb hits 17, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 24,60

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
B7A Grace x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
B7A Grace: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK James H. Lane
DE Baron

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 24,60

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 9 destroyed

Allied Ships
DE Whitehurst, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK James H. Lane
DE Baron, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
F6F-5N Hellcat x 9


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/B Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68179 troops, 700 guns, 502 vehicles, Assault Value = 1610

Defending force 65121 troops, 628 guns, 265 vehicles, Assault Value = 1160



Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 38187 troops, 224 guns, 295 vehicles, Assault Value = 421

Defending force 10893 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Allied max assault: 418 - adjusted assault: 500

Japanese max defense: 89 - adjusted defense: 9

Allied assault odds: 55 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
8082 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 3


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6279 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 160

Defending force 139 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Allied max assault: 139 - adjusted assault: 104

Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 104 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6940 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1160

Defending force 104155 troops, 725 guns, 502 vehicles, Assault Value = 1610


Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported

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Post #: 1919
RE: Op Plan Yellow - the aftermath - 2/18/2007 7:00:09 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		MY evac TF has arrived it will pull the tropps of tonight and withdraw I don't want PZB to get to much of a chance to scare up an assault force

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/02/45

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 100
C6N1-S Myrt x 35
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 97

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 140

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
30 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
33 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
20 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
30 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
35 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
22 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
22 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
D4Y Judy x 271
B5N Kate x 27
B6N Jill x 45
B7A Grace x 149
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 4
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 71
Ki-102a Randy x 33

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 262

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
46 x B7A Grace bombing at 15000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
26 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
22 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
15 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
36 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
24 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
30 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-45 KAIc Nick bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B6N Jill bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 21

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 26
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 31
Ki-102a Randy x 24
Ki-46-III Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
23 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 15
B-25J Mitchell x 5


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 3


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 24
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 18
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 32
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 7 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 17


No Allied losses

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 7
A-26B Invader x 3


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
5 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 7
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 3
B-24J Liberator x 44

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed
H8K Emily: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 3 destroyed
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
F-5C Lightning x 3
P-61A Black Widow x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 12


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
F6F-5N Hellcat x 11
Hurricane II x 11
Kittyhawk III x 17


No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
P-40N Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 128th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 31
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 37


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
25 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
7 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 82,63


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 22
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-29 Superfortress x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 34th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 26,40


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 32,54


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 74
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
TBM Avenger x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Amagisan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Georgetown at 23,44

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Belknap

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 35,72

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AP Bloemfontrin, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DMS Wasmuth, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Diomed


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 1
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 6


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 15th Base Force, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 81,55


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 10
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
SB2C Helldiver x 14
F6F-5N Hellcat x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AV Akitsushima, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Miri at 31,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 64
F4U-1D Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 14 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 5 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 35,72

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Diomed
DMS Wasmuth, on fire
AP Tasker H. Bliss, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Success

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68084 troops, 695 guns, 502 vehicles, Assault Value = 1609

Defending force 65309 troops, 626 guns, 268 vehicles, Assault Value = 1166



Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 38545 troops, 227 guns, 297 vehicles, Assault Value = 455

Defending force 4825 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Allied max assault: 420 - adjusted assault: 336

Japanese max defense: 65 - adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 168 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2950 casualties reported
Guns lost 25

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6266 troops, 79 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Defending force 132 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Allied max assault: 139 - adjusted assault: 98

Japanese max defense: 4 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 98 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6940 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1166

Defending force 103962 troops, 720 guns, 502 vehicles, Assault Value = 1609


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported


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