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RE: XX inch Dahlgrens and Rodmans, Nope. - 2/21/2007 7:42:09 AM   
christof139


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Who in the heck are you suppossed be?? It is very unhistorical to have uber weapons in a game that were produced in a total quantity of SEVEN pieces and that were never used in combat. That is Sci-Fi to me.
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And yes, only "historical' weapons should be used in a historical game, otherwise the game becomes a Turtledovish and Victorian Age Sci-Fi game.


See, we just disagree about this. I don't think it's science fiction to have a piece that was produced in 1864 to be produced in 1862 if the player chooses one upgrade instead of another and decides to spend funds in one way instead of another. Construction on the 20-inch Dahlgrens was, in fact, first ordered in 1862, though due to delays the first wasn't actually finished until 1864. To compare the inclusion of an 1864 weapon in a Civil War game with Harry Turtledove's novel which has AK-47's in the Civil War seems like an insulting exaggeration.


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There are errors in the land weapons too, as I and others have pointed-out.


I have addressed any of these that have come to my attention. I believe that people were simply looking at other issues of the weapons than we were, or did not realize that for some weapons we were include aggregate statistics from several issues of that weapon type. We are planning to change two of the weapons' statistics in the patch, this will reflect different issues of the weapons and is mostly being done for the sake of game play balance. All of our weapon statistics are based on historical research -- there are different sources of data available, and we have opted to use what seem to be more realistic battlefield numbers for the ranges rather than the more theoretical numbers that come from firing range tests. But it is wrong to imply that our weapon data is not historical just because someone found a different statistic or two somewhere.


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My whole point is that more people like a historically accurate ACW game rathr than a non-historical Victorian Age Sci-Fi game. Some things can be stretched or altered, such as moving your commanders around where they wern't etc., but to have weapons in a game that can affect a game's play and outcome greatly is maybe stretching it too far.


I can't imagine that the 20-inch Dahlgren alone would affect the outcome of the game -- as it is now, the weapon is priced so expensively that it is probably a poor game strategy to use many of them.


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This is constructive criticism, as many others have given here.


I have to beg to differ; the title of your thread and the tone of several of your posts seem to me inflammatory. Your posts may be "constructive criticism" but they are not just that. When you call the historicity of the game "science fiction" and compare it to a Harry Turtledove novel you are not just being constructive, you are giving people who are here on the forum to learn about Forge of Freedom for the first time a poor impression of the game. We are more than happy to take constructive criticism, and the hundreds of changes we are making to the game in the upcoming update are, I hope, a testament to the fact that we take such criticism seriously. However, please understand that these forums are our primary way of showing off our game to the public and that rather than "improve the game" posts like yours seem more like attempts to smear our game and hurt our sales and reviews.



Say Eric, you sort of jumped all over me about the Beligan Liege Rifle, and the game info. itself and mauch other info. backed me up. Seems you have a problem being rude at times because you think you know everything, and you certainly don't about the ACW.
You even made a smart-aleck remark about because I once owned a Beligian Liege that that made me an expert onit, well, have you ever owned one or any other ACW firearm?? I told you the Belgian Liege was a piece of do-do and indeed it was, and the info. in the game even states this, so who is being silly?? Answer, YOU not me.

I was jumped on by a bunch of complaining and arguing and whining people when I first came here, and it continued. Most gamers seem to have this type of childish know-it-all streak. Too bad, very sickening.

As for Mr. Palfrey, I saw not anyhting but arrogant inuendo in his initial posts to me, and i have deemed it completely a waste of time to listen to his babbling.

Seems you seem to think that you and a few others here are experts on the ACW and etc. and not anyone but thee and thine has any deep feeling or knowledge of thie time in history.

Very rude and pathetic.

Take care, and read your own post to me, where you have been quite rude and insulting and pedantic yourself. Try some inuedo with yourself and some of the other silly people here. You should practice what you presch, and read a bit more of the ACW before you start slamming people that have much more knowledge than yourself.

I even tried to be nice, very objective, and supportive, and stop all the useless arguing that existed here before I ever came here.

Any day of the week boss, Chris



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RE: XX inch Dahlgrens and Rodmans, Nope. - 2/21/2007 8:02:25 AM   
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A warning:

1) I never attempted to smear your game as you claim Eric, and said not anything different than many other people here said.

2) For some reason I was singled out because of my knowledge and love for this time period of our country's history, and this is very obvious. Seems some people are very jealous.

3) I also attmepted to stop the arguing that existed here BEFORE I came here, but to no avail.

4) I also was supportive of the game the efforts to make it, but apparently you only read and digest what you to choose to. You are blind, and rude.

5) Many people have complained of the delivery hassles assocaited with game, and I was but one of many that FINALLY did after wating a good amount of time. Thankfully it was sorted out, and I posted some thank-you's here that went completely unnoticed, another real class act.

6) I took a lot of my time to find and post info. and some sources, and also some more unique flags. HS also said he would enjoy some more flags, so how is this smearing your game.

7) You are the one that is smearing your game Eric, with your attitude, not me.

8) Seems most people want a historical game, and SOMEONE ELSE here, in fact more than on eother person, has stated the historical innaccuracies and compared the game to Turtledove etc. BEFORE I EVER DID.

9) So, for some reason you and a few others here are indeed singling me out for some fairly vile ostraization and persecution, and you will get a response from me and any other person you do this to.

10) What you have done is to ignore historical ponts made by interested people, and you are turning interested people away, plus, you seem to think you just simply are on a pedestal.

11) Confed. Ironclads being able to sail the open seas but not travel on rivers is very unhistorical and did not occur ecept for the European built Stonewall, and perhaps the 3 or so times that Confed. Ironclads actually did cross the river bars for brief ventures onto the open seas. this is historical. Plain simple fact. why would this bother you unless you have some ego problem or didn't research this enough.

12) There are many other groups where good and factual historical exchanges of info. Here, too much inuendo from day one is what I have seen.

Chris

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RE: XX inch Dahlgrens and Rodmans, Nope. - 2/21/2007 4:20:02 PM   
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I am bored and fed up with this guys ramblings.  He only sees things from his point of view and it tries to squash anyone who disagrees with him, like some sort of ACW gestapo.  Christof139 if you are so unhappy with things why do you go off and create your own game.  That seems to be the only way that you are going to be happy.  Attacking me and the other posters on this site, fine.  There is nothing that I can do about it.  But when you start attacking the creators of this game, who pour their blood, sweat and tears into this project, then you have gone too far.  You really want to know how people feel about you and your posts, then run a poll.  I am sure their are many otheres who feel the same way I do.

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RE: XX inch Dahlgrens and Rodmans, Nope. - 2/21/2007 4:30:47 PM   
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Ok, I don't see this heading anywhere except hard feelings, which is also not helpful.

Let's step back and cool down, I think everyone here wants to help the game.

Any point this thread had regarding naval guns has long since been made and discussed. Locking this one up, let's try to get along better in other threads.

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