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Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 11:34:51 AM   
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Only about 2 weeks until cricket WC 2007 in the West Indies starts. So who's gonna win the trophy ? Will it again be the aussies like 2003 even though they blundered against England ? Maybe South Africa current leader of ODI statistics ? Or do the West Indies take advantage of the host status ? So what do you think ?

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 11:49:45 AM   
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Only about 2 weeks until cricket WC 2007 in the West Indies starts. So who's gonna win the trophy ? Will it again be the aussies like 2003 even though they blundered against England ? Maybe South Africa current leader of ODI statistics ? Or do the West Indies take advantage of the host status ? So what do you think ?


Personally I think they've got a lot of nerve organizing a *World* Cup for a sport that's only played in like 5 countries ... and don't get me started on the baseball "World Series"

And I dare any cricket fan to explain/motivate half of every umpire's decisions regarding the LBW rule when confronted with the tv images.

But it's a sport that has it's advantages. You can doze of for an hour while watching it and chances are that when you wake up you haven't missed a thing

Playing host + used to local conditions means the West Indies are my favourite.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 12:15:08 PM   
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Personally I think they've got a lot of nerve organizing a *World* Cup for a sport that's only played in like 5 countries ... and don't get me started on the baseball "World Series"




http://www.cricketeurope.net/BELGIUM/index.shtml



But you have to agree that cricket is played world-wide and has first rate teams from all continents.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 1:59:20 PM   
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Personally I think they've got a lot of nerve organizing a *World* Cup for a sport that's only played in like 5 countries ... and don't get me started on the baseball "World Series"


http://www.cricketeurope.net/BELGIUM/index.shtml




I pass the Mechelen CC ground on the way to work, so I know there's a couple of clubs over here, but that doesn't make it a sport that's actually played over here in a meaningful sort of way - I bet there are more *wargamers* over here than actual cricket players

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But you have to agree that cricket is played world-wide and has first rate teams from all continents.


Nope, sorry, no can do - there are perhaps a dozen countries that can really put together a team, in all the other countries it's so marginal that practically everyone with 2 legs can make the "national" team.

It's not just a complaint I have against cricket. A local sport over here is "cyclocross" - basically cycling in the mud and hills on a regular roadbike. It's rather popular over here and marginally popular in half a dozen other countries. Yet every year there's a "World Championship" where there's always a lot of representatives from Zimbabwe and China and ... Sure, there's cyclocross in those countries, but not in a meaningful sort of way to have a *World* championship.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 3:02:51 PM   
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Nope, sorry, no can do - there are perhaps a dozen countries that can really put together a team, in all the other countries it's so marginal that practically everyone with 2 legs can make the "national" team.

It's not just a complaint I have against cricket. A local sport over here is "cyclocross" - basically cycling in the mud and hills on a regular roadbike. It's rather popular over here and marginally popular in half a dozen other countries. Yet every year there's a "World Championship" where there's always a lot of representatives from Zimbabwe and China and ... Sure, there's cyclocross in those countries, but not in a meaningful sort of way to have a *World* championship.

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Well, leaving individual sport aside (i.e. Track&Field, Cycling, Tennis etc.) I can think of but a few team sports that would qualify for a WC under your standards. That would be Football, Basketball and Volleyball. Maybe Rugby. OTOH you have Handball, Icehockey, Hockey, .... (well, there are really not so much team sports ) Hmm....

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 3:55:24 PM   
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Well, leaving individual sport aside (i.e. Track&Field, Cycling, Tennis etc.) I can think of but a few team sports that would qualify for a WC under your standards.


Don't read to much into these "standards" - it just puts a smile on my face to read about "WC <insert pasttime/sport here 99% of the local population does not know anyone who actually practices it>"

In the music industry it's called the "Big in Japan" factor.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/27/2007 10:27:12 PM   
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Not the most likely winners, but I think my betting tip would be New Zealand.  You can get 10-1 which is pretty decent when considering their recent excellent performances against the Aussies.  The best I could find for Australia was 12/5 which is less than generous, I think, considering their dive in form and loss of top players.   England at 8-1 isn't a bad bet, either.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/28/2007 12:01:24 AM   
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If NZ are chasing, then I'd put my money on them.Plus the playing conditions are similar to ours but we're not the greatest at defending a total. Then again neither are the Aussies...

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 2/28/2007 12:40:44 AM   
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Cricket is religion in India and Pakistan and Sri Lanka. There's about 1.3 billion people. It's huge in Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and very popular in much of the rest of the old British Empire. It was popular in the US once too...

Originally played by officers of the British Army with local landed gentry predisposed to be Anglophiles, cricket became a major recreation of American gentlemen of leisure and indeed, several Founding Fathers of the United States were known to be avid cricketers---John Adams among them, who stated in the US Congress in the 1780s that if leaders of cricket clubs could be called "presidents", there was no reason why the leader of the new nation could not be called the same!

Eastern Canada had developed cricket clubs as well, shortly after the US clubs had made their initial appearance. Both US and Canadian cricket clubs roamed far and wide in search of competitive cricket, as was the custom in those times. Soon, an animated cross-border traffic developed, and it was out of that friendly rivalry that the first international cricket developed in the modern world.

The first annual Canada vs. USA cricket match, played since the 1840s, was attended by 10,000 spectators at Bloomingdale Park in New York. The USA vs. Canada cricket match is the oldest international sporting event in the modern world, predating even today's Olympic Games by nearly 50 years.

Touring teams from the West Indies, England and Australia were playing in the USA and Canada until the 1920s. In one of the last such established tours, the Australian team with Don Bradman among them played in Canada and the USA, leading to the naming of Stanley Park in Vancouver, British Columbia, as his "favorite cricket ground" by the great Sir Don himself.

The USA also sent touring sides abroad. It achieved its greatest success when a national USA side defeated the West Indies by nine wickets in an international match in British Guiana in the 1880s.... see "USA vs. West Indies: Our Finest Hour" for a report on this victory.

Cricket declined in the USA in the 20th century because in the late 1800s it had remained a strictly amateur elite sport at the same time that England, then Australia, were developing a professional system that allowed full-time players to participate. In the halcyon days of amateur cricket, talented North Americans could sometimes hold their own on the field with the best the world had to offer. But as cricket standards improved elsewhere in the world by becoming semi-professional and then fully professional, many North American cricket clubs stayed stubbornly elitist. Abandoning cricket, they converted their facilities to recreations like golf and tennis.

Then, there was the urban (and local) recreation originally called "townball", which had developed out of cricket. Unlike cricket, townball could be played in small city squares and compact urban spaces, rather than spacious cricket parks. Some city cricket clubs, viewing it as an auxiliary entertainment, had even sponsored the first "baseball" teams, as they came to be called (see "How baseball REALLY developed in America" for a full report). After 1900, baseball took over the American scene, created its independent mythology, and obviated the sport that gave it birth. In a few decades, cricket in America had become only a memory.

The eclipse of American cricket was aided and abetted by developments in the British Empire. The British, it appears, were not at all enthusiastic about US participation in world cricket. The Imperial Cricket Conference which was formed to coordinate the worldwide development of the sport specifically excluded countries from outside the British Empire from any role in the proceedings. This exclusionary policy certainly undercut any momentum to professionalize cricket in the USA, although whether the momentum would have developed even in the presence of a more open ICC remains a question.
(from Wikipedia)

People who know little about cricket often claim it's boring or that nothing happens. That's because they know little about cricket. Chess looks boring to people who don't know about chess. This sport is very intellectual as well as physical and for it to be so wildly popular in Australia, a country with extremely fast paced sports like Australian Football and both forms of rugby, it can't be boring. I challenge anyone to watch Adam Gilchrist's recent 57 ball century (in a 5 day test match, traditionally the less hectic form of the game), with the ball being repeatedly belted into the crowd and claim that was boring. That's hardly an isolated example either. He's been doing it for nearly ten years and Australia regularly rattle along for hour after hour. With these new bats and the introduction of boundary ropes, fast scoring is usually the order of the day around the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPOOhFmUprA

(Includes the commentary stylings of Bill Lawry, Tubby Taylor and Michael "Whispering Death" Holding. A cultural journey for the uninitiated )

The World Cup looks very open. New Zealand, Sri Lanka and South Africa are big chances but despite their late season stumble in the one dayers, don't write off Australia. They smashed England and New Zealand all summer but then lost form and had injuries (and maybe got a bit cocky). They've won the last 2 World Cups for a reason. They're a ruthless and talented outfit and they usually come back hard when their pride is hurt.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/7/2007 3:09:48 PM   
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Warm-up matches :

West Indies vs. Kenya - West Indies won by 21 Runs

England vs. Bermuda - England won by 241 Runs

South Africa vs. Ireland - South Africa won by 35 Runs

Sri Lanka vs. Scotland - Sri Lanka won by 159 Runs

India vs. The Netherlands - India won by 182 Runs

Australia vs. Zimbabwe - Australia won by 106 Runs

Pakistan vs. Canada - Pakistan won by 77 Runs

Bangladesh vs. New Zealand - Bangladesh won by 2 Wickets (6 balls remaining)



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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/7/2007 3:46:47 PM   
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My money goes on Scotland.

Yes, it's blind patriotism and yes, I do have money to burn!


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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/7/2007 4:09:28 PM   
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In a case of overconfidence I put 4 euros on south africa
We'll see how it all ends

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 12:11:32 AM   
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Warm-up matches :

West Indies vs. Kenya - West Indies won by 21 Runs

England vs. Bermuda - England won by 241 Runs

South Africa vs. Ireland - South Africa won by 35 Runs

Sri Lanka vs. Scotland - Sri Lanka won by 159 Runs

India vs. The Netherlands - India won by 182 Runs

Australia vs. Zimbabwe - Australia won by 106 Runs

Pakistan vs. Canada - Pakistan won by 77 Runs

Bangladesh vs. New Zealand - Bangladesh won by 2 Wickets (6 balls remaining)




That's an excellent effort by Kenya and Ireland. I hear the latter are getting pretty good now. And JudgeDredd, I remember Australia (after a poor start) struggling to beat Scotland in the 1999 World Cup, meaning they had to win every game and blew out to 11-1 to win the tournament. Guess who got on them then and cleaned up? Ho Ho Ho. Mind you, there were some pretty scary moments, especially before Steve (The Ice Man) Waugh saved our backside with a stunning century against South Africa and in the subsequent tie in the semi final.

Here he is playing his trademark slog sweep...

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 12:36:09 AM   
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I'm glad we lost to Bangladesh, it was a good wake-up call after basking in the Chappell-Hadlee win.The Irish played well and I'm not suprised by Kenya, they will get Test status sooner rather than later.


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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 1:06:28 AM   
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I'm glad we lost to Bangladesh, it was a good wake-up call after basking in the Chappell-Hadlee win.The Irish played well and I'm not suprised by Kenya, they will get Test status sooner rather than later.


Geez, I didn't see the New Zealand game. Bangladesh are dangerous. Australia lost to them in 2005.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 3:34:12 AM   
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Yep, if you take them too lightly, they'll bite.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 9:32:54 AM   
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in all the other countries it's so marginal that practically everyone with 2 legs can make the "national" team.


I have to say this is one of the many things in cricket's favour. As an American, I played competive baseball as a youth and only picked up cricket when I studied abroad in Munich for a couple of years and spent a lot of time associating with ex-pat Aussies, Scots, and Englishmen...I have to admit, I found it just as boring as anyone who had never been exposed to the game before, in the beginning. And of course, the standard is ****, despite all the ex-pat indians/banlgledishis/pakastanis/limeys/australians there.

Looking back on it now, the thoughts of those summer weekends spent in the green meadows of the Englischer Garten fielding not only to prevent runs, but to protect my beer, are among some of the most idyllic of my life. Maybe you've played the game and just don't like it, but I have to say never really learned to appreciate its gentle pace until I was actually a participant. I find watching it on telivision entirely captivating now.

Also, I made Munich history as the first american ever to be bowled by another american in Munich cricket. I swear, i was holding my own against the good bowlers, the damn thing from my compatriot was just an enourmously HIGH ARCING knuckleball...it practically came down on the wickets from over my head ;)

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 9:36:56 AM   
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Hi Fredk. You've been playing with the MCC ?

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 9:37:21 AM   
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Also, I made Munich history as the first american ever to be bowled by another american in Munich cricket. I swear, i was holding my own against the good bowlers, the damn thing from my compatriot was just an enourmously HIGH ARCING knuckleball...it practically came down on the wickets from over my head ;)


LOL, I got someone out the exact same way back in my schoolboy cricket days


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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 9:50:05 AM   
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Hi Fredk. You've been playing with the MCC ?


Actually, against - i was a member of various pub 11s that played against MCC in some warm up matches + casual games and a bit of training with MCC.

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LOL, I got someone out the exact same way back in my schoolboy cricket days


Trust me, it was totally schoolboy. As one of the englishmen put it: "You looked like you knew what you were TRYING to do, but you still looked like an American who knew what he was TRYING to do."



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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 9:57:48 AM   
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as an addendum to the last post: There is a sorry as picture of me on the toytownmunich.com site (now toytowngermany.com) playing in the "The Arc Pub 11 vs. MCC" warmup match from sometime in april/may 2006. You might remember me as the poor american who decided to wear boxers rather than brief as was constantly holding his cup up while running and spent the hour or so after the match shaking furiously while sipping his beer! ;)

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 10:08:51 AM   
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Here is an actual picuture of me immediately preceding my batting from the aforementioned match:


eh, damn image shack, i'll try to get it working here in a second.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 10:10:46 AM   
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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 10:12:06 AM   
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damnit, apparently i'm too stupid to figure out imageshack, but if I go to this URL, i can see the picture: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=post24121147013484ii4.jpg

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 10:45:52 AM   
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hehe, I see you're putting on the most important piece of protection gear

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/8/2007 10:48:53 AM   
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hehe, I see you're putting on the most important piece of protection gear


Cheapest insurance you will ever buy, my friend. ;)

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/9/2007 12:53:48 AM   
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I can remember forgetting my "box" (family jewels protector) when opening the batting as a teenager. Not great timing considering I was to face the fearsome pace attack of MCCC (I don't even know what that stands for, but it filled one with foreboding), which consisted of oversized country lads with the ability to bowl ludicrously fast and with a pathological hatred of city cricketers. Inevitably I inside-edged a ball straight into the cruets and didn't run many quick singles for a while.

Standing in the outfield with a beer in one's hand is an integral part of social cricket. I've seen some spectacular catches taken, the best part of which was not a drop was spilled.

And there's no shame to getting out to poor bowlers. I've played cricket at a fairly high level but the hardest bowlers to face are what I would call non-cricketers. They mostly bowl rubbish with no pace on it that one mistimes by trying to hit it too hard (if you can reach it) but then they give you an unplayable one.

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/9/2007 5:32:46 PM   
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Hi, more warm-up matches

Bangladesh vs. Scotland - Bangladesh won by 7 wickets (with 95 balls remaining)

Bermuda vs. Zimbabwe - Zimbabwe won by 6 wickets (with 126 balls remaining)

Canada vs. Ireland - Ireland won by 7 wickets (with 139 balls remaining)

Kenya vs. The Netherlands - Kenya won by 9 runs

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/10/2007 9:59:46 AM   
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.... and the last of the warm-up matches next week it will be for real

Australia vs. England - Australia won by 5 wickets (with 55 balls remaining)

New Zealand vs. Sri Lanka - New Zealand won by 18 runs

Pakistan vs. South Africa - Pakistan won by 7 wickets (with 33 balls remaining)

India vs. West Indies - India won by 9 wickets (with 189 balls remaining)

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RE: Cricket World Cup 2007 - 3/11/2007 8:53:53 AM   
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..England to win, or lose, whatever..

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