Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
France
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A Direct attack on Germany, possibly through Belgium (and the Netherlands)
B Direct attack on Italy
C Attack to remove all Axis forces from the Med
D Attack through the Balkans, against the Axis aligned minors

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E Play a supportive role in CW, USA, and USSR attacks on Germany and Italy
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Russia
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∙ DOW Persia

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∙ DOW Bulgaria

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∙ DOW Rumania - demand Bessarabia

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∙ DOW Finland - demand Finnish borderlands

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I The USSR is not under immediate attack at the start of the Global War scenario. This gives the USSR several options:

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ORIGINAL: ullern

I was surprised this one wasn't on the list:

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I The USSR is not under immediate attack at the start of the Global War scenario. This gives the USSR several options:

Add:
∙ DOW Germany
So I agree with Lars, but will say it even more strongly. A USSR Dow on Germany is always very beneficial for the allies. Those very few games I have experienced with this scenario, Germany are about conquered before USA enters the war. So I'd say that if this is possible I would do it even though it means exhausting US-entry against Germany.
Any semi-smart German player would always be sure to maintain his garrison (so this need really to be on the to-do-list for the German AI).
Of course, a forward set up is very risky for USSR, so to DOW Germany should be considered as a quick stunt, not a grand strategy.

I would also add another bullet that would make the above scenario more likely:
If nothing better to do with the USSR, then set up defensively against German attack, and DOW Japan (or do not choose to end the Japanese war even though you can). If you combine a halfway backwards set up, and an "active" USSR (Say Odessa and a line north from Odessa). Then USSR can deploy to a forward set up with two clear weather impulses. This should stress Germany a lot, as I point out that a USSR DOWing Germany on a bad timing always wins the game for the allies. I have done this myself in games where the Euro-Axis commits too heavily in Spain, or goes Sea lion.

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ORIGINAL: iamspamus
Not sure if this is above, but what about USSR dow on Persia? Shouldn't that be an option too?
Jason

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8.5 Defense against partisans

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- creating a supply source (e.g., recapturing a home city , with the capital being the best),

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Seems good.

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8.5 Defense against partisans

Not that I would like to appear pedantic, but I had written what I found a good thing, about garrisoning, in the German AI (here : http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=979605, post #5)

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- creating a supply source (e.g., recapturing a home city , with the capital being the best),

I think that this one is impossible, because PART don't control hexes, nor change control of hexes, they just interupt the benefit of controlling the hex for the country controling it.
So a capital occupied by PART would only allow for units cooperating with said PART to Paradrop / Invade without combat here, of deny the occupying country the use of the RP or Red Factory that may be present here too.

There was also a good thread about AI for Partisans here.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=988374&mpage=1&key=partisans��

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I have been in Provence, France (or en route) for 5 days - just south of Avignon. While in Europe I have generated a lot of new stuff for the AIO, which I will type in when I get home. Here is something for you to chew on:

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Damage priorities are:
- putting many units out of supply

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
- consider making a partisan HQ if the rule is being used. If it is possible, then use the two weakest partisan units to form the HQ.

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ORIGINAL: npilgaard

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I have been in Provence, France (or en route) for 5 days - just south of Avignon. While in Europe I have generated a lot of new stuff for the AIO, which I will type in when I get home. Here is something for you to chew on:

Don't you ever take a break from this...?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Damage priorities are:
- putting many units out of supply

Best if it allows for some counterattack on the oos-units (ie there must be some significant enemy force capable of doing an attack - best if possible to flip oos units), or if the supply chain cannot be easily redone. Otherwise I think that destroying a fd air unit is better (or maybe fd naval units)

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
- consider making a partisan HQ if the rule is being used. If it is possible, then use the two weakest partisan units to form the HQ.

A matter of playing style, I guess, but I think I would make this a higher prioroty, especially if having two not-so-strong partisan units. Especially the Russian HQ is nice (iirc it can be used as a standard Russian HQ)

Otherwise it looks good

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
- CW and USSR only request lend lease air units when those units are better than the average in their force pools and they have the BPs to build them.

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- France only asks for lend lease air units after it has gone On the Offensive (strategic plan #4 - described in next post), and it has the BPs to build them.

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- USA always lend leases air units, in priority order, to: China, USSR, CW, France.

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

China, if severely mauled by the Japanese, might consider surrendering if it would hurt the Japanese by an increased US entry or by causing Japan to be at peace removing their Mil and reserve units from the map and forcing Japan to use only combined actions. The latter can be powerful against Japan in mid to late 41 when they are getting ready to hit the CW in the Pacific.

Lars 

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

China, if severely mauled by the Japanese, might consider surrendering if it would hurt the Japanese by an increased US entry or by causing Japan to be at peace removing their Mil and reserve units from the map and forcing Japan to use only combined actions. The latter can be powerful against Japan in mid to late 41 when they are getting ready to hit the CW in the Pacific.

Lars 

I would really only do this if China really was in such a desperate situation that it makes any future hope of liberating China impossible, and that Japan is refraining from conquering it. For example, if max production falls below say 1 BP steadily (only 1-3 factory left).

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

China, if severely mauled by the Japanese, might consider surrendering if it would hurt the Japanese by an increased US entry or by causing Japan to be at peace removing their Mil and reserve units from the map and forcing Japan to use only combined actions. The latter can be powerful against Japan in mid to late 41 when they are getting ready to hit the CW in the Pacific.

Lars 

I would really only do this if China really was in such a desperate situation that it makes any future hope of liberating China impossible, and that Japan is refraining from conquering it. For example, if max production falls below say 1 BP steadily (only 1-3 factory left).

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

For the AIO, I think only a few lend lease rules are needed.

- Italy only requests lend lease air units, when those units are better than the average units in its force pool it has the BPs to build them.
- Germany always grants Italy's requests.

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

China, if severely mauled by the Japanese, might consider surrendering if it would hurt the Japanese by an increased US entry or by causing Japan to be at peace removing their Mil and reserve units from the map and forcing Japan to use only combined actions. The latter can be powerful against Japan in mid to late 41 when they are getting ready to hit the CW in the Pacific.

Lars 

I would really only do this if China really was in such a desperate situation that it makes any future hope of liberating China impossible, and that Japan is refraining from conquering it. For example, if max production falls below say 1 BP steadily (only 1-3 factory left).

Yes, it would only be done if the Allies could have some definite benefit versus the Japanese by doing so.

There is another side benefit - The Allies can then enter China without being hindered by the foreign troop commitment and HQ limitations.

In MWiF with all the addional Chinese cities this situation may never occur as it often did in CWiF.

Lars

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ORIGINAL: christo

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
For the AIO, I think only a few lend lease rules are needed.

- Italy only requests lend lease air units, when those units are better than the average units in its force pool it has the BPs to build them.
- Germany always grants Italy's requests.

Will this mean that the:
-bf 109
-fw 190 D
-Ju 88 a1
-Ju 87 D
will never be available to the german player as the stats for these planes are definately better than average for the italian planes and therefore the Italian AI will automatically request them from a compliant german AI ?

Christo

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
- CW and USSR only request lend lease air units when those units are better than the average in their force pools and they have the BPs to build them.

The "are better than" has to be defined.
For example, while the CW LL P-40E is worse in A2A factors than most of that year's FTR2s (they have 5-7 A2A factors), it has the advantage of being one of the first allied FTR2 able to reach the Sea Box Section 3 (Range 7) with a decent A2A strength which is IMO VERY important for the CW who in this period (1941) is either trying to get the upper hand in the Med, or defending Gibraltar. So in this case, whateve its A2A strength, it is his range that makes the P-40E a must have for the CW in 1941.

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- France only asks for lend lease air units after it has gone On the Offensive (strategic plan #4 - described in next post), and it has the BPs to build them.

I disagree.
Lend leased A-20 & A-22 are must have for the French in 1939. They are equal to or better than what the French have, and can be obtained in setup.

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- USA always lend leases air units, in priority order, to: China, USSR, CW, France.

I disagree, in regards of what I wrote previsouly about the P-40E, who is the first decent FTR2 to be able to reach section 3 in a sea box. This is a must have for the CW. It is also good for China, but it is nearly too good for China, in regards of how much good it is for the CW. This is not the same for the P-40F of next year, because by then the CW will have had other FTRs to take superiority in the sea areas.

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Germany has several of each of these air units (I believe), and would only lose 1 of each if Italy lend leases it. Germany can also demand it back at any time, and certainly would get it back if Italy were conquered.

Do you believe there should be more conditions checked before Germany lend leases one or more of these units? If so, what shuold they be?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: christo

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
For the AIO, I think only a few lend lease rules are needed.

- Italy only requests lend lease air units, when those units are better than the average units in its force pool it has the BPs to build them.
- Germany always grants Italy's requests.

Will this mean that the:
-bf 109
-fw 190 D
-Ju 88 a1
-Ju 87 D
will never be available to the german player as the stats for these planes are definately better than average for the italian planes and therefore the Italian AI will automatically request them from a compliant german AI ?

Christo

Germany has several of each of these air units (I believe), and would only lose 1 of each if Italy lend leases it. Germany can also demand it back at any time, and certainly would get it back if Italy were conquered.

Do you believe there should be more conditions checked before Germany lend leases one or more of these units? If so, what shuold they be?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

In going over all the posts on strategic plans for the 8 major powers, I have found a common element that I think will be very helpful to me in compartmentalizing the rules for the AIO: Plan of Conquest.

I have several of these partially completed already, and I will post them once I get home and have the opportunity to type them in. For example, Plan of Conquest for: Denmark, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Persia, Yugoslavia, Phillipines. But even for these I would like to make them more complete. Here is the preliminary structure I have for storing "Plan of Conquest" data:

- land units needed
- air units needed
- naval units neeeded
- positioning for units
- 1st impulse objective hexes
- ground strikes
- invasions
- paradrops
- ground support
- objective hexes for complete conquest

Perhaps I could add oil needs, though that seems excessive. If the major power can't afford the oil, then why is it looking to conquer another country?

I originally thought to apply this design for minor countries, but a more elaborate variation might work for tackling major powers too (e.g., Opeation SeaLion). And then I figured it would be a real good idea for conquering smaller areas, especially single hexes (e.g., Gibraltar, Singapore, Truk, Honolulu, Malta, etc.). In fact, I am thinking that a standard 'package' for invading single hexes should be defined, where the package changes depending on the terrain, weather, and defenders.

This came out of my work on DOW by each major power. I saw that besides the political situation warranting the DOW, the JCS (Joint Chiefs of Staff) also had to have the military prowess and the requisite positioning prior to the DOW. So, in advance of deciding to DOW, the CIC (Commander in Chief) has to forewarn the JCS that a DOW will occur within the next 2 impulses. Then the JCS has to assemble and position the forces. The CIC only declares war when the JCS gives the ok. For instance, the DOW might be delayed due to weather.

If this works out the way I expect it too, the strategic plans will include these operational/tactical details and can be accessed by the various DMs (e.g., Admiralty, Air Marshal, Field Marshals) without haveing to develop them each time from first principles.

Comments?

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ORIGINAL: christo

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Germany has several of each of these air units (I believe), and would only lose 1 of each if Italy lend leases it. Germany can also demand it back at any time, and certainly would get it back if Italy were conquered.

Do you believe there should be more conditions checked before Germany lend leases one or more of these units? If so, what shuold they be?

It is probably a moot point anyway as Italy will be as able to utilise any of the planes for the same purpose as germany, be that supporting the invasion of the ussr or defending western europe.

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ORIGINAL: Mziln

France could still build units, receive lend lease, and have partisans.

Just explaining the 1/2 factories rule.

13.7.6 Surrender

During any peace step, you can surrender a home country of a major power that controls less than half the printed factory stacks in the home country. You can surrender a home country with no printed factories if there is an enemy land unit there.

Treat the surrender of a home country as a complete conquest (see 13.7.1) of the major power if it doesn’t control any aligned minors. Otherwise it is incompletely conquered.