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ORIGINAL: terje439
hmm peoplemention alot of classical music etc, which is good, but is it really a WWII game withouth "Lili Marlene", "Waltzing Matilda" and Edith Piaf?

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ORIGINAL: terje439

" Lili Marlene was based on a poem written German soldier Hans Leip during World War I (in 1915), and published in 1937. Norbert Schultze set the poem to music in 1938 and it was recorded just before the war. It became a favorite of both German troops when it was broadcast to the AfrikaKorps in 1941. The immense popularity of the German version led to a hurried English version done by Tommie Connor and broadcast by the BBC for the Allied troops. Eventually, both sides began broadcasting the song in both versions, interspersed with propaganda nuggets. The German singer was Lale Andersen , an anti-Nazi. But the most celebrated singer was another anti-Nazi German - Marlene Dietrich, began to sing it in 1943. The English version of the song embellishs an already sentimental German original. After the war, the song's fame was perpetuated by Vera Lynn who sang it in every NAAFI concert she gave for British BAOR (British Army of the Rhine) soldiers stationed in pre-NATO Germany, to thunderous applause and stomping feet" Modern History Sourcebook

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hmm people mention a lot of classical music etc, which is good, but is it really a WWII game withouth "Lili Marlene", "Waltzing Matilda" and Edith Piaf?

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ORIGINAL: macgregor

My personal opinion, as much as I love music, is that I wouldn't worry about it too much. Even the best of music can get worn out. As long as the game is either not in fullscreen or has some feature that will allow it to reduce without closing is all I need to login to Live365 where I can pick from thousands of internet radio channels. Everything from adventure and war movie movie themes to stations that play wartime news broadcasts (complete with swing music) for those that prefer. And these stations don't repeat every ten minutes. While I have no affiliation with them I have to acknowledge what a tremendous asset this is to the wargaming experience. And yes it is free.

-on the other hand. Either national anthems or nation specific trumpet calls might be nice to announce one's turn.

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ORIGINAL: jeffthewookiee

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ORIGINAL: macgregor

My personal opinion, as much as I love music, is that I wouldn't worry about it too much. Even the best of music can get worn out. As long as the game is either not in fullscreen or has some feature that will allow it to reduce without closing is all I need to login to Live365 where I can pick from thousands of internet radio channels. Everything from adventure and war movie movie themes to stations that play wartime news broadcasts (complete with swing music) for those that prefer. And these stations don't repeat every ten minutes. While I have no affiliation with them I have to acknowledge what a tremendous asset this is to the wargaming experience. And yes it is free.

-on the other hand. Either national anthems or nation specific trumpet calls might be nice to announce one's turn.

As a composer, I've faced that kind of challenge often: writing great, interesting music that doesn't get boring after too many repetitions. I've come to the conclusion that context is very important. A classical piece is usually written to stand alone and be appreciated all by itself. If it hogs the center of attention, that's because it's designed to. That sometimes makes it difficult to use historical pieces in a computer game; they weren't meant to be repeated for the length of a 2 hour gaming session, and they were meant to be grab attention.

A lot of modern computer game music is composed much differently than traditional pieces like these. The heart of the music is an ambience and an atmosphere more than a journey from start to finish. Good in-game music should probably take this into account and assume a support role rather than a center-stage one.

One technique I've seen used is essentially a music bed without much discernable movement. It's usually loop-based and establishes a mood without pushing to hard towards a musical goal. As the game's 'intensity' increases, a second track is cross-faded in that's essentially the first track with elements... several versions of the original track are created this way and represent different 'intensities'. Events in the game cause the level to be raised or lowered, which determines which version of the track to be played. Since the track is ambient in nature as a background rather than a progressive piece of music, it's relatively easy to smoothly fade from one level to the other.

So you might be playing Track A, but suddenly a guard notices your spy and the game fades in Track D to show the immediate danger.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: jeffthewookiee

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ORIGINAL: macgregor

My personal opinion, as much as I love music, is that I wouldn't worry about it too much. Even the best of music can get worn out. As long as the game is either not in fullscreen or has some feature that will allow it to reduce without closing is all I need to login to Live365 where I can pick from thousands of internet radio channels. Everything from adventure and war movie movie themes to stations that play wartime news broadcasts (complete with swing music) for those that prefer. And these stations don't repeat every ten minutes. While I have no affiliation with them I have to acknowledge what a tremendous asset this is to the wargaming experience. And yes it is free.

-on the other hand. Either national anthems or nation specific trumpet calls might be nice to announce one's turn.

As a composer, I've faced that kind of challenge often: writing great, interesting music that doesn't get boring after too many repetitions. I've come to the conclusion that context is very important. A classical piece is usually written to stand alone and be appreciated all by itself. If it hogs the center of attention, that's because it's designed to. That sometimes makes it difficult to use historical pieces in a computer game; they weren't meant to be repeated for the length of a 2 hour gaming session, and they were meant to be grab attention.

A lot of modern computer game music is composed much differently than traditional pieces like these. The heart of the music is an ambience and an atmosphere more than a journey from start to finish. Good in-game music should probably take this into account and assume a support role rather than a center-stage one.

One technique I've seen used is essentially a music bed without much discernable movement. It's usually loop-based and establishes a mood without pushing to hard towards a musical goal. As the game's 'intensity' increases, a second track is cross-faded in that's essentially the first track with elements... several versions of the original track are created this way and represent different 'intensities'. Events in the game cause the level to be raised or lowered, which determines which version of the track to be played. Since the track is ambient in nature as a background rather than a progressive piece of music, it's relatively easy to smoothly fade from one level to the other.

So you might be playing Track A, but suddenly a guard notices your spy and the game fades in Track D to show the immediate danger.

I am not a complete novice when it comes to music. I sing two evenings a week - barbershop accapella in a quartet and in a chorus. So I can read music - sight read it actually.

But I am nowhere near your level of expertise. Another forum member, Composer99, offered really excellent advice too.

Earlier this week, I was talking to David Heath (president of Matrix Games) about the sound and music for MWIF. We have decided to go with OGG format for both (I have no idea what that is and have to read up on it).

What David suggested (and I agreed to) is that I identify sounds and music that I want to add, assign them a filename, and specify a duration. Matrix will then come up with the sounds & music files and I will simply plug them in.

Would you be interested in reviewing them? Or otherwise participating in the development process for the music? We are months away from needing to get into this seriously. I will try to see if Composer99 is interested too. Or anyone else out there.

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Would you be interested in reviewing them? Or otherwise participating in the development process for the music? We are months away from needing to get into this seriously. I will try to see if Composer99 is interested too. Or anyone else out there.

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ORIGINAL: cerosenberg

For Russian (Soviet) music of WW2 see http://www.sovmusic.ru   It is an amazing site.  Beware of one thing;  Many of these praise Stalin.  This was official policy during the GPW but some, esp those affected by Stalin's Terror might be upset.

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ORIGINAL: cerosenberg

Dear Steve,

There is an English section: .../english/list.  I wonder about the copyrights.  Many are of original recordings, 1930's and 1940's.  I would be surprised id the copyrights are still in force.  Furthermore, the holder of the copyright was the old soviet government.  Does the copyright still exist if the owner does not?  Lastly, i am glad you enjoyed the site.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Hey, I was not joking when I proposed you to record your song about countries, and have it as one of the themes in the game .

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: cerosenberg

Dear Steve,

There is an English section: .../english/list. I wonder about the copyrights. Many are of original recordings, 1930's and 1940's. I would be surprised id the copyrights are still in force. Furthermore, the holder of the copyright was the old soviet government. Does the copyright still exist if the owner does not? Lastly, i am glad you enjoyed the site.

As I understand it, copyrights are valid for 75 years - but that may only apply to sheet music.

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ORIGINAL: cerosenberg

Mzlin,

You are in error.  Israel did not ban Wagner's music.  That would be unconstitutional in Israel.  Wagner has been played in concert in Israel.  Furthermore, Wagner is shunned because he was a virulent anti-semite and not becuse Hilter listened to it.  I hope this is the end of this discussion.  My goal was to enhance understanding not discord.