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Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/12/2007 3:27:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Folks having been reporting on their experiences playing the Coral Sea scenario. Just wanted to offer this paragraph from John Toland's "The Rising Sun":
"Takagi, aboard a heavy cruiser, signaled Rear Admiral Tadaichi Hara, commander of the two carriers: CAN YOU LAUNCH A NIGHT AIR ATTACK? Hara signaled back from Zuikaku that he was prepared to send twenty-seven planes. They took off just before dusk but found nothing. On the way back, however, they were set upon by a group of Fletcher's fighters. Nine Japanese were shot down; the others dispersed and tried to make their way home in the dark. One cluster of six eventually found a carrier and let down to join the other planes in the landing pattern. As the first Japanese skimmed the deck, landing hook extended, he was blasted over the side with a hail of gunfire. The carrier was Yorktown."

The book is a single volume piece on the entire Pacific theatre. But it's thick, and it has some great narrative descriptions of naval battles (both air and surface).

Anyway, I just thought it was good little anecdote, and appropriate.

Thanks!
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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/12/2007 5:11:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		976 pages. I have that book on my Amazon.com wish list. Good anecdote. Is that book full of good material such as that?

Thanks for sharing that, as I am working the Coral Sea scenario with fervor.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/12/2007 5:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, here's a great bit about the Japanese immediate reaction to gettin their asses kicked at Midway.

Kusaka is aboard the Nagara. A Captain Oishi, who helped plan Pearl Harbor, is in hysterics as the Kaga burns to the south. Oishi announces he wants to commit suicide, and the staff agrees with him -- the disgrace is more than they can stand.

Kusaka explodes into a rage, and yells:
"Assemble all the other idiots in the staff room."

The book continues..

(Kusaka) was carried down the passageway in his white hospital gown to confront the staff. "You men cheer when the battle is successful. When it isn't, you threaten hari-kari. You're acting like hysterical women." They faced a long war and he forbade "such nonsense."

I think it's a great quote. Kusaka apparently hunted down Nagumo to make sure he wasn't planning anything similarly stupid.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/12/2007 5:52:28 PM   
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Just wanted to offer this paragraph from John Toland's "The Rising Sun":...

The book is a single volume piece on the entire Pacific theatre. But it's thick, and it has some great narrative descriptions of naval battles (both air and surface).



It also has appeared as a two volume edition, that's the one I have.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/13/2007 2:53:56 AM   
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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/16/2007 9:55:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: themattcurtis

Folks having been reporting on their experiences playing the Coral Sea scenario. Just wanted to offer this paragraph from John Toland's "The Rising Sun":
"Takagi, aboard a heavy cruiser, signaled Rear Admiral Tadaichi Hara, commander of the two carriers: CAN YOU LAUNCH A NIGHT AIR ATTACK? Hara signaled back from Zuikaku that he was prepared to send twenty-seven planes. They took off just before dusk but found nothing. On the way back, however, they were set upon by a group of Fletcher's fighters. Nine Japanese were shot down; the others dispersed and tried to make their way home in the dark. One cluster of six eventually found a carrier and let down to join the other planes in the landing pattern. As the first Japanese skimmed the deck, landing hook extended, he was blasted over the side with a hail of gunfire. The carrier was Yorktown."

The book is a single volume piece on the entire Pacific theatre. But it's thick, and it has some great narrative descriptions of naval battles (both air and surface).

Anyway, I just thought it was good little anecdote, and appropriate.

Thanks!
Matt


Matt... I just got this book today! My wife heard me reading what you posted and she wrote down the name and got it for Fathers Day\Birthday. Same dang day this year.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/17/2007 2:33:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, congrats on the book , even though it stinks when B-days fall too close to a gift-giving holiday......

It's a great book. Doesn't cover new ground in terms of the events covered, but it does offer a different perspective on the war. The first few chapters alone gave me a better understanding of how Japan came to war with China in the first place. The Marco Polo bridge. The Control Clique versus the Imperial Way believers. How the Japanese Army officer behind the expansion into Manchuria actually envisioned a sort of utopia where all sorts of races and nationalities could live in harmony (and as a buffer to Soviet Russia).


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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/17/2007 4:08:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Read Toland's book, too. The Manchurian faction of the Japanese Army happen to be responsible for most of the attrocities in China. I guess lofty ideals and big guns don't mix.


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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/17/2007 5:40:53 PM   
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Well, congrats on the book , even though it stinks when B-days fall too close to a gift-giving holiday......

It's a great book. Doesn't cover new ground in terms of the events covered, but it does offer a different perspective on the war. The first few chapters alone gave me a better understanding of how Japan came to war with China in the first place. The Marco Polo bridge. The Control Clique versus the Imperial Way believers. How the Japanese Army officer behind the expansion into Manchuria actually envisioned a sort of utopia where all sorts of races and nationalities could live in harmony (and as a buffer to Soviet Russia).


I hated history in school. However, I have liked it more since I started playing wargames about thirteen years ago. So a lot of what I read is a "WOW, that's like in the game!"

She also got me a little book "The Pacific War Companion: From Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima." Edited by Daniel Marston. Chapter 5 "The Height Of Folly, The Battles of The Coral Sea and Midway" is exactly what the Coral Sea scenario is like in CAW. It names the ships and carriers that I am working with and against. I find that pretty cool! I previously played these type games without any history linkage, but I like it much better this way. It makes more sense.

I have wondered what got the Japanese so ticked off to hit Pearl harbor the way they did. Now it's making sense as I read Rising Sun, but I am still in the 1rst chapter. Looooong ways to go! Thanks for pushing me to get it, well, my eavesdropping wife that is.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 3:30:37 AM   
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Read Toland's book, too. The Manchurian faction of the Japanese Army happen to be responsible for most of the attrocities in China. I guess lofty ideals and big guns don't mix.




Toland is too much of an apologist for the Japanese cause for my opinion. He tends to understate Japanese atrocities and tries to argue that only a small faction of the Japanese military combined with some misunderstood orders are responsible for those atrocities, arguements that do not really ring true to history.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 5:51:13 AM   
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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 6:07:03 AM   
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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 7:28:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Think you're right, Nimits, about Toland's treatment of Japanese attrocities. Nevertheless its a good source for Japanese point of view. I believe truth cannot be reproduced in any single volume. As soon as I finished Rising Sun I move on to other books that focus on more specific subjects.

A little off topic, but I believe that history is not about truth, but versions of truth. Truth is an impossibility considering human limitations. We can't be everywhere at anytime. Our means of perception are often distorted. Having said that I don't believe in truth in history, I do believe that there are lies.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 5:06:09 PM   
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Atrocities, notwithstanding, happy birthday DUDE!!!

PoE (aka ivanmoe)


Thanks!! That's a surprise... 52 though, OUCH!

Rising Sun is done from the Japanese point of view so if it is a bit skewed (I don't know if it is as I just started the book) then it makes sense. Toland sure is telling me some weird stuff the Japanese culture did in the 1920's. Massive rebel uprising within the government, navy, and other military.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 5:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		35 looms ahead for me (3 months). And looms wouldn't even be the word I use except my boys (4 and 7) are just AMAZED to hear that a lot of my grade school teachers aren't dead

Yesterday the woman told me to go ahead and buy myself something for Father's Day, to supplement the Ohio State wallet the dudes bought me ......NOT a Buckeye, so I have their grandpa to thank for that.....and I got a copy of Carrier Clash at the local Barnes. Still grateful that I fooled someone like her into stayin' with me. She doesn't even CARE that I play around on the PC since I limit it to when she's chugging along on her elleptical. I can't make myself use that thing. Guys should stick to weights.

So far, my Pacifc War library is sorta slim.

I have a big, single volume book with a generic-ish title I can't recall off the top of my head: The Pacific War: 1941 to 1945 or (something like that). A good broad brush treatment, though.
The Burma Road
Toland's Rising Sun
Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors
Carrier Clash
Sea of Thunder

And that's it. Course, I've checked out stuff from the library, but I like OWNING books for some reason. I can re-read my stuff. I'm happier with my Russo-Japanese War books, as it's harder to track down decent treatments of that conflict.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 8:12:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your grade school teachers are my age! Now MY teachers could be dead by now. Thirty-five is a good age, things still function as they should and your joints (knees, fingers, that kind) should still be pain free and fully functional.

Never heard of an elleptical? I hope she stays on it for long periods of time if that's only when you can play games. My wife is excellent in that way. If I told you how she is with gaming I would get most of the viewers ticked off and jealous. Some days I have to hit myself to see if I am dreaming when she tells me to "play a game."

That one book you named Sea Of Thunder is also one she got me the same time. It's a hardcover too. I haven't read any of that yet or even looked inside. Have you read that one and if so is it good?

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 8:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a good study of the profiled officers. And I can't read enough about Leyte Gulf.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/18/2007 9:25:20 PM   
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Well, congrats on the book , even though it stinks when B-days fall too close to a gift-giving holiday......

It's a great book. Doesn't cover new ground in terms of the events covered, but it does offer a different perspective on the war. The first few chapters alone gave me a better understanding of how Japan came to war with China in the first place. The Marco Polo bridge. The Control Clique versus the Imperial Way believers. How the Japanese Army officer behind the expansion into Manchuria actually envisioned a sort of utopia where all sorts of races and nationalities could live in harmony (and as a buffer to Soviet Russia).




The Japanese version of utopia usually involved only those people who were willing to do exactly what the Japanese wanted them to do. Any resistance to the envisioned utopia was typically violently suppressed.

If you are looking for some other good reads on the Pacific War, particularly on the naval battles, I would suggest the History of the United States Naval Operation in the World War II series by Samuel Morison. More than half of the 14 or 15 volumes involve the Pacific War. Very thorough examinations of the primary battles, although being written in the 1940's and 1950's, some of the information in them is a little dated. I am currently reading the volume on the battles around Guadalcanal right now, including the Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz battles.

Shattered Sword is supposed to be an excellent book on Midway itself, providing a lot of new information from the Japanese side and refuting some of the earlier accounts of the battle. I have it, but have not read it yet.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 12:27:46 AM   
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It's a good study of the profiled officers. And I can't read enough about Leyte Gulf.


I just read some of it this afternoon and it is an easier read than Rising Sun. It seems really good!

Leyte Gulf: Biggest naval war in history. I didn't know that before today.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 12:29:14 AM   
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The Japanese version of utopia usually involved only those people who were willing to do exactly what the Japanese wanted them to do. Any resistance to the envisioned utopia was typically violently suppressed.

If you are looking for some other good reads on the Pacific War, particularly on the naval battles, I would suggest the History of the United States Naval Operation in the World War II series by Samuel Morison. More than half of the 14 or 15 volumes involve the Pacific War. Very thorough examinations of the primary battles, although being written in the 1940's and 1950's, some of the information in them is a little dated. I am currently reading the volume on the battles around Guadalcanal right now, including the Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz battles.

Shattered Sword is supposed to be an excellent book on Midway itself, providing a lot of new information from the Japanese side and refuting some of the earlier accounts of the battle. I have it, but have not read it yet.


I wrote these books down. Thanks! I will check on them online. It seems like I saw the series in one of my History or Armchair General magazines and they were quite expensive. Bunch of books though and hardcover.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 12:56:16 AM   
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It's a good study of the profiled officers. And I can't read enough about Leyte Gulf.


Here is another book on Leyte Gulf at Amazon.com:
*The Battle Of Leyte Gulf: The Last Fleet Action*

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 3:10:32 AM   
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Japanese Destroye Captain
Japanese Destroyer Captain

Sunburst
Sunburst

Kaigun - Strategies and Tactics
http://www.amazon.com/Kaigun-Strategy-Technology-Imperial-1887-1941/dp/0870211927/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/103-5913574-0352633?ie=UTF8&qid=1182211660&sr=1-1

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 5:08:08 PM   
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*War Plan Orange*

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 5:18:07 PM   
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The Japanese version of utopia usually involved only those people who were willing to do exactly what the Japanese wanted them to do. Any resistance to the envisioned utopia was typically violently suppressed.


Not saying I wanted to live in a 1930s Japanese "Utopia." Especially not in northern China.

I was stationed in Japan for a couple of years in the late 90s. I loved the country. And the people were friendlier than all get out (one of the funniest things I ever saw was a strike by the base civilian personnel where they all sat in neat, orderly rows in plastic chairs in front of the main gate).

But even then it was a little alarming how un-apologetic they were about what happened in China. There were articles all the time about how Japanese schools were downplaying the reasons behind the conflict, and how officials were still disputing what actually happened in Nanking. I'm not saying you should brow beat people for something their grandparents and great-grandparents did 70 years ago. But don't deny it, either.

Didn't mean to turn the thread into a sermon. Sorry.




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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 5:31:16 PM   
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Didn't mean to turn the thread into a sermon. Sorry.


You didn't, and besides, I like some sermons. You were there and information like this is interesting! Extremely. If we were in the same room I would ask you lots of questions about being in Japan.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/19/2007 8:49:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Toland's book is a great overview of the Pacific War.  I was really fascinated to read the prologue to Pearl Harbor.  I've always been quite a student of the European theater and was unaware of all the intrigue, plotting, and coups taking place in Japan throughout the 30s.  After reading that section, I could clearly see that no Westerner at that time could even begin to comprehend the Japanese mindset without experiencing it first-hand. 

My favorite section so far of Toland's book is the description of the first skip-bombing attack (Battle of the Bismarck Sea, 3.March.1943).  It must have been the most incredible sight to be in the nose of one of those Mitchells hugging the waves, pouring stream after stream of .50-cal into the transports, and, at the last second, releasing and skipping a bomb into their hulls, to feel the roar and concussion toss your plane a few seconds later.

Great action shot on Wikipedia of just such an attack:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/B-25s_in_New_Guinea.jpg
And here's another one by a Havoc: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/A20BismarckSea.jpg

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/20/2007 1:08:55 AM   
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I wrote these books down. Thanks! I will check on them online. It seems like I saw the series in one of my History or Armchair General magazines and they were quite expensive. Bunch of books though and hardcover.


The re-released the History of the United States Naval Operations series in something lie 2001-2002 in trade paperback. Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com offer them for about $10 US each. Not cheap, but less expensive than the hardcover editions. The multi-volume format allows you to pick and choose a bit as well, depending on your interest:

Volume 1 - Battle of the Atlantic (Sept 1939 to May 1943)
Volume 2 - Operations in North African Waters (October 1942 - June 1943)
Volume 3 - Rising Sun in the Pacific (1931 to April 1942, including Pearl Harbor and the initial invasions)
Volume 4 - Coral Sea and Midway (plus Aleutians and Sub actions through early 1943)
Volume 5 - Struggle for Guadalcanal (Aug 1942 - Feb 1943) **Battles of Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz
Volume 6 - Breaking the Bismarks (July 1942 - May 1944 - Solomons and New Guinea)
Volume 7 - Aleutians, Gilberts and the Marshalls (June 1942 - April 1944)
Volume 8 - New Guinea and the Marianas (March 1944 to August 1944)
Volume 9 - Siciliy, Solerno, Anzio (Jan 1943 - June 1944)
Volume 10 - Battle of the Atlantic (May 1943 - May 1945)
Volume 11 - D-Day + the Continental war in Europe 1944-1945
Volume 12 - Leyte Gulf (June 1944 - Jan 1945) **Battle of Leyte Gulf is in this volume
Volume 13 - Liberation of the Philippines (Luzon, Mindanao, etc. 1944-1945)
Volume 14 - Victory in the Pacific (Iwo Jima and Okinawa)
Volume 15 - Supplements


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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/20/2007 3:24:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Be very careful of Toland. I met the man and was at a talk that was sponsored by some vets. He claimed to be the only person qualified to write about the japanese side of things because of all the info he was given at the end of WW2. He was stationed in Japan as an army historian or some such thing. I asked him during the question and answer period, how come so many new writers come up with completely different views ( Hirohito's involvement etc. ) after having read the same sources as he did. He shrugged and asked for any other questions.

I believe he was either fed the "official" japanese line or was told to accept it as fact. I for one always believed that Hirohito was neck deep in the war. I also believe that the histories that I have read over the last 20+ years haved proved it. I also believe ardently if we had not asked for unconditional surrender( what nation in their right mind would ever except that until absolutely necessary) and gave assurances that the emperor would remain.That the war would have ended much sooner.

He's still a good read I just don't know how much needs to be reevaluted after alsmost 40 years since it was printed.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/20/2007 6:01:30 AM   
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Be very careful of Toland. I met the man and was at a talk that was sponsored by some vets. He claimed to be the only person qualified to write about the japanese side of things because of all the info he was given at the end of WW2. He was stationed in Japan as an army historian or some such thing. I asked him during the question and answer period, how come so many new writers come up with completely different views ( Hirohito's involvement etc. ) after having read the same sources as he did. He shrugged and asked for any other questions.

I believe he was either fed the "official" japanese line or was told to accept it as fact. I for one always believed that Hirohito was neck deep in the war. I also believe that the histories that I have read over the last 20+ years haved proved it. I also believe ardently if we had not asked for unconditional surrender( what nation in their right mind would ever except that until absolutely necessary) and gave assurances that the emperor would remain.That the war would have ended much sooner.

He's still a good read I just don't know how much needs to be reevaluted after alsmost 40 years since it was printed.


It does seem strange to me the amount of detail he has in each circumstance. Like he was actually standing there watching and taking notes. How does one get such information at such a large volume? He even goes into detail on how individuals felt emotionally that were soon murdered, like how does he know? Your outlook makes sense to me. Treating your question like that is quite suspicious.

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RE: Why you don't launch at dusk - 6/20/2007 6:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion, any history book should be treated as the author's opinion of what happened, and not fact.  There is always interpretation made when someone writes about events they did not personally witness, or even for that matter, events that they did witness (from a single point of view).  As the reader, you need to internally evaulate what you read and figure out how much faith you want to put in it. 

Many history books are not started as a dry recitation of facts or at an attempt to provide all possible interpretations of the events.  Instead, they start with the author's theory about how things "really" happened, and the author tries to show how the available facts support his case. 


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