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What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 4:32:05 PM   
marcntx

 

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Status: offline 		I recently tried to run Maximum Football and it wouldn't work. No problem, was going to re-install and start over. One problem, I can't remember what the "first" setup file was called. I have setup release v1095DR, but that won't work. After the game installs and I try to run the game, it gives me an Automation Error Specified Module could not be found and Database error. Anyone know what file I need, and if I deleted it, how I get a new one, to re-install? I really wish the patches were all encompassing, since I have about 10 files now, and I'm not sure which ones I need anymore.
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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 4:36:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		MaximumFootball-SetupRelease-v1080DR.exe

Thats the original purchased download I have, the base game.

MaximumFootball-UpdateRelease-v13176Comp.exe is the most recent update, and so far its very stable

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 4:45:21 PM   
garysorrell


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Status: offline 		v13176Comp is all you need to update. A fresh install of the base game,
then MaximumFootball-UpdateRelease-v13176Comp.exe

I dont think any of Davids updates required any previous updates. There was one release of an incremental update for the 1.3.176, but it was in error. David so far releases patches that dont require any previous ones.

If you dont have the actual game download anymore, you can get it by going to the Matrix store. You need your order information.

I burned my original game to a CD, and also keep a hard copy of the most recent updates.
I paid good money for it, not gonna lose out because of hard drive failure or any other reason.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 4:56:34 PM   
marcntx

 

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Status: offline 		Gary, thanks for your help.  I look forward to getting the game up and running again.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 5:18:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I've downloaded the original file and installed it, with and without the patch and I'm getting the same error message and the game won't run.  I'm not sure what to do at this point....

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 6:00:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats weird. What windows are you running, and when the original game installs, did you allow it to install the directx componensts and stuff, thats usually the last thing it does.


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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/28/2007 9:32:04 PM   
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quote:

Well, I've downloaded the original file and installed it, with and without the patch and I'm getting the same error message and the game won't run.  I'm not sure what to do at this point....


What is your OS?

Which graphics card do you have?

Did you uninstall all of the old files and the Maximum-Football folder prior to re-installing?

Did you install all three components: game, .dll files, DirectX?

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 5/29/2007 1:33:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm running the same setup as I was before.  Nothing has changed on my computer.  It ran fine until one day I started getting the error.  I thought I would just re-install and everything would be fine.  I'm running Windows XP home SP2, with an ATI graphics card with 256 of RAM, and I deleted all files in the old MF directory prior to re-installing.  And I installed game, .dll and direct x.  When it gets done installing, it says it was installed fine.  I can get the main menu, when I chose PLAY, that's where I get the error.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 6/30/2007 4:03:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm so defeated.  I've installed and re-installed the game about 20 times now, re-downloaded it, ran regedit to remove all references to MF, and it still won't run.  Sent Matrix and email, never heard back.  Time to move on to second and ten..... 

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 12:13:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		By the way, it's so nice that Matrix never responded to my emails about the problem either.  I won't buy another Matrix Game for as long as I live...

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 1:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, matrix hasn't sent me any emails asking for assistance with the problem (which is something they sometimes do), so I'm not sure what is going on form their end.

Is there any chance that you installed something else (knowingly or otherwise) inbetween the day the game worked, and the day it didn't?

The only thing I can think of is that something installed a different version of a shared system file and it's causing this problem. Although, I don't even know the exact error message.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 1:42:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for responding, I really appreciate it.  I've uninstalled the game, ran regedit to remove all references to Maximum Football, Wintervalley, and whatever else I thought might be stuck in there.  After I install the game and try to run it, the game menu come up as usual.  When I hit play or Utility Set I get an error that says:

DB Engine Automation Error The Specified Module Could not be found.  There is an OK button and when I hit it another error message opens and says Maximum-Football (red X symbol) Couldn't Open Database.  FYI:  All the other buttons seem to work on the Game Menu.  I downloaded the original file from the webstore called MaximumFootball-SetupRelease-v1095DR just to make sure it wasn't the file I had.  I even tried installing different patches over this file, but got the same error messages.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 2:00:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a screenshot of the first error message




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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 2:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the second one.




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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 4:14:28 AM   
David Winter

 

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Status: offline 		Maximum-Football uses the JET database engine. DAO 2.5/3.15 specifically. It's an older version of the library, but I chose it because it's a very small memory footprint, and Windows XP machines have it installed already.

Some possible things to check into....

The problems looks to be that common system DLL's for accessing databases have been changed by some other process. I'm not sure what would cause that. Perhaps something you've installed or uninstalled.

Are you using Open Office or any program like that?

Can you also check to see if there is a file called SCRRUN.DLL in your Windows\System32 folder. That's a common windows file so it should be there, but check just to make sure. This is a library used to create and manage files and folders and the game uses it for several purposes.

Do you have administrative rights to the system? Some user accounts with Windows XP do not allow writing data to the system registery, and this could prevent the DLL from working.

One possible way to test all of this is to check the scheduleeditor.exe file. This is the little application that was installed (by version 1.3) to allow you to edit schedules in league files. If that starts and allows you to open databases and allows you to edit schedules, then your database system files would seem to be intact.

David

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 4:22:55 AM   
David Winter

 

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Status: offline 		If you care to try, the link below is the download side for the microsoft database files the game makes use of.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=83e8f178-94c9-4e7d-b0b6-a8a94c4eb912&DisplayLang=en

I can not say for sure if this will work, but it's worth a try, especially if the scheduleeditor.exe fails to load any league files.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 9:05:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey marcntx,
What is the size of your v1095DR file? The original base game should be upwards of 157megs.
Just curious. The original version I downloaded was MaximumFootball-SetupRelease-v1080DR.exe


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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 3:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried all your suggestions, even uninstalling programs that I have installed after MF, with the same errors. When I run the Schedule Editor, I get this error:




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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 3:34:19 PM   
marcntx

 

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Status: offline 		Gary, the version I have is 148 MB.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 3:36:26 PM   
marcntx

 

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Status: offline 		David, when I try to install the program on the link, it tells me it's already installed under Windows XP.  I was hoping I could re-install it, but it won't let me because it says it's already there.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 5:52:01 PM   
David Winter

 

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Status: offline 		Well that's okay if it's already there. Sometimes when you uninstall other applications, they tend to uninstall shared components. So that was just something to check.

Does the schedulededitor.exe work?

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 6:13:51 PM   
marcntx

 

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Status: offline 		The schedule editor runs, but when I try to open a league database, it gives the the OPEN ERROR noted above.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/1/2007 6:47:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mmm..well I'm afraid with that happening that tells me that something has happened to your system files. The schedule editor is a very generic database editor. That little application does not make use of any of the custom components of Maximum-Football. It simply makes direct calls to the Microsoft JET database engine and loads a list.

Again, the only thing I can think of that would cause the game to work one day and not the next, would be that something else was installed or uninstalled between those two days.

Did you install OpenOffice? I ask because I'm curious to know if that's making a mess of the microsoft files.

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 1:00:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I've officially given up. Re-installed Microsoft Office thinking that might fix the problem. Now I get this error when installing and I still get the DB error messages:




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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 3:28:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		marcntx, I'm very sorry, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the game here. If you say that you're getting this error after re-installing open office then I am thinking more and more that open office made this problem in the first place, the first time you installed it.

Perhaps contact the people that make open office and ask them how to revert your system files back to the way they were before the did whatever it is they did to them.

For me, the clincher is the schedule editor. That editor is making pure calls to the microsoft JET database engine. There is honestly nothing special there. I'll be happy to make the source code for the schedule editor available to anyone so they can see that this is indeed the case. So if that's failing, then I can only surmise that those files have become corrupted some how, and I suspect open office is the culprit there.

I have a test machine here that I'll try to install open office on and see if I get similar results. That doesn't mean I'll have a solution to fixing the problem without wiping the hard drive and starting again, but at least it will be known who to look to for possible answers.

David

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 3:41:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I use Open Office, and have had zero problems. Ive also used Microsoft office Small business, and Microsoft office 2007. At different times and all at once. And all on MaxFB mdb files. No problems here.


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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 4:01:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Somone I was helping had a somewhat similar error message
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279223

I couldn't fix it and had to reinstall his Windows and then upgrade to service pack 2


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http://www.thornbird.net/downloads/maximum-football/maximum-football-downloads.htm

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 4:04:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi.

I'm aware that some seem to be able to use both at the same time. As this customer mentioned 'reinstalling' that tells me that he's obviously uninstalled open office at some point. It's a guess at the moment, but I suspect uninstalling that tool set is uninstalling critical components. Although I have no idea what version of Open office was installed in the first place on that machine.

I'm currently testing this theory with OO2.2

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 4:12:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tbird

Somone I was helping had a somewhat similar error message
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279223

I couldn't fix it and had to reinstall his Windows and then upgrade to service pack 2




Hi.

Yes, this is what I suspect has happened. While this knowledge base article is specific to Office 2000, Maximum-Football uses several of the same common components. The article makes reference to "mismatched Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) files or a damaged MDAC installation.", which is exactly what I'm thinking has happened here.

I have installed and uninstalled Open Office 2.2 a couple of times here and have not had any problem with the game after installation or uninstallation. That said, again, I have no idea what version the customer originally installed or if there were any problems with that version.

Even if Open Office turns out to be a red herring and there's nothing wrong with that package, the end result is the same, something has mangled the data access components on this machine. As the game was working one day, and not the next, as reported by the customer, I don't think Maximum-Football is the culprit for doing the mangling. Besides, if that were the case, it would be an extremely heavily reported problem.

The link provided in that Knowledge base may help (as it claims to be the solution), but I can't be sure of that.

David

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RE: What is the First Version of Maximum Football? - 7/2/2007 8:34:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		David, I don't have Open Office, I have Microsoft Office 2003.  Anyway, I'll keep trying.  It seems that all my programs other than MF work fine. 

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