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1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/9/2007 6:44:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have two very tough opponents this round.
Avatar47 playing the Axis and
Forwarn45 playing Allies.

I am shooting for marginal victories in both but will be happy with draws.

Anyway this game started pretty normal with the whole Poland, Denmark thing on turn 1 (I did not replay turn 1 until getting trade with Turkey like some do...sarcasm intended)

Took LC in Winter, then suffered a counter attack in LC by Forwarn who nailed all my artillary.
Thus the attack into West France was without Artillary which gave me a few more casualties than would be normal.
Did I mention losing both HBs on one Bomb run into Scotland on turn 2 I think it was? Dam bombard evasion 1. Ouch that hurts.

But now it is Summer 40 and things just got very interesting.
Spain with a %1 chance to join the Axis has decided to do so!
I sure was not expecting that.
We welcomed them in with open arms and imiediately set about grabbing Gibralter. I lost 2 mil in the attack but another was promoted to infantry making up for it.
Much Brittish navy is tied up in the Med now, including the carrier. Oh how I wish I had placed my CAG in W France last turn (I remember considering it) as that would have made a wonderful op to hit the carrier via Spain this turn.

Japan is doing all the usual airieal practice thing with so so results.
Not much else to report but happy to have Spain on my side.

One other thing of note.
Soviets are stealing teck like mad even though I have security cranked higher than I ever have before. Must just be some bad rolls from the Gestopo.

-MrQuiet




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/9/2007 11:58:58 PM   
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Have you ever noticed the video when Spain joins the war, the troops shown are from the Republican side not the Nationalist one, why do I say this, if you take a close look you will see that the soldiers have their left arm raised with clenched fists, instead of the fascist salute, also the flag in the submarine is the Republican one even with black and white you can see its the red yellow purple flag of the Republic and not the Nationalist one.

Just a curiosity

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/14/2007 5:35:12 AM   
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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/20/2007 4:39:00 AM   
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Barb has officialy kicked off!
No sense waiting around for SU to get stronger so we push a attack on Mother Russia knowing full well this 2 front war will be the Death of Germanys Glory days.

On the suprise battle we do pretty well in East Poland taking only damage to a Romainian Fighter group.






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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/20/2007 4:41:23 AM   
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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/20/2007 4:44:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is how the East Front looked near the end of the season.
Its a pretty good start but something tells me it will not be enough to hold the likes of Forwarn45 back long enough to get a decisive win.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/26/2007 5:36:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may be a little sporadic with updates - but here goes. In Spring of '41, the Soviets had some nice counterattacks against German forces in Kiev and Grozny, and Kiev was temporarily recaptured. This prompted a nasty counterattack by Germans that retook the area and inflicted heavy losses against the Red Army.

My own summer turn is fairly quiet, as I consolidate my forces for defense. Here is a screenie showing forces near the start of my turn. I thought it was a good time to show it as intelligence revealed German builds. Note that the SU and WAllies subsequently built up their forces a bit during their production phase - so I am a bit stronger as of the end of my turn. I will probably take more screenies to show the current situation when Fall comes around.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/29/2007 2:43:41 AM   
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Well, allies have established a lend lease route in the north that saw 30 fresh supplies dropped on RU soil. RU is sitting pretty with about 80 supplies, that cant be good. We did make WA pay a price of 2 transports destroyed.

The biggest attack this season was in the Hotley contested Karkov. I was pretty sure I would not be able to take it due to being outnumbered in both units and arty but I was hoping to hurt a lot of the still weak RU infantry. The results were not the best but it could have turned out much worse. All of the auto hits were achieved by the enemy, looking foward to my turn to get autohits. I lost more arty than I wanted to but at least we cut down the stack of RU infantry. I cant complain about my expierence rolls though much of my armor went Elite in that battle!

Greece is still in a ballanced state of neutrality, I am a bit surprise and expecet them to turn on me soon.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/29/2007 6:28:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another turn of few battles on the Allied side. Stalin orders more fodder -- er -- solidiers to reinforce the front. Here's the position sometime during the Soviet Turn.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 7/29/2007 6:29:04 AM   
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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/3/2007 5:02:44 AM   
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Germans dig in for Russian winter.
More of my bombers are shot down, this time by Heavy Fleet flak.
The subs make there debut this war and come out to play a little.
Lend lease transport sunk off N Rus.

More building, researching resupplying.

Japan just sits back reading the newspaper.

Check out what my spys found in the Screen Shot.
Looks a little extreme.
Do others play the spy game this hard??






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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 6:58:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those spies MrQ mentioned are busy this turn (but no screenshot). Otherwise, it's pretty quiet. A glorious air offensive by the Reds fails to achieve much. And there is little hope for a real offensive as MrQ has redeployed much of the German army to Belorussia.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 7:00:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Brits bide their time - but they do strike back against the uboats and shuttle more supplies to the Soviets.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 3:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just got done watching the playback and wanted to post the screwing I just took on another naval bug.

The rules say this:

8.3.1 COMBAT PHASES
Combat is divided into Phases to govern the firing of each unit. The combat phases are listed
below in the order that they occur:
Air vs. Air
Ground (or ships) vs. Air
Air vs. Ground (or ships and subs, and includes airfield, port and infrastructure attacks)
Ship vs. Ship
Sub vs. Ship
Ship vs. Sub
But I have noticed many times ships doing asw before the sub gets to fire at the ship.
In the following screenshots notice the ships fired first and the sub had to fire with supression penalty and damge/destroyed penalty.

The first screenshot show LF 66, 100, 55 fireing before ASW.
Sub 11 should have fired first and I would have damaged LF66 thus making the subs evasion 9(already fired at by a cag in previous battle) due to LF66 being damaged.








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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 3:31:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Had the sub fired first this would be a hit because LF66 would have evasion 12 and firer would not be as surpressed (had suppresson 1 from cag attack in prev battle)




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 7:31:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I wouldn't say you got screwed - you had great luck during my turn and the shot against the light fleet would have just been more good luck for you (as the subs don't usually fire against ships and a hit was less than probable anyway)!

But your point is well taken - I have never noticed this before! I haven't tested it, but I think it works as intended when subs initiate the combat - the problems is when the opposing side goes sub-hunting. I emailed wanderinghead and 2x3 so they can take a look before the next patch.

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/4/2007 9:35:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without looking into this further, I think it's working as desired. I can't recall all the rules without looking back, but I seem to recall there were instances where the subs get first shot and others where they don't. I could be wrong though since it's been awhile since I've worked on this.

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/5/2007 1:34:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can find nothing in the manual that says the combat phase order is changed if subs are on the defense.
It certainly is not game breaking but it does make patroling subs much weaker if they have to suffer damage and suppresion before they fire.


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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/5/2007 4:35:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is an interesting point about the rules. At the beginning of the War the U-Boats were quite succesfull and hard to be tracked down by ships (not planes as needing to travel on surface a lot) unless they would made their presence known by attacking first. Now in 1943 it changes with new improved technologies in radar , sonar and new weapons like the Hedgehogs (front firing grenade launcher) and acoustic torpedoes. UBoat losses per year: 1940: 24, 1941:35, 1942: 86, 1943: 242, 1944: 250, 1945 (5 months): 120

If rules are revised might be best to consider subs vs ships first till 1943 when it becomes ships vs subs first. Or make a variable event like 75% chance from Winter 1943 onwards.

Now the problem is that it would work for both side unless attack phases are different by nation

When "drived deep" would a sub still fire if being attacked again during the same round? If not then keeping subs vs ship first at all time would be more accurate I think. You would just need a plane to drive the subs deep and then making him vulnerable to further attacks without giving him a chance to fire back.

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/5/2007 4:42:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow I just had a bit of a hair pulling expierence. (not directly AWD related)

After litterly spending a couple hours on my turn and being at the very end of Japans turn I went into paint and tried to save a screenshot. My mouse froze up and would not move for anything. I fumbled around in task manager and finaly got paint to close, got AWD to come up, pressed S to try and save the turn but with no mouse I could not get past that point.

Took a breather to cool down and think the problem through.
Went back into the game pressed E for end turn then Y to confirm and here I am at the save screen again with no mouse.

Then I finally notice this fancy new cordless laser mouse battery has extinquished itself and I need to swap it out.
DOH!
problem happily solved.
(before you ask, yes it has software to warn you when battery low but I uninstalled it yesterday because I have been having irritating problem with mouse freeze for 10-30 secs every couple mins, very random and on some days it is fine)

Ok now that that saga has been relayed its on to the AAR.

Axis Spring42

Not a lot to report.
Forwarn is a very tough opponent and we are mostly just Jockeying for position on the East Front. Time is ticking but Allies get stronger with every turn.

The ss I was trying to get when mouse died showed the insane allied steals in tec.
The ones against Germany I can understand he did invest heavily in Spies, but I do feel Japan should start with Higher security for 2 reasons.
1) They cant afford to spend precious supply on security.
2) I think the US would have a very difficult time getting someone on the 'inside' of Impeiral Japan

Just my 2 cents






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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/5/2007 5:41:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrQuiet

The ss I was trying to get when mouse died showed the insane allied steals in tec.
The ones against Germany I can understand he did invest heavily in Spies, but I do feel Japan should start with Higher security for 2 reasons.
1) They cant afford to spend precious supply on security.
2) I think the US would have a very difficult time getting someone on the 'inside' of Impeiral Japan

Just my 2 cents



I don't think spies did play so much of a role during WW2 at stealing technologies. Jets were developped by each side on their own but maybe Japan getting Me-262 plans via UBoats. Radar tech was not stolen by Germany from British source but developped on their own as well. Not speaking about Tank technology that Germany developped from seeing Russian T-34 and Kv-1 in action and having plenty of captured one to develop the Panther while the Tiger was more a German typical idea. Same as the Panzerfaust/Panzerschreck developed from the Bazooka after first contacts in North Africa and not stolen from US research facilities. The whole concept of calling this spying is historically wrong. So I decided to look at this more as research/production effort against specific countries to fill a gap in technology by information received from battlefield contact/captured material/reports/... or whatever.

The huge capacity of the US to invest in research because not most of the population in age of fighting was on the frontline can be well represented by this "spying" concept. Not to forget that at the end of the War the US were not that far behind in technology compare to Germany and even in advance in some areas. Germany had an impressive list of wonder weapons from jets to rockets to electric UBoat but they did so much research because loosing the war and trying to find ways to change that while at the beginning of the War they didn't do much research at all. Not to forget the Stuka was still the main TAC bomber till 1942 and even after, tanks in 1941 were far inferior than Russian model and only because the US went for quantity compare to quality that the Sherman was never replaced but slowly at the end of the war. Would the Allies have seen a need to invest in technology they could have done so as well but by 1944 they were winning so the need was not so great anymore.

Not speaking of Japan whose technology was a lot behind to anyone but maybe in planes quality by the end of the war.

Even against France in 1940 Germany technological advance was not further than the French or the British. German tanks were for most but a few Panzer IV no match against the British Matilda or the French B1-Bis or Somua. The Me-109 was a bit better than the British Hurricane and most of the French model but the Dewoitine 520. What did changed it all was tactics with German Tanks spearheads while France was still using tanks to support infantry like in 14-18. German Luftwaffe was in close support to the ground troops while French air force was not.

This is the historical results of the air campaing against France, you can't consider the German losses very light but they were able to replace most of it because of the pilot training program. "The Luftwaffe virtually destroyed the Armée de l'Air during the campaign and inflicted heavy losses to the RAF contingent that was deployed. It is estimated the French lost 1,274 aircraft destroyed during the campaign, the British suffered losses of 959 (477 fighters). The battle for France had cost the Luftwaffe 28% of its front line strength, some 1,428 aircraft destroyed. A further 488 were damaged, making a total of 36% of the Luftwaffe strength negatively effected"

Not to mention the human side problem as you might produce jets but you still need trained pilots which were very scarce supply in 1944/1945 for Germany and Japan.

Only slowly picking up this new Blitzkrieg concept that the Russian armies and the Allied did manage to gain advantage then of course quantity of material and man did the rest.

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/7/2007 5:07:03 AM   
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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/13/2007 6:55:00 PM   
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Ouch!
You can see from Forwarns screenshot where my Infantry unit suffered another dam Auto hit, this time from his armor unit so its a autohit with major results, ie destroyed infantry. One of these days they will work for me not against me.

But not this turn, I had a fighter unit destroyed because of auto hit. I sent in 6 fighter vs his 3 and he got the auto hits.

Ok, the only real news from the Germans is the aquisition of Greece.
I used a lot of Mil and arty and HFs hoping to get my milita to upgrade, but the exp bonus Gods were not smiling.

Some Russian factorys were bombed from above with ok results.
Huge pile of troops building up on East Front in the Belorussia area. 35-40 units on each side.
Subs went out and hit transports driving up US WR which will get them to 3x that much faster.

I have saved the game at this point, need to take a break (glad I dont have to work today) before the Japs make there fatel decision to take on the sleeping Giant this season.

Next post will show the insane Allied spy issue that my 25 German (was 26, seem to lose one every turn) security can not overcome, and Japan surely can not compete in.






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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/13/2007 6:58:17 PM   
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Next SS will be from what I hope will be an overwhelming Jappanese attack on the Free World

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/14/2007 5:38:33 AM   
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The Japanese Government plans and executes a darring and expesive surprise declaration of war against the countrys of the free world.

6 Imperial Carriers float there way over to Los Angeles and Launch a major offensive against any allied ships anchored in port. Out of six CAGs I expected to lose 3 and hoped my elite unit would survive.

Alas I should realize I can not overcome autohits
I lost 3 to airpower as expected but another managed to fly right into the guns of a Heavy Fleet which rolled 51 with the doubled auto hit factored in. Bombard evasion of 1 was the icing on the flak cake.
Elite unit also did not survive sadly, and is being repaired in Tokyo as we speak. Hopefully it returns as a vet.

The DEI was also attacked heavily but the lone mil stationed in the Philopeens rolled incredible dice even though it was surpressed by a tac air a HF and a LF. My infantry was damaged and aborted the mission although they did manage to destroy the mil. With no more available landing craft, the Philopeens will have to wait until next season.

I believe 12 allied transports were damaged or destroyed in the Pacific.
There are a lot of long years ahead in this war, can Japan hang in there???






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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/16/2007 4:51:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		First a quick follow-up to MrQ's attack on the fleet at San Diego. I thought he did quite well and would not have been disappointed had I been the attacker. As you can see from MrQ's screenshot, the ports are protected by 2 AA and allied losses weren't expected to be too much more than for Japan. None of the AA resulted in a dreaded "1" bombard evasion for the defending CAG. And even with suppression/damage from airfire and flak, the Japanese still inflicted a heavy blow against the fleet.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/16/2007 4:57:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for the Allied turn, it is amazingly quiet. The Soviets and the West are generally content to harass the Axis from the skies while reinforcing the variuos fronts. Here, the Red Airforce engages the Luftwaffe.




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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/16/2007 1:59:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrQuiet

Next post will show the insane Allied spy issue that my 25 German (was 26, seem to lose one every turn) security can not overcome, and Japan surely can not compete in.

Spying seems to be prone to overuse/misuse doesn't it?

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/17/2007 1:26:08 AM   
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As you can see from MrQ's screenshot, the ports are protected by 2 AA and allied losses weren't expected to be too much more than for Japan.


I just want to point out that those expected losses in the screenshot was for a general attack not for a 'port' attack.
I could not get a screenshot with any combatants in it when I held the cursor over port attack. I dont remember what the expected defender losses were but I was Just hoping to kill the carriers. Any more was bonus and I really didnt want to lose that many cags, (was hoping the whole game you would not build fighters in SW USA)

So I was not dissapointed with the attack, just a little sad with the cost (4cags = 8pps) which is 50% of Japans current production.

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RE: 1 vs 1 Round3 MrQuiet vs Forwarn45 - 8/26/2007 8:24:15 PM   
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Mostly just shifiting of forces here and there for Germany.
Japan has landed on Autstrailia just to say we can.
Unsure if they will persue further inland since the capitlal is prettly well defended and supplied.

Cristian Brown has been curious about sub warfare so I post the following screen shot of my veteren subs out on a HF hunting mission




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