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empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 8:25:43 PM   
dethbass


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I'm playing scen 15 as JP. It is Jan 31th 1942 and I just realized that CVE Hosho is sitting empty in Osaka. I never used it directly since the beginning (it was on auto-convoy escort before). Is this normal? Where are the planes that go on it? Are they coming just later as reinforcements? Or do I have to put Carrier-Capable units on it?

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/Bass
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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 8:35:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hosho does not have an intrinsic airgroup. The best use for her is as a high-value convoy escort. Load some carrier-capable fighters (A6M2s perferably) and included her with a convoy that may be subjected to air attack.

You could also load a small Kate and small Zero unit (Chutais) and use her to raid convoys that may be transitting between Australia and India. I would not use her to raid US-Australia convoys... too many allied air bases around. Just be careful, her speed will not allow her to run from trouble.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 8:37:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Erm, in stock WitP, Hosho is born with 6 Claudes and 5 Kates. I'm not sure what happened here...

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 9:31:30 PM   
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I must have been thinking of another CVE.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 9:34:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, every other IJN CVE. Hosho is the only one with an integral air group.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/19/2007 9:51:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		She can make 25 kts, which is the same speed as Junyo/Hiyo. No reason not to pair them together, and add those A/C to the mix, because she won't slow the group down.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 2:40:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the real world, the hosho was stripped of her airgroup after Midway and turned into a training carrier.  This is a major reason she survived the war.  The game may disolve Hosho's airgroup at some point.  I'm not sure.  I know the game resizes carrier airgroups at various points in the game.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 3:34:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know Allied airgroups gt resized.  Does the same happen to any of the Japanese carrier air groups ?  If so, any idea of when

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 4:31:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		At least some of the IJN CV airgroups resize. I don't remember exactly when but I think it is during the 1943 upgrades.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 7:35:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oops my bad! I checked again and it's not the Hosho that's empty (it's as Terminus says above, Claudes & Kates), but the Taiyo. Anyways, I still have the same question as above.

Thx,
/Bass

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 8:50:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dethbass

Oops my bad! I checked again and it's not the Hosho that's empty (it's as Terminus says above, Claudes & Kates), but the Taiyo. Anyways, I still have the same question as above.

Thx,
/Bass



Nothing comes with it and neither will a Taiyo specific air group be made for it. You will have to decide what carrier capable units to place on it, from which you have available.

< Message edited by Iridium -- 7/20/2007 8:51:14 AM >

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 2:54:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		None of the IJN CVEs comes with a/c. You will just have to scrounge something up the best you can.

On the plus side, it makes the air group extremely flexible! You can swap types in and out at will and as needed.

Just don't expect to use any of them in the front line; they will die.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 3:10:14 PM   
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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 4:54:42 PM   
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None of the IJN CVEs comes with a/c. You will just have to scrounge something up the best you can.

On the plus side, it makes the air group extremely flexible! You can swap types in and out at will and as needed.

Just don't expect to use any of them in the front line; they will die.


Yup. Your best bet is probably to emulate what the Japs did with them in real life: as aircraft ferries and convoy ASW escorts.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 10:18:22 PM   
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None of the IJN CVEs comes with a/c


Except Hosho as Terminus pointed out.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 10:20:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

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None of the IJN CVEs comes with a/c


Except Hosho as Terminus pointed out.

Chez

Right, and she's a CVL

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/20/2007 10:29:13 PM   
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Right, and she's a CVL


IRL but not in WitP so we're both right!

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 1:12:47 AM   
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I know Allied airgroups gt resized.  Does the same happen to any of the Japanese carrier air groups ?  If so, any idea of when



The Japanese decided that the kate was too vulnerable to AA fire and upped the numbers of vals and reduced the number of kates on some of their fleet carriers.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 1:21:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yakface

I know Allied airgroups gt resized. Does the same happen to any of the Japanese carrier air groups ? If so, any idea of when



It supposedly changes on 7/1/42.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 2:18:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like to put some of the usless 9 plane A6M Zero groups onboard never know when you can use the extra air cover in an invasion convoy

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 2:37:19 AM   
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Right, and she's a CVL


IRL but not in WitP so we're both right!

Chez

I suppose that depends on whether you play stock or a mod. In my TFs (in CHS) she's a CVL.

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I like to put some of the usless 9 plane A6M Zero groups onboard never know when you can use the extra air cover in an invasion convoy


Good God, man, the words "useless" and "A6M" do not belong in the same sentence!

Well, unless of course the sentence is something like, "The 9 A6Ms destroyed the enemy CAP comprised of 18 useless Wirraways."

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 2:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of Wirraways, this paragraph from The Barrier and the Javelin cracks me up every time I read it:

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The war in the Pacific had begun with the RAAF deploying a meagre 177 Aircraft in Australia, New Guinea, and the Indies. Of these, nine were Seagull flying boats (better known as Walruses) used for patrolling and air-sea rescue; twelve were Catalinas; fifty-three were Hudson light reconnaissance bombers and the remainder were Wirraways, used for training, liaison and observation duties. Given the imbalance between types of aircraft and flying boats, most of which were of extremely dubious fighting value, and given the presence of some 101 observation aircraft out of a total of 177 planes, one can only conclude that the Australians must have believed they needed an extraordinary number of reconnaissance and observation aircraft to report the massacre of the others and the unimpeded advance of the enemy.




Admittedly, my sense of humor is not normal.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 6:52:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		One last question. How do I transfer any aircraft to the Taiyo then? If I go to the Aircraft squadron menu and I choose "Transfer to ship" for the squadron, the Taiyo is never shown as a possible target ship. I tried with carrier-capable squadrons, but it does not work. Actually the only squadrons that has any valid destination are the 2 squadrons off Hosho (carrier-trained). How do I transfer land-based carrier capable aircraft to Taiyo???

(Can you tell I'm new to this )
Thx again,
/Bass

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 6:53:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Assign Taiyo to an Air TF then transfer the aircraft. She can not be disbanded inport.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 6:55:13 AM   
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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 7:06:22 AM   
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I think that he means that if Taiyo is disbanded in port, you cannot transfer aircraft onto her.



Yupper, guess I wasn't quite clear on that.

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 8:02:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I've put the Taiyo in an ACTF by herself at tokyo and I tried to transfer planes from the AF there, but still I do not see the Taiyo as a valid target for the AC. I Noticed that the AC on all my CV are indepedent, while the Land-Based carrier-capable AC are attached to the Home defense force, does that matter?

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 8:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chez, you've got to answer this one... I've never looked at the Japanese side, but I do believe that the Home Defense Force is a restricted command, so it's squadrons cannot be placed aboard any ship. Is this the case?

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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 8:10:46 AM   
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RE: empty CVE Hosho - 7/21/2007 8:16:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		aha! That was it. I changed its command to 4th fleet and boom I could transfer to Taiyo! Cool thanks for the tips

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