Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Just been reading through the naval descriptions and looking at the specs for example max armour thickness some seem to be in metric some imperial and some have both.

To me a trivial thing however others may not think such. Is it a question of what data is avialable, for example I would expect all CW naval descs to be in imperial measures and the rest of the european navies to be metric? what about the US?

Apols if this has been discussed before I did a search for metric and imperial and nothing cropped up

I have standardized on US punctuation for numbers: 12,000 men, 16.2 thickness. But for the metric, I have strongly advised to go with the owning country/country where manufactured, which will make the write ups inconsistent across all unit writeups.

I was unfamiliar with the use of the adjective Imperial for measuring systems. Instead I am use to English versus Metric.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

What a mess.

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ORIGINAL: po8crg

Mostly, the units are the same, feet, inches, yards and miles are the same in Britain as in the USA; pounds and ounces are the same, but our ton is 2,240 lb, to your 2,000 lb. Of course, the tons ships are measured in are completely different anyway - they're 100 cu. ft. Gross Tonnage is the relevant measure for military ships.

All of the measures of fluid volume, from fluid ounce to pint to gallon are completely different between the two systems.

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Displacement is the actual total weight of the vessel. It is often expressed in long tons or in metric tons, and is calculated simply by multiplying the volume of the hull below the waterline (ie. the volume of water it is displacing) by the density of the water. (Note that the density will depend on whether the vessel is in fresh or salt water, or is in the tropics, where water is warmer and hence less dense.) For example, in sea water, first determine the volume of the submerged portion of the hull as follows: Multiply its length by its breadth and the draft, all in feet. Then multiply the product thereby obtained by the block coefficient of the hull to get the hull volume in cubic feet. Then multiply this figure by 64 (the weight of one cubic foot of seawater) to get the weight of the ship in pounds; or divide by 35 to calculate the weight in long tons. Using the SI or metric system : displacement (in tonnes) is volume (in m3) multiplied by the specific gravity of sea water (1.025 nominally).

The word "displacement" arises from the basic physical law, discovered by Archimedes, that the weight of a floating object equates exactly to that of the water which would otherwise occupy the "hole in the water" displaced by the ship.

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ORIGINAL: Mziln


I have been looking into the Hungarians

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Will you be outdone by a pesky ice-cold half-socialist country? Tsk tsk

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Just been looking through Janes for details on the french navy
Do you need the details of the Hungarian navy

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Just been looking through Janes for details on the french navy
Do you need the details of the Hungarian navy

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ORIGINAL: capitan

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ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Um, weren't para's (say a div or smaller unit) used against Eban Emael, the Belgian fortress in the open shots of 1940? I really don't remember Crete being the first use of them. Naybe Crete should be the first "large scale use" of German paras.

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Jason

Good point. This will be corrected. I believe that it was way smaller than a division that overtook Eban Emael though. I will check out the details.

EDIT: "10 May 1940, 85 paratroopers of the 1st Fallschirmjäger Division landed in the fortress with gliders" http://www.answers.com/topic/fort-eben-emael

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ORIGINAL: CBoehm

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ORIGINAL: capitan

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ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Um, weren't para's (say a div or smaller unit) used against Eban Emael, the Belgian fortress in the open shots of 1940? I really don't remember Crete being the first use of them. Naybe Crete should be the first "large scale use" of German paras.

Thanks,
Jason

Good point. This will be corrected. I believe that it was way smaller than a division that overtook Eban Emael though. I will check out the details.

EDIT: "10 May 1940, 85 paratroopers of the 1st Fallschirmjäger Division landed in the fortress with gliders" http://www.answers.com/topic/fort-eben-emael

I believe that the first paradrop during wartime took place on april 9th 1940 05:05 as part of the invasion of denmark when 80 paratropers command by hauptmann Walter Gerickewere transported by 12 JU52 secured the Madsnedoefort (Madsned-islands-fortress) whose 120mm guns overlooked the Storstoems-bridge linking Sealand to the island of Falster south of it. - as it happens the fortress had been decomissioned and the garrison consisted of 2 recruits and a civilian armed with a machinegun but no ammunition..., so there were no shots fired. - However just as the danish surrender order came a scratch force had been assembled to try to retake it ...

LINK to homepage of Madsnedoe-fortress

Claus

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ORIGINAL: fallgelb

The German Paratroopers and Air Landing units were used in three major operations:
1. Units (not over battallion size) of the "Fallschirmjäger Division" in JU52 were Paradropped on airfields in northern denmark, near Oslo and as i remember Stavanger to secure airfields.
2. The "Fallschirmjäger Division" and the 22nd Airlanding Division ("Luftlandedivision, actual an infantry division without heavy weapons, without an artillery regiment and i think with a fourth infantry regiment) were paradropped and landed with gliders on airfields in the netherlands (Rotterdam, Den Haag). In terms of "number of air landed soldiers" a larger operation than the landing on crete. The operation was "one airfield too far" and the troops near Den Haag suffered extrme losses.
3. In the air landing on crete participated the Fallschirmjägerdivision and one or two mountain divisions ás air landing units and in barges.

The Operation to paradropp on malta never occur, because of the extreme lcasualities on crete (as i remember higher than 30%) with the true Private Ryan story among a german Paratrooper "Family".

The 22nd Air Landing Division (from the durch campaign) was reorganized and reequipped as normal infantry Division for Barbarossa and fought in the crimea (as i remember).

In the late war the german Paratroopers were used as light elite infantry units for difficult terrain (like Monte Cassino). Due to Hermann Görings ambitions a paratrooper army was founded in the western theater (about 1944).

Michael

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Yes, there is one, why this question ?

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ORIGINAL: mldtchdog

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Yes, there is one, why this question ?

I'm starting to work on the USA units. I couldn't remember how many Philippines there were. I was thinking that there were two.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
You were probably thinking of MacArthur.

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ORIGINAL: capitan
Commonwealth countries:
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Indo-China 0/1

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I was looking at the territorials (CW and French mainly) and thought that perhaps one way of doing a writeup for each of them and keep it interesting would be to give a short background on the country: people/population, military prowess, the year colonized, etc.. A flavor of the country might be of interest, especially if the territorial unit did nothing during the war other than stay at home and guard the border.