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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 12:48:15 AM   
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I worked on the AI, so if you like it -- please let me know. Otherwise, you can keep your comment private.

Deride


So you only want good news? I've been wanting to buy TSJC for some time. It's a shame this series is finished though.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 1:00:27 AM   
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So, have downloaded and played Tin Soldiers:JC yet? Hope that you enjoy it -- I know we really enjoyed developing it.

I worked on the AI, so if you like it -- please let me know. Otherwise, you can keep your comment private.

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I'm really enjoying Tin Soldiers:JC though getting pasted at the moment.......I think you have done a really good job. I like the format very much just disappointed that having just discovered it, I find out there wont be anymore, Napoleonics would have been sweet to see.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 1:17:06 AM   
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I didn't say I didn't like the Total War series, I said RTW was crap and it is. Didn't you see my thread on M2TW I had up here recently? I don't mind a clickfest as much if there is no micromanagement in building things in real time and moving units all over gawds creation like 99.9% of rts games. See, I'm the type if/when I do play an rts game or some pauseable continous time games I will NOT use PAUSE ever (I feel it is cheating the ai to use pause in real time games of any type). If the game doesn't have a setting that can slow time down to a crawl without me having to press pause every 5 seconds then it's just another kiddy clickfest game and leave it at that, don't try to sugar coat what it already is, a real time clickfest (kids or no kids lol).

I play several real time games that don't have severe micro management and/or have a turn based system; strategic and then real time combat. Take Command has an excellent game engine that uses real time I can deal with. Excellent game imho. The speed of combat and death is at near the perfect settings. The Total War series except for the gawd awful RTW are pretty fair in the speed of combat and death speed. Kohan series has a very good strategic game in real time and an easy and simple enough real time combat that isn't tedious and kiddy clickfest frantic. Sacrifice also is a game with near perfect speed of combat and no micro management whatsoever really. Last, but, not least The Seven Kingdoms is another game that did rts right. Simple strategic micromanagement and a very good combat speed and death speed. It is when RTS/PCT games reach that point of moving faster than I can think that they become kiddy clickfests as I have stated for several. All RTS/PCT games should have speed controls that do not require you to use pause because the speed it just too damn fast. That is not real time when the speed of the game is faster than you can think. It's beyond real time and runs into the ranks of faster than the speed of light or sound. lol

My opinion is if a game needs a pause feature or pause is required to keep up then it should have been a turn based game in the first place. That will always be my stand on real time/pauseable continuous time games. When the movement is faster than I can think or want to think then it is a kiddy clickfest and nothing less. Paradox games as much as I really despise Paradox have time slowing features that make any of their games playable for me. That very slow setting is just perfect and I don't cheat the AI because it is still playing in this speed setting. I do not have to pause any Paradox games and I won't ever, because they are intended to be played in some time frame, not paused, though you can pause it, but, then you are just cheating the ai and yourself when you do. I prefer turn based or wego, but, I'm not adverse to ALL RTS kiddy clickfest games, just the ones I feel are totally kiddy clickfest and will always be and nothing less.

Once again I'm a big fan of the Total War series as a whole, just not RTW, figures too the one game I wanted to be so great and challenging like the others and it's total crap wars. Nothing can fix the ai issues or strategic ai or diplomatic ai of RTW, no mods can do anything with the interior of the game code that needs adjusting. I found one way and one way only to make RTW fun and that was by shutting down morale which makes the game lose all realism, but, definitely makes for a more challenging game if you play with large or huge army settings and making the population increases most important to survive. Doesn't change the stupidity of the battle ai, but, does make them last a lot longer on the battlefield before they run.

As far as games I recommend, you can bet they will be fun, challenging and have an ai above the normal average of what you get 95% of the time. I don't sugarcoat any game though. If it has issues I'll sure let everyone know and most people here know I will (though they always give me a hard time about it lol). The Tin Soldiers:Caesar is a good game from Matrixgames. I'm only saddened that Koios went the WWII route so quickly. I was hoping for more from the Tin Soldiers series in the ancient period of time. I didn't get Alexander, but, I intend to this "christmas season at Matrixgames" hehe I'm into Medieval and Ancients right now, both in gaming and historical value. I was glued to HBO's mini series of ROME. ;) Waiting on 300 to hit bargain bin pricing hehe.


I read a reply to you somewhere and that person said you did not like the M2TW game. I have not seen your thread on M2TW yet. I also was thinking (wrong I admit) that when you said RTW that it meant "Real Time War" and not "Rome: Total War." These abbreviations can get tricky. I goofed up!

I bet I can name one of the biggest and most advertised clickfest game on the market... "Supreme Commander." My wife bought that for me and it has an excellent feature that changes the speed from -10 to +10. Very stable at all speeds too, however the micromanagement is horrendous! The real time aspect is not my favorite but like you said, if it can be slowed down then that is good. I tend to use the pause feature if it lets me snoop around. I like to enjoy the visual aspects too. Check out features and buttons, tooltips, etc. and when the game is whizzing by it's hard to see them.

I try not to sugar coat games either but I get tired of people treating a bad game review like their mother got raped. To take it that personal is pretty childish. It's not like they were found fault with.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 7:18:13 AM   
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Here's my M2TW reveiw and semi aar Larry. [url= M2TW thread

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 8:46:06 AM   
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I worked on the AI, so if you like it -- please let me know. Otherwise, you can keep your comment private.


So you only want good news? I've been wanting to buy TSJC for some time. It's a shame this series is finished though.


Yeah, I was trying to be a bit sarcastic -- probably should have put my own

As far as the series being over -- yeah, unfortunately it had to be that way. I'm sure you can venture a guess as to why.

Deride

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 11:46:55 AM   
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Re Ravinhood

If you like Total War medieval have you tried Knights of Honor its a neat little game of the same period.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 12:29:03 PM   
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I've just kicked off another campaign of TSJC. Quality product for sure.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 1:23:42 PM   
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Re Ravinhood

If you like Total War medieval have you tried Knights of Honor its a neat little game of the same period.


Yes, that is one of the games I got myself for me birthday. It's alright, but, it's not one of my top 16 games. ;) I will say this for it, it's battle ai is much more challenging than the total war ai. Ruthless little suks. lol

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 1:26:23 PM   
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I worked on the AI, so if you like it -- please let me know. Otherwise, you can keep your comment private.


So you only want good news? I've been wanting to buy TSJC for some time. It's a shame this series is finished though.


Yeah, I was trying to be a bit sarcastic -- probably should have put my own

As far as the series being over -- yeah, unfortunately it had to be that way. I'm sure you can venture a guess as to why.

Deride


Yes, we all know Matrixgames MADE you do it and goto that overplayed overcreated overdone overrated WW2 eastern front series of games. Can you at least do some Pacific Land Based games if you're going to stick in the WW2 era please? Cmon we are, well I am sick of Eastern Front games and I just won't buy anymore until I get some Pacific War land based games on my drive. ;)

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 1:53:16 PM   
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There were land battles in the Pacific?














Sarcasm off.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 3:09:29 PM   
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Has anyone played the Pc game War! Age of Imperalism, if so where did you get from because Eagle games no longer seems to reply. I'm waiting for EiA nd thought this may pass some time.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 3:24:17 PM   
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Has anyone played the Pc game War! Age of Imperalism, if so where did you get from because Eagle games no longer seems to reply. I'm waiting for EiA nd thought this may pass some time.


I can't give you a direct link, but, there are numerious used copies of this game that you can get thru Amazon.com Just goto Amazon and type in "Age of Imperialism and you'll find them. All under $10 I might add.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 5:59:20 PM   
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I can't give you a direct link, but, there are numerious used copies of this game that you can get thru Amazon.com Just goto Amazon and type in "Age of Imperialism and you'll find them. All under $10 I might add.


Thanks, I had been trying Amazon UK without any sucess but Amazon.com was ok. Only problem, had to pay in monopoly money

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 7:10:46 PM   
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Yes, that is one of the games I got myself for me birthday. It's alright, but, it's not one of my top 16 games. ;) I will say this for it, it's battle ai is much more challenging than the total war ai. Ruthless little suks. lol


For interests sake what are your top 16 games? and why top 16 not top 20 ??????

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 7:56:10 PM   
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Hehe I have a 16 unit case atop a 150 unit case and the 16 unit case is where I keep my top 16 games.
They are:
1: Combat Mission assorted series (all 3 of the cmx1 games) ;)
2: Crusader Kings
3: Medieval Total War (origional and now 2)
4: Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri
5: Civ IV
6: GalCiv II
7: Diablo II w/expansion
8: Warlords IV (III is in same case as well)
9: Sid Meiers Civil War series
10: Master of Magic
11: Spartan
12: Kohan II
13: Tropico
14: The Guild 1400 Gold edition
15: Battlefield 1942
16: Take Command 2nd Manassas

A note: SPWAW isn't in that list because it is not a cd, it was downloaded direct to drive longgggg time ago, but, it is also in the ranks of top 20. ;)

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 8:08:40 PM   
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Hehe I have a 16 unit case atop a 150 unit case and the 16 unit case is where I keep my top 16 games.
They are:
1: Combat Mission assorted series (all 3 of the cmx1 games) ;)
2: Crusader Kings
3: Medieval Total War (origional and now 2)
4: Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri
5: Civ IV
6: GalCiv II
7: Diablo II w/expansion
8: Warlords IV (III is in same case as well)
9: Sid Meiers Civil War series
10: Master of Magic
11: Spartan
12: Kohan II
13: Tropico
14: The Guild 1400 Gold edition
15: Battlefield 1942
16: Take Command 2nd Manassas

A note: SPWAW isn't in that list because it is not a cd, it was downloaded direct to drive longgggg time ago, but, it is also in the ranks of top 20. ;)



warlords 4 pfffffffffffff.... that was disaster, I am long time fan of warlords, 1,2,3 were great.

my list all time favorites

> 1. Civilization (MicroProse, Amiga, 1992)
> 2. Pirates! (MicroProse, C 64, 1987)
> 3. Betrayal at Krondor (Dynamix/Sierra, PC, 1994)
> 4. Neuromancer (Interplay, C64, 1989)
> 5. Crusade in Europe (MicroProse, C64, 1985)
> 6. Archon (Free Fall Associates/Electronic Arts, C64, 1983)
> 7. It Came From The Desert (Cinemaware, Amiga, 1990?) (Rocket Ranger )
> 8. Steel Empire/Cyber Empires u USA (Silicon Knights/Millenniumm/SSI(in USA),
> Amiga, 1992)
> 9. Druid (Firebird, C64, 1987)
> 10. Warlords (SSG, Amiga, 1990)
> 11. TOAW: Century of Warfare (Norm Koger/Talonsoft/Take 2, PC, 2000)
> 12. Protostar (Tsunami Media, PC, 1993)
> 13. North & South (Infogrames, Amiga, 1990)
> 14. Airborne Ranger (MicroProse, C-64, 1988)
> 15. Secret of Monkey Island (LucasArts, Amiga 1991)
> 16. Operation Stealth (Delphine Studios, Amiga, 1991)
> 17. Rise of the Dragon (Dynamix/Sierra, Amiga, 1991)
> 18. Dune (Cryo, Amiga, 1992)
> 19. Heroes of Might & Magic 3, 4, 5 (NWC/3DO, 1999)
> 20. Elite (Firebird, C64, 1987)
> 21. Jagged Alliance 2 (Sir Tech/Talon Soft, 1999)
> 22. Shufflepuck Caffe (Broderbund, 1989)
> 23. MEDIEVAL: TOTAL WAR 2 (hehe, last one to add)

> C64 Hall of Fame

> Spy vs. Spy, Blue Max, Wizard of War, Fort Apocalypse, Miner '2049er,
> Exploding Fist, Beach Head (1,2), Boulderdash, Pitfall II, Quest for Tires,
> Bruce Lee, Raid over Moscow, Yie are kung fu, Robin of the wood, Uridium,
> Ghostbusters, Green Beret, Ace, 1942, School Daze, Commando, Mikie,
> Impossible Mission, Ghost'n Goblins, The Last V8, Iwo Jima, Kane, Leader
> Board, Ace of Aces, F19 Stealth Fighter, The Three Stooges, Power at Sea,
> Gunship, The Train.
>
> Amiga Hall of Fame: Supremacy, Lords of the Rising Sun, History Line, Battle
> Isle, Vikings, Centurion, Second Front, Railroad Tycoon, Another World,
> D/Generation, Lost Dutchman Mine, James Pond 2, Sensible Soccer 1.1,
> Advantage Tenis, Knights of the Sky, M1 Tank Platoon, King of Chicago,
> Battlehawks 1942, Future Wars, Sinbad, Harpoon 2, F1 Grand Prix


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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 11:34:57 PM   
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Diablo II may have been one of the worst sequals in gaming history. It completely lost the incredible flavor of the original.

Master of Magic on the other hand was an awesome game.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/16/2007 11:54:44 PM   
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warlords 4 pfffffffffffff.... that was disaster, I am long time fan of warlords, 1,2,3 were great.


Yup another game out of the box that was pretty bad, but, the 1.04a model is quite different from the out of the box game. The AI is ruthless, quite a fair game now since the PATCHES all these flippin games require. lol I got so beatup by the AI on the upper two tiers I had to come down to I think it was Prince level to have half a decent chance until I could build up some retinues of leaders. Trust me, it's much better than it was. ;)

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Diablo II may have been one of the worst sequals in gaming history. It completely lost the incredible flavor of the original.


That may be true about the losing the flavor of the origional, but, the loot and the skills and being able to play a necro with 40+ pets was quite fun. The horadric cube was half the fun of the game creating unique items and gambling for items was fun also. The 2nd Chapter Tombs was my favorite area and I musta played that 100 times or more, I hated them little pigmy creatures in Chapter 3 though, reminded me of them things in "The Mummy Returns" near the end of the movie.


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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/17/2007 11:18:28 AM   
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Yup another game out of the box that was pretty bad, but, the 1.04a model is quite different from the out of the box game. The AI is ruthless, quite a fair game now since the PATCHES all these flippin games require. lol I got so beatup by the AI on the upper two tiers I had to come down to I think it was Prince level to have half a decent chance until I could build up some retinues of leaders. Trust me, it's much better than it was. ;)



Warlords is not just about AI. They in gact hurried the production in 6 month. Graphics is pale and bland... there is so many other things that is wrong with Warlords IV. The feel of Warlords was lost most importantly... I have played Warlords 1 on Amiga in 1990. I think. I will tell you even Heroes 4 compared with Heroes 3 was better than W4 > W3.


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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/17/2007 1:37:10 PM   
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warlords 4 pfffffffffffff.... that was disaster, I am long time fan of warlords, 1,2,3 were great.


Yup another game out of the box that was pretty bad, but, the 1.04a model is quite different from the out of the box game. The AI is ruthless, quite a fair game now since the PATCHES all these flippin games require. lol I got so beatup by the AI on the upper two tiers I had to come down to I think it was Prince level to have half a decent chance until I could build up some retinues of leaders. Trust me, it's much better than it was. ;)

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Diablo II may have been one of the worst sequals in gaming history. It completely lost the incredible flavor of the original.


That may be true about the losing the flavor of the origional, but, the loot and the skills and being able to play a necro with 40+ pets was quite fun. The horadric cube was half the fun of the game creating unique items and gambling for items was fun also. The 2nd Chapter Tombs was my favorite area and I musta played that 100 times or more, I hated them little pigmy creatures in Chapter 3 though, reminded me of them things in "The Mummy Returns" near the end of the movie.



The other big failure of D2 was it's inclusion in an entire genre of loser games that straddled the transition from 2D sprite driven graphics to 3D. Panzer General 3 is probably the king of that genre. The early introduction of photo mapped terrain background with 2D sprite characters was a grand abortion across the board.

In both PG3 and D2 the extremely low res necessary for the photo mapped terrain background to be able ot run on the computers of the day was so atrociously out of scale with the 2D sprite characters that the combination was laughable. Early 3D was so horrible compared to the richness of the 2D sprite artwork that it was a guaranteed recipe for failure.

I played and loved the Ultima series of RPGs in the 90s and jumped at the chance to immerse myself in the world of Britannia when Ultima Online came to be. I played UO for 4 years until they made the mistake of trying to force a transition to abominabal 3D graphics on their subscribers.

The transition to 3D in the computer gaming industry was rocky to say the least.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/17/2007 3:11:05 PM   
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Well there's always TROPICO. ;)

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/17/2007 4:12:34 PM   
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Well there's always TROPICO. ;)



Markshot raves about Tropico.

I have considered picking up a copy. Not sure how your reference to it relates as I am unfamiliar with it's graphics.....is it 2D artwork with sprites?

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/18/2007 4:04:47 PM   
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The time has come to buy a new game. I have Carrers at war, John Tillers Campaign series, BOA, Campaigns on the Danube, Conquest of the Agean and Crown of Glory, but I was wondering if there was any sort of concenus as to which of the Matrix games was the best, in terms of gamplay, ease of use and replayability.



Easy

War In The Pacific


WITP holds a top slot in the all time category . But I have to attempt the game is a little daunting for the fist year (1941) .

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/18/2007 8:20:26 PM   
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Well there's always TROPICO. ;)



Markshot raves about Tropico.

I have considered picking up a copy. Not sure how your reference to it relates as I am unfamiliar with it's graphics.....is it 2D artwork with sprites?


Tropico is that other game. It has elements of a Sim City with a bit of a cuban nation type of gameplay. The Dossier lets you build all kinds of leaders and you can set the game up to be what you want it to be. It has resource gathering, but, it's not frantic kiddy clickfest to play it. This is another one of those games with a speed setting that is just right to play the game. I like to play it to see how many years I can remain leader. I've had some over 260 years.

It's just so different from other rts games and sim building games. It's my favorite of them all. I can play for hours and days and not get bored. It's not easy playing the capitalist game though, playing communistic and favor russia is much easier game to play.

I like it also because you can name your citizens and if you play a "Tropico Only" game then everyone there will have been born there and will produce dynasties down the line (though I do usually have to ship in some outsiders for college professors to get things going above peasant level). Plus it's the only game I know I think outside of maybe Postal that you can kill whole families if you want to. It won't let you kill 12 year olds or under though....darnit. lol

One of my favorite parts is the elections every so many years. Toward the end you start getting less and less votes no matter what you do, then you have to resort to ballot box fixings and even that gets to a point where you barely get enough votes to win and then you have to resort to no elections at all , no democracy and that's when things get wild, you have some of your citizens become rebels, you start putting their families in jails or just executing them all, those kinds of deviate things Castro would probably do lol. But, eventually your military just turns on you and you have great coop battles and eventually you'll lose one and that's that time to start another game. ;)

I guess you could say it's 2D sprites it's not 3D I'm pretty sure. The graphics though are still fair even by todays standards although a new 3D tropico would be neat and they need to add railroad building possibilities to it. You can build an airport, but, no railroads. It gets to a point with all the trafficing of resources it could have used a railroad for the huge maps you can play on. The music is excellent also, I think I play it a lot for the music as well as the fun gameplay. I give Tropico an A- there's room for improvement, but, it's still pretty solid as it is. ;)

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/18/2007 9:45:48 PM   
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I got kinda bored of Tropico, I found that ballot rigging and such was so counterproductive as to not be worth doing.

After creating paradise with happy citizens who all loved the Leader for the umpteenth time I had enough.

Even clicking on the Rebel Yell option didnt spark things up enough for my liking...


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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/18/2007 10:52:09 PM   
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I think with Tropico it's sorta like Crusader Kings as well. Both are not games you play to "beat", but, play for the fun of what they offer. I think I might have played one scenario of Tropico before I just went into sandbox mode and made my own game. I still had Politics and Economy and all the things scenarios offered, but, more in an open game play. This is how I enjoy it so much, same with Crusader Kings, I just like building dynasties, giving them to the AI and then building up another one. When I get 15 to 20 provinces I dump it off to the AI and take a Dukedom and start again. It's fun to play CK that way, dynasty building is the fun of that game moreso than conquering the whole map.

As far as Tropico PopTop made the game to be a lifetime of beating your high score from previous games. I didn't find that as much fun as just playing in an open world of the kind it offered and playing different Dossiers and different political and economic settings and island sizes. I like islands with huge land mass and little water, lots of vegatation (for population growth) and enough hills for a good coffee business. Rum, Cigars and Coffee were always the most lucrative in all the games I played until I got a nice Vacation resort area built up and those investment bankers going. There's so much to like an enjoy if you don't play trying to beat it, but, merely to play it.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/19/2007 1:01:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


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warlords 4 pfffffffffffff.... that was disaster, I am long time fan of warlords, 1,2,3 were great.


Yup another game out of the box that was pretty bad, but, the 1.04a model is quite different from the out of the box game. The AI is ruthless, quite a fair game now since the PATCHES all these flippin games require. lol I got so beatup by the AI on the upper two tiers I had to come down to I think it was Prince level to have half a decent chance until I could build up some retinues of leaders. Trust me, it's much better than it was. ;)

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Diablo II may have been one of the worst sequals in gaming history. It completely lost the incredible flavor of the original.


That may be true about the losing the flavor of the origional, but, the loot and the skills and being able to play a necro with 40+ pets was quite fun. The horadric cube was half the fun of the game creating unique items and gambling for items was fun also. The 2nd Chapter Tombs was my favorite area and I musta played that 100 times or more, I hated them little pigmy creatures in Chapter 3 though, reminded me of them things in "The Mummy Returns" near the end of the movie.



The other big failure of D2 was it's inclusion in an entire genre of loser games that straddled the transition from 2D sprite driven graphics to 3D. Panzer General 3 is probably the king of that genre. The early introduction of photo mapped terrain background with 2D sprite characters was a grand abortion across the board.

In both PG3 and D2 the extremely low res necessary for the photo mapped terrain background to be able ot run on the computers of the day was so atrociously out of scale with the 2D sprite characters that the combination was laughable. Early 3D was so horrible compared to the richness of the 2D sprite artwork that it was a guaranteed recipe for failure.

I played and loved the Ultima series of RPGs in the 90s and jumped at the chance to immerse myself in the world of Britannia when Ultima Online came to be. I played UO for 4 years until they made the mistake of trying to force a transition to abominabal 3D graphics on their subscribers.

The transition to 3D in the computer gaming industry was rocky to say the least.


I hear ya about UO. I stayed with the 2D version and quit after 3 1/2 years when Age of Shadows changed the entire format.
My favorite Ultima game was Ultima 6. 7 and Serpent Isle were great but I never cared for Ultima 8. 9 just kept crashing on me.

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After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
Now CIV IV has me in it's evil clutches!

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/19/2007 1:02:05 AM   
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I see your a fan of Eddie Ezzard. I am also.

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/25/2007 6:23:21 AM   
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if the question is "what is th ebest matrix game", it CANT be WITP
because playing WITP is like a fulltime job

i consider myself a "grognard" but i discarded WITP after 30 minutes of trying it

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RE: Best Matrix Game - 8/25/2007 9:04:04 AM   
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if the question is "what is th ebest matrix game", it CANT be WITP
because playing WITP is like a fulltime job

i consider myself a "grognard" but i discarded WITP after 30 minutes of trying it


WiTP would be so much more playable if it's interface were revamped from the ground up, and I don't mean slapping a prettier picture over the mass of data that one has to manage.

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