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ORIGINAL: dale1066
version 0.7.71 if thats any help offhand cant think of any where else the max might be except in the oil usage window see attached

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Speaking of Optional rules this is the thread I hope :)

I've been playing around with CWif looking at posibilities for the japanese player in '39

Massive move against USSR in S/O seems viable if he's not expecting it, (confirm Japan still sets up after ussr?) and probably so even if he is IMHO Wx can be difficult maybe

What is a usual Wif soviet setup in the far east ? seems to me you either set up the good units around Chita for railing west as required but that practically gives japan four resources for practically nothing. Alternativly be prepared to see them and the eastern reserves destroyed by japanese land/naval power.

China gets let of, but if it goes well not for long, after all China is not renowned for its offensive capability still i would not leave any fleet in canton that would be embarrasing if they got lucky.

Any way to the point I've been trying to find the rule for the enforcing of peace between USSR and Japan, I thought it was an optional rule dependant on capturing V'v'k and/or surrounding hexes and indeed its marked as such in CWif tho' Not Yet Implemented (NYI) I've been through the PDF of the rules for CWif and can't find it Is it still a valid option or has it been superseded. If not will it be included in MWif?

I suppose this could be on the Soviet/Japanese startegy threads? or is it already I've looked but couldn't find much

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Cheers

Found that hmmm interesting Peace is dependant on the soviets even tho they might be losing wanting peace thought it was the otherway around I guess the ability to do land moves is good but is it worth those resources to Japan?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
It will probaly be easiest if you simply list which settings you recommend changing, rather than listing them all again with new values - which would make it difficult for me (and others) to figure out what you think should be changed.

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

With regard to the optional rules is it worth (has it been done in CWif already ? if so apols) indicationg if the rule tends to favour the axis, allied or neither side ? IIRC in the rules/ Game Design notes originally there was this information and it helps make a more balenced game when the experience/skills of the players are taken into account.

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

So Christopher, did you include fractional odds at all? I thought they helped prevent gameyness and if the computer is doing all the work...

Did we finally thrash out the groupings of options that were pro-Axis, pro-Allied and neutral? Players could further refine their optional rules in light of these.

Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I find most optionals to be pro-attacker or pro-defender; since each side roughly spends half the game attacking or defending a lot of them balance out across the whole game, but that's just my opinion; many folks have definite ideas on which are pro-Axis or Allied.


One of my favorite innovations in WiF has been fractional odds, so I'll repeat myself here: I'm not sure if it was invented in the WiF community but it is a great way to play wargames. I'll probably never go back to playing without it. You are rewarded for throwing in whatever you can into an important attack; the days of time-consumingly and quite unrealistically re-arranging your entire army to get just enough factors to make the next odds level are over. In WiF it wipes out a lot of extraneous fighter-bomber missions for that one or two extra points. It also improves most anyone's play as they realize the implications, resulting in faster play and more focus on the big picture that the designer is trying to paint for you. There is some resistance to the idea; some people only want to use it to go to half-odds levels like 3.5:1 in conjunction with the 2d10 and you are back to factor counting; others want to throw out all rounding of anything and just keep adding up factors and die roll modifiers with no rounding at all and let the calculator generate the final plus on the 3d10, which I kind of like to eliminate a bit of cheese, slow down the attacker a little bit and try and lower the land unit density, which can get a bit ridiculously high late in a game of WiF, but not rounding things is hard to recall after playing WiF for a long time. The third die in a fractional odds + 2d10 also makes for great wargaming tragedy and comedy ... if it wasn't for that darn 1 on the fractional I would've stayed at a 13 - / - result, now I am at 'Magic' 14. ARRRRGHHHHH! The flip side comes when you take Gibraltar via the third die getting the result up to the coveted "S" result. Try it, you'll like it.

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I find most optionals to be pro-attacker or pro-defender; since each side roughly spends half the game attacking or defending a lot of them balance out across the whole game, but that's just my opinion; many folks have definite ideas on which are pro-Axis or Allied.


One of my favorite innovations in WiF has been fractional odds, so I'll repeat myself here: I'm not sure if it was invented in the WiF community but it is a great way to play wargames. I'll probably never go back to playing without it. You are rewarded for throwing in whatever you can into an important attack; the days of time-consumingly and quite unrealistically re-arranging your entire army to get just enough factors to make the next odds level are over. In WiF it wipes out a lot of extraneous fighter-bomber missions for that one or two extra points. It also improves most anyone's play as they realize the implications, resulting in faster play and more focus on the big picture that the designer is trying to paint for you. There is some resistance to the idea; some people only want to use it to go to half-odds levels like 3.5:1 in conjunction with the 2d10 and you are back to factor counting; others want to throw out all rounding of anything and just keep adding up factors and die roll modifiers with no rounding at all and let the calculator generate the final plus on the 3d10, which I kind of like to eliminate a bit of cheese, slow down the attacker a little bit and try and lower the land unit density, which can get a bit ridiculously high late in a game of WiF, but not rounding things is hard to recall after playing WiF for a long time. The third die in a fractional odds + 2d10 also makes for great wargaming tragedy and comedy ... if it wasn't for that darn 1 on the fractional I would've stayed at a 13 - / - result, now I am at 'Magic' 14. ARRRRGHHHHH! The flip side comes when you take Gibraltar via the third die getting the result up to the coveted "S" result. Try it, you'll like it.

Fair comment, you are quite evangelical! I feel myself becoming converted.

I am still interested to see how this side the game is covered in Mwif- my expectation was that the dice rolling was pretty much "invisible" and the results just get churned out- the players wouldnt need to worry about combat tables etc. Or maybe not?

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

there is already plenty of statistical info on the outcomes of the 2d10 table available. I never read that stuff myself but I would like to know the final odds, or 'plus' on the 2d10 and the fractional before making the irrevocable attack decision and I always figured that would be visible to the player.