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Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/5/2007 7:40:17 PM   
kk68

 

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Status: offline 		Playing as Allies, how do you move American airforce to the UK? America has just entered the war, but I don't see how to move the fighters to defend the UK. Has anyone succeeded?
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/5/2007 7:43:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		you ship them, just like a land unit, if the air unit is next to a port click the button and they are loaded onto transports. Don't forget to provide a escort, you don't want to lose those precious planes.

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/7/2007 4:36:10 AM   
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/7/2007 4:56:03 AM   
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/8/2007 8:12:34 PM   
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the aeroplanes did, but most of the men were in support roles, and took ship.


Good point. Which makes it more realistic at the strategic level to ship via ship vs. air.

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/8/2007 11:42:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah you ship the aircraft to Europe, what I find unrealistic is that you can unload them in a coastal hex like if they ere amphibiously landing. Aircraft should only be allowed to unload in port hexes.
I think I stated this comment somewhere else, and really hope developers correct this little glitch

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 2:03:23 AM   
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the aeroplanes did, but most of the men were in support roles, and took ship.


True for straight transport, but by mid-war the Allies were able to provide land based air cover accross the Atlantic in support of convoys. Therefore the abilty to use operational bomber type air units is not portrayed accurately.

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 7:03:18 AM   
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 9:22:33 AM   
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 2:21:36 PM   
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Which is nothing to do with what we're actually discussing.....how US airforces got to England. 




I'm thinking the operational range of heavy bomber units has everything to do with transport range!

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 2:30:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Major Victory


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Which is nothing to do with what we're actually discussing.....how US airforces got to England.




I'm thinking the operational range of heavy bomber units has everything to do with transport range!




not really, since the ones that were patrolling for the convoys were not based where the ones that were transporting across and they did not make a one hop jump and show up in England

and as has been said, you may get the planes and most of the flight crews across, you did not get the people who kept the unit in the air

also, what is the scale of the Air Unit ? (a Corps does not really translate into Air Groups) so, a Bomb Group is really way to small for what we are saying a Unit in the game is, a Air Div or a Air Wing may also be too small (though I would think a Air Force is too big)

either way, that is a lot of troops needed to support those planes, to say they could just all show up when the planes come across

(of course, depends on how much detail you want to have)



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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 2:33:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Major Victory


quote:

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Which is nothing to do with what we're actually discussing.....how US airforces got to England.




I'm thinking the operational range of heavy bomber units has everything to do with transport range!



and again, what does Operational range have to do with Transport range ?

Transport or Ferry range is one way, and depending on the plane, can be done with Ferry tanks, which you would never use Operationaly

none of the planes used for Patrolling could fly all the way across (maybe some of the flying boats)



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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/9/2007 9:57:11 PM   
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please continue ....
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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 12:21:53 AM   
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well SMWank, guess we should start a new thread on every issue?


huh? what prompted this?

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 12:32:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the Brits were thinking of evacuating the royal Family at short notice in 1940 they had a FW-200 Condor on standby to do it - it was a Danish civil one that had been interned when Denmark was invaded.  sunderlands didnt' ahve enough range to get straight over the Atlantic (they had ~1700 miles IIRC) but the Condor did (~2100 miles)

Certainly the planes were flown over - via Greenland and Iceland - there's a bunch of P-38's and a B-17 recently dug out of hte Greenland Ice where they landed - http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/lost_squadron/lost_squadron.html - planes didn't have to be long range bombers to use this route.

A map of routes is at - http://www.junobeach.org/images/english/flash/airferry.html.  

Moderately ranged a/c such as the Hudson could make this if loaded up with fuel, but it was risky - initially there would only be 1 navigator for each group of Hudsons, and no spare crew - just the pilots.  So all other crew had to take ship regardless.  They soon learned that 1 navigator was required for each aircraft tho, since there weer always a/c getting lost from the group. http://www.junobeach.org/e/4/can-tac-air-fer-e.htm

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 3:59:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		#Certainly the planes were flown over - via Greenland and Iceland - there's a bunch of P-38's and a B-17 recently dug out of hte Greenland Ice where they landed - http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/lost_squadron/lost_squadron.html - planes didn't have to be long range bombers to use this route#

Thats my point! does the game accuritly portray this ability?

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 4:10:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it does - the US can allocate replacements, reinforcements and upgrades to it's airforces anywhere on the map (in supply of course) without having to "move them there".

It does not allow you to move airforces like that tho, because that is not how airforces move - individual planes can, but for an airforce you need administrators, mechanics, air gunners, and a lot of other people who have to get there by ship.

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 6:58:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only other option would be to just operate them across, like rail movement. It might make sense, but it would be grossly overpowered.

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RE: Moving airforce across the Atlantic? - 9/10/2007 10:47:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The game could allow ferrying of late war high tech bombers if Iceland was made playable and the tip of Greenland was added. Bombers with long range could then fly USA - Labrador - Greenland - Iceland - Scotland. Four turns transit at a cost of oil points. However as all the support units etc had to go by sea it is probably easier to leave it as it is.

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