ChezDaJez
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Then why do you come off like a fourteen year old kid?
Maybe it's because I'm having to deal with a group 3-year olds who think they are all that. Maybe you should go back and look at the postings on this thread again. If my question "Of course, you wouldn't know anything about how the game really works, would you?" to mdiehl hit a raw nerve, that's too bad. I would think a Steakhouse Moron would have a thicker skin.
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In case you haven't noticed, there's some people here who are of the opinion that american aviators were a bunch of bums flying pieces of junk, and were really no match for the mighty Imperial Japanese Navy. Having been around quite a while now, I find this to be a common attitude among certain left leaning european college boys. Their overall attitude can be summed up as "the Americans sucked and their equipment was trash, and they only won because they cheated by producing more of their inferior equipment than the more deserving axis powers did'
Would you care to highlight the exact passages where any one has claimed that USN pilots were crap? Those are your words. Show me just one posting, especially one where I said it, if you have the balls. You seem to think that my belief that the prewar IJN flight training program was superior to to the USN prewar flight training program is the same as calling USN pilots crap. That is your spinning and twisting people's words... something mdiehl, and now you, are masters at. I actually believe that the IJN and USN training programs ranked 1 and 2 in the world at the time. Again find a posting where I said USN pilots were crap or poorly trained. Indeed if anyone is calling anythng or anyone "crap", its you guys in reference to everything Japanese.
You seem to think that because I say the Zero was more maneuverable and a better dogfighter than the Wildcat then the Wildcat must be a piece of crap. The Wildcat had some distinct advantages such as the ability to absorb punishment and roll at high speeds but its greatest advantage wasn't even a part of the aircraft. In virtually every battle the Wildcat fought in, it was radar that allowed it to gain a position from which to attack. Without radar, its performance did not allow it to gain an advantageous position. If you have any specifics to the contrary, I would like to hear them. And the truth of the matter is that it was the USN pilots who had to discard their prewar tactical training and adopt tactics, often on the fly, to combat the Zero, not the other way around.
I don't mind when people disagree with me. Indeed I often learn from people who disagree as a different set of eyeballs sometimes provides a different viewpoint and often uncovers something I have missed. In those cases, I am more the willing to accept the mea culpa and get on with my life. The problem with you two is that there is no room for anyone who might not tow your party line. You resort to name calling and demean the person... you know, that ad hominem thing that mdiehl is so fond of quoting and so good at.
I have no idea how much experience with WitP you have or whether you currently play it. And I have no idea as to what credentials you have to claim to be an amateur historian. If you have any substantial experience with the game in its latest incarnations, then your input would probably be appreciated on this board.
You see, most of the discussions conducted on this board are conducted civilly. If you are a regular poster, you will see that most disagreements do not result in the type of posting that you and your kind bring. We normally don't resort to name calling such as "left leaning european college boys" or "chickenshit." Now, I will admit that I can get downright sarcastic with outsiders who profess to be expert in the game mechanics. Its only when people like yourself come in claiming to be all-knowing and god-like that things tend to degenerate. Now I do recall saying, "Only a moron would argue that experience doesn't matter" in response to an mdiehl posting. That's normally as close to name calling as I tend to get unless sufficiently provoked. Then my Navy Chief training comes out. Maybe if you and mdiehl offered some constructive comments, you wouldn't get trashed on.
You blast in here touting your military experience (yet don't define just what that experience was) and with your version of military history and you expect everyone to just line up and follow your lead. Well, it don't happen that way, buddy.
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I recall being called a "racist" by a certain Ursa Major when I dared to suggest the Germans were not the most innovative and a successful producers of military hardware in aller zeit. I've also been called everything but a good dog for my racist endorsements of obviously inferior American infantry weapons such as the M-1 and the BAR. "Everybody knows" the sturmgewehr and the MG-42 were vastly superior firearms; the Russians won world war II all by themselves; the American army in Europe only faced third rate "stomach battalions" while it was the British who heroically defeated the elite SS, and so on ad nauseum.
I have rarely seen that kind of posting on this forum. Obviously you must be talking of other forums as there have been few discussions regarding German equipment here with the possible exception of the Bismarck and the old Sherman vs Panzer debate. And in none of those do I recall the conversation becoming uncivil. On those few occasions where someone has chosen to denigrate various nationalities or races, I have been one of the first to call them on it. This isn't the Steakhouse, afterall.
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This sort of thing is the usual level of the discussion around here, and one of the reasons M'Deihl has been ostracised by some of the more "enlightened". And while myself and M'deihl most certainly don't agree on everything, he is infinitely more knowlegable on the subject of aviation history than most.
Hardly ostracised. Debated and proven incorrect on many occasions, yes. If that's ostracism, then I've learned a new definition for the word.
His "expertise" remains to be proven. I see that even posters on the Steakhouse forum disagree with him. He seldom, if ever, backs up his assertions with references. Indeed he keeps telling us that he is going to provide us a compilation of combat losses for the early war Pacific Campaigns. Maybe I missed it, but could you point to where those compilations are? Enquiring minds want to know. The way to get me to accept his arguements is to provide the proof. Until he does that, his ramblings will never be accepted.
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Oh, I'm sorry, an expert has just weighed in on the subject:
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Zero is original... everything else is just hoax (this is old WWII rumor similar to rumor that Germans flew Japanese aircraft or that German aircraft were on board Japanese carriers
Well, that settles it then. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a "racist" The Japanese were beleived to have operated a number of Bf-109s, however and this may be the source of the 'rumor". U.S. aviators claimed a number of Bf-109s shot down over Japanese territory, though most, if not all of these were Kawasaki-Hein "Tony" fighters that resembled the messerschimdt. The real story of the Japanese Bf-109s is sketchy, and there's not much information on it.
Actually there is plenty of information on the Japanese ME-109s if one cares to read a book or two. Even the USSBS discusses it. Japan purchased 3 ME-109s for evaluation purposes. They tested them in the Home Islands where one was destroyed in a crash, another destroyed during allied bombings and the third was discovered in a cave near the testing center at Fussa still in its original crate (well, the fuselage was found.. nothing else). Japan also purchased licenses to build the Daimler Benz DB-601A engine for use on the Hein, the MG51 aircraft cannon and blueprints for several other aircraft.
So far are the only one that has used that word: racist... Typical of you to use the very tactics that you accuse others of doing.
Chez
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"Everybody knows" the sturmgewehr and the MG-42 were vastly superior firearms; the Russians won world war II all by themselves; the American army in Europe only faced third rate "stomach battalions" while it was the British who heroically defeated the elite SS, and so on ad nauseum. 
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