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Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 12:32:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never had much luck with these in the early months of the game - always getting sunk by SCTFs or AmphTF escorts - until now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/08/42

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Night Time Surface Combat at 27,67

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire ***AMMO STORAGE EXPLOSION***
CV Akagi
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
BB Mutsu
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CL Tama
CL Kiso
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranuhi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze
DD Arare
DD Kasumi
DD Oboro
DD Hayate
DD Asanagi
DD Yunagi
DD Okikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Namikaze
DD Sagi

Allied Ships
PT TM-4
PT TM-5
PT TM-6, Shell hits 62, and is sunk
PT TM-11
PT TM-15, Shell hits 7, and is sunk



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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 12:41:33 AM   
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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 12:43:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah... TM-6 should never have been able to absorb 62 shells before sinking. THEY'RE OVERPOWERED!!!

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 12:44:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yeah... TM-6 should never have been able to absorb 62 shells before sinking. THEY'RE OVERPOWERED!!!

62 spit-balls maybe, on a good day.

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 12:45:17 AM   
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Did the Kaga explode after being hit by the 12,7mm MGs?


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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/9/2007 1:11:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was the very first torpedo fired in the combat that caused the ammo explosion
(from TM-6)

Hey T I think that was a typo on your part... I think you meant TM-6 was "OVERWHELMED" not 'overpowered'
It's just not fair that the IJN ships all fired full broadsides into the poor little thing. The first shell probably sank her - the rest just pounded the flotsam into matchwood

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 5:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to abandon PT at all in my next allied game.  It causes many problem and not the least anger of IJ Player. As allied player one should have confidence to throw these pitiful things away and still win handsomely.

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 7:26:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tallyho!

I've never had much luck with these in the early months of the game - always getting sunk by SCTFs or AmphTF escorts - until now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/08/42

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Night Time Surface Combat at 27,67

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire ***AMMO STORAGE EXPLOSION***
CV Akagi
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
BB Mutsu
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CL Tama
CL Kiso
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranuhi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze
DD Arare
DD Kasumi
DD Oboro
DD Hayate
DD Asanagi
DD Yunagi
DD Okikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Namikaze
DD Sagi

Allied Ships
PT TM-4
PT TM-5
PT TM-6, Shell hits 62, and is sunk
PT TM-11
PT TM-15, Shell hits 7, and is sunk



Damn all i ever sunk with those junks was an ap and a couple of aks. very nice

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 6:12:59 PM   
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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 6:31:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yeah... TM-6 should never have been able to absorb 62 shells before sinking. THEY'RE OVERPOWERED!!!



Given the size and strength of the opposition, I think we can safely assume about 60 of these arrived simultaneously, and any three of them would have done the job. But no gun-layer wants to think that his "hit" didn't matter, so they all get counted even if 95% of them did nothing but "make the rubble bounce".

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 7:52:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc gto

i could never hit anything with mine

That seems to be the experience of about 90% of the players. The later war Allied PTs do better.

In a recent PBEM even 3 IJ MSW beat 4 PTs. The MSWs sunk 3 out of 4.

Most of the time when I see PTs score hits on warships it is because a player has massed 20 or more in a TF. When run in small groups they are easily dealt with by Japan.

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RE: Dutch Motor Torpedo Boats - 10/10/2007 8:55:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have used the to decent effect when i strike a landing task force after the bb tf has left the hex. this of course doesn't stop the landing just sinks a bunch of ak and aps after the fact.

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